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Post-Debate: Undecided Voters Pick Trump As Nate Silver Sees Electoral College Path To Victory
Friday, Sep 13, 2024 - 02:20 PM

Whatever you think of Donald Trump's performance during Monday's debate, or the fact that Kamala Harris didn't turn into a puddle of word salad before our very eyes, it didn't hurt the former president.

According to several post-debate polls, Trump not only gained swing voters, pollster Nate Silver projects that Trump will win the election.

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed of all outlets saw a 5-point delta in Trump's favor with undecideds.

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Last update: 1:45 p.m., Friday, September 13. We’ve gotten a few more post-debate polls since yesterday’s update, but not much has changed in our forecast. Kamala Harris leads by 2.1 points in our national polling average, but Donald Trump has a 61 percent chance to win the Electoral College. We’d still caution against reading too much into any of this data just yet. It takes several days to conduct a traditional poll and most of the post-debate data so far comes from online or IVR firms, which typically don’t show a lot of movement.

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Last update: 1:45 p.m., Friday, September 13. We’ve gotten a few more post-debate polls since yesterday’s update, but not much has changed in our forecast. Kamala Harris leads by 2.1 points in our national polling average, but Donald Trump has a 61 percent chance to win the Electoral College. We’d still caution against reading too much into any of this data just yet. It takes several days to conduct a traditional poll and most of the post-debate data so far comes from online or IVR firms, which typically don’t show a lot of movement.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG!!!
Trump the childhood bully!!!
Hahahaha!!!!

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

So WTF is Nate doing saying this but then putting Harris at a 59% chance to win on his election forecast page at 538?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/


Get fucked, Nate.

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So WTF is Nate doing saying this but then putting Harris at a 59% chance to win on his election forecast page at 538?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/


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Nate Silver does NOT work at 538. Silver wrote: "I publish a competing product. And I’m not a fan of the guy 538 hired to develop its new model, G. Elliott Morris." https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-i-dont-buy-538s-new-election

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OMG!!!
Trump the childhood bully!!!
Hahahaha!!!!

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Trump has been a bully all his life, but with a twist: when his designated "victim" resists him, Trump mentally falls apart. That is what happened to Trump in the debate with Harris. Trump couldn't function after his "victim" punched him in the nose. Trump is fortunate his "victim" didn't kick him in the balls and stomp on his head, which wouldn't look very lady-like or Presidential.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Kamala Harris is 5' 4" and weighs 100 lbs soaking wet. Anything she did to Trump would bounce off of him, much like anything you've ever tried sticking your limp and useless cock into.

Nothing about Harris looks Presidential. She should have tried it.



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Kamala Harris is 5' 4" and weighs 100 lbs soaking wet. Anything she did to Trump would bounce off of him, much like anything you've ever tried sticking your limp and useless cock into.

Nothing about Harris looks Presidential. She should have tried it.



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I was thinking more along the lines of "two in the heart (Trump's) and one in the head" but that seemed overkill for a debate victory.
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g43

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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It’s Good Trump Won’t Be Sentenced Until After the Election

Trump always wants to cast himself as a victim. Delaying his sentencing until after the election makes that harder.

By James Risen | September 13, 2024, 11:16 a.m.

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Put a pin in that. We'll see what James Risen thinks after Trump wins.


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The GOP Might Shut Down the Government Over a Non-Existent Problem

Trump wants Mike Johnson and Republicans to do whatever it takes to pass a bill to prevent non-citizens from voting (which is already illegal)

By Naomi LaChance | September 13, 2024

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/non-citizen-voting
-not-real-issue-trump-gop-1235101728/

Congress is heading toward a potential government shutdown, less than two months before the election, over a made-up issue.

Donald Trump and the GOP falsely assert that non-citizens voting could influence the 2024 election when study after study shows that this is not a real thing. In exchange for a spending bill that would keep the government open, some Republicans are demanding legislation to combat this nonexistent problem, and that would only serve to disenfranchise Americans.

Trump, who continues to falsely assert that he won the 2020 election, has publicly urged the GOP to move ahead with a shutdown if Democrats don’t comply with their demands. “If Republicans in the House, and Senate, don’t get absolute assurances on Election Security, THEY SHOULD, IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, GO FORWARD WITH A CONTINUING RESOLUTION ON THE BUDGET,” Trump posted on Truth Social on Tuesday.

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Climate on the Ballot

Hurricanes, droughts, sea-level rise: The future hinges on how Americans vote in November

By Thor Benson | September 13, 2024

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/climate-on-the
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When millions of Americans cast their ballots on Nov. 5, they will be nudging the world in one of two directions: a difficult climate future or one that could be catastrophic. Their vote could alter the strength of hurricanes, the intensity of droughts, the rate of sea-level rise, how much land burns, and more.

That’s because a second Trump presidency, scientists argue, would be disastrous for the climate.

At a time when the country needs to rapidly transition to renewable energy, they say, Trump’s fossil-fuel-heavy proposals would make the country more reliant on energy sources that pump noxious fumes into the atmosphere.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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This is a line meant to scare stupid 20 year old who don't know anything.

The side effect is that it scares stupid people of all ages.

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Well, I would do that, and we’re sitting down — you know, I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that — because, look, child care is child care. It’s, couldn’t, you know, there’s something, you have to have it — in this country, you have to have it.

But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to — but they’ll get used to it very quickly — and it’s not gonna stop them from doing business with us. But they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country.

Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s going to take care.

We’re gonna have — I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care.

I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, that I just told you about.

We’re gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world.

Let’s help other people, but we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about Make America Great Again. We have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation, so we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question. Thank you.

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Wow. Nobody read that post in 2 threads.

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Wow. Nobody read that post in 2 threads.

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There is one line from Trump that everybody ought to read: "I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time" - Trump

If you are one kind of person, you accept Trump when he says that. If you aren't that kind, you know something disqualifying about Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wow. Nobody read that post in 2 threads.

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There is one line from Trump that everybody ought to read: "I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time" - Trump

If you are one kind of person, you accept Trump when he says that. If you aren't that kind, you know something disqualifying about Trump.

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Democrats build momentum in Texas Senate race

new polling suggests the party is competitive in Texas, both on the presidential level and in the race between Cruz and Democratic challenger Rep. Colin Allred, fueling hopes that this could be the year the state finally trends in the party’s direction.

“Anybody that says, ‘It just doesn’t happen in Texas’ — it doesn’t happen until it does,” pollster Brett Loyd said of the possibility Allred scores an upset in the Senate race.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-build-momentum-in-te
xas-senate-race/ar-AA1qEgl1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=21782f7d7c564c4d8327d6969187761f&ei=74

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We're almost 4 years in the Biden/Harris administration and they have yet to deliver on a single campaign promise they made.

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We're almost 4 years in the Biden/Harris administration and they have yet to deliver on a single campaign promise they made.

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I remember when he ran on a platform of Unifying the country. I'm afraid to report that the exact opposite happened.

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He, of course, does have a plan for how to fix American health care, but a lot of it goes down, Kristen, to deregulating insurance markets, so that people can actually choose a plan that makes sense for them.

....We want to make sure everybody is covered, but the best way to do that is to actually promote more choice in our health-care system and not have a one-size-fits all approach that puts a lot of the same people into the same insurance pools, into the same risk pools, that actually makes it harder for people to make the right choices for their families.

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The former president has been a prolific conspiracy theorist for decades. Let’s take a tour through what Trump was thinking even before Loomer joined his entourage:

• Trump was the de facto leader of the Obama birther movement

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6ix, I suspect you would have called the Confederates the good guys (despite being traitors, murderers, and slave-owners) if only they had won the Civil War.

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History is written by the winners. Yes. Of course. If the Confederates won, all of the history books would have said that they were the good guys.

Speaking of losing... Less than 2 months before you lose.

Tick Tock

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Scientific American announced it is endorsing Harris for the 2024 election. The endorsement is only the second time the magazine has endorsed a presidential candidate in its 179-year history. The magazine previously endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
The magazine cites the vice president's plans on health, the economy and climate change as the reasons for the endorsement and also said Trump proves a threat on some of the same issues along with having a dangerous record.

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Common people, time to face reality. Trump is sick and a threat to America. He cannot be allowed to get back into the White House.

If you cannot face reality, you may be suffering from Cognitive dissonance. The state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs or attitudes. Especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change. People are averse to inconsistencies within their own minds. Don't you be.

Hey comrade signym. Just adding to the evidence of why Kamala should be president. You did want to know remember?

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Former National Security Leaders Endorse Kamala Harris for President
We, the undersigned, are former U.S. national security leaders, and we proudly endorse Vice
President Kamala Harris to be President of the United States.
Given her record of leadership on national security as Vice President, there is no question she is
the best qualified person to lead our nation as Commander in Chief. Vice President Harris would
be a strong and effective leader beginning on Day 1 as President.
When it comes to handling America’s national security, Vice President Harris requires no
on-the-job training. In fact, if elected President, she would enter that office with more significant
national security experience than the four Presidents prior to President Biden. And in today’s
global security environment, we need a strong and tested leader.
Over the past three and a half years, Vice President Harris has played an integral role in
restoring U.S. global leadership around the world, working closely with President Biden on our
nation’s most pressing challenges. She has effectively and skillfully represented our nation on
the world stage, and has been a relentless advocate for American interests, American values,
and American security and prosperity. She has met with more than 150 world leaders and
traveled to 21 countries as Vice President. She has been by the President’s side in the Oval
Office and in the Situation Room managing high-stakes international crises and advising on the
toughest decisions– from the U.S. response to Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, to the
United States’ defense of Israel when Iran attacked in April 2024, to U.S. strikes against
al-Qaeda leaders.
Vice President Harris’s record of diplomacy is outstanding. She has met with President Xi of
China and dozens of leaders throughout the Indo-Pacific as part of our efforts to strengthen
alliances and partnerships, grow our economy, and out-compete China. Across four trips to the
Indo-Pacific and representing the United States at numerous global summits, the Vice President
has strengthened alliances and partnerships in the Indo-Pacific, and in particular, Southeast
Asia, in recognition of the importance of this region to American security and prosperity. She has
met six times with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine, including in a meeting five days before
Russia invaded Ukraine in order to warn him of the imminent invasion and help Ukraine
prepare. She has traveled to NATO’s Eastern Flank and helped ensure NATO unity in the face
of Russia’s war against Ukraine. Her historic visit to Africa heralded a deepening of the
U.S.-Africa partnership and she helped reshape the nature of our relationships across the
continent. Vice President Harris has led an important expansion of the U.S. relationship with
nations in the Caribbean and Northern Central America, including through a public-private
partnership that is expanding economic opportunity in Northern Central America. As the first
woman Vice President, she has advanced the inclusion of women and girls globally. She has
also led on our diplomacy with regard to the climate crisis, space, and AI. Throughout all of this
work, she has made a strong case for continuing America’s global leadership role.
Vice President Harris also has the experience and expertise to effectively make the case to the
American people about why Donald Trump is a threat to America’s national security.
As Vice President Harris has made clear on the campaign trail, a second Trump term would
threaten our allies, embolden our adversaries, and weaken America. Contrary to the
Trump-Vance agenda, she is clear that isolation is not insulation and that a globally engaged
America is a strong America. She understands the stakes of this election for global security and
stability and she is best positioned to defeat Trump– to the benefit of America and the entire
world.
Gene P. Abel
Colonel, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Gina Abercrombie-Winstanley
Former Deputy Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Department of State
Rosalyn Adams
Former NSC Deputy Executive Secretary
Charles C. Adams, Jr.
Former Ambassador of the United States to the Republic of Finland
Terry Adirim
Former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs
Karen Aguilar
Former Acting Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Department of State
Bunmi Akinnusotu
Former Special Assistant, EPA
John G. Amaya
Former Deputy Chief of Staff, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Steven M. Anderson
Brigadier General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Wendy R. Anderson
Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Department of Defense
Negah Angha
Former Director for Multilateral Initiatives, National Security Council, The White House
James E. Archer
Former Division Commander- Army Reserve
Mark L. Asquino
Former U.S. Ambassador to Equatorial Guinea
Harriet Babbitt
Former Ambassador to the Organization of American States
Bruce D. Babcock
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Daniel B. Baer
Former Ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
Lauren Baer
Former Member of the Secretary of State's Policy Planning Staff and Senior Policy Advisor to
the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
Zoe Baird
Former Senior Counselor to the Secretary of Commerce for Technology and Economic Growth,
Biden-Harris Administration; Former Presidents Intelligence Advisory Board, Clinton Gore
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Edward L. Baker, Jr., MD, MPH
Former Assistant Surgeon General, U.S. Public Health Service, Rear Admiral (Ret.)
Michael S. Baker, MD, FACS
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Donna Barbisch
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Jamie Barnett
Rear Admiral, U.S.Navy (Ret.)
Cynthia L Barrow
Vice Chair of the Jeffco Dems Veterans Initiative
Arthur M. Bartell
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Jeremy Bash
Former Chief of Staff, Department of Defense and CIA
Kristen F. Bauer
Former Senior Foreign Service Officer
Neil Baumgardner
Former Policy Advisor, Biden-Harris Defense Working Group
William Baumgartner
Rear Admiral, U.S. Coast Guard (Ret.)
Virginia L. Bennett
Former Acting Assistant Secretary of State
Max Bergmann
Former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of State
John R. Beyrle
Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia and Bulgaria
Jack R. Binns
Ambassador (Ret.)
Robert D. Blackwill
Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning and Ambassador to India for President
George W. Bush
Perry Blatstein
Former Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council
Josh Blumenfeld
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Barbara Bodine
Former U.S. Ambassador to Yemen
Charles F. Bolden Jr.
MajGen USMC (Ret.); 12th NASA Administrator
Spencer P. Boyer
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Policy
John A. Bradley
Lieutenant General, U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
Aurelia E. Brazeal
Former Ambassador to Ethiopia, to Kenya, to The Federated States of Micronesia and Former
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia and the Pacific
Rebecca Brocato
Former Special Assistant to the President and NSC Senior Director
Rosa Brooks
Former Counselor to the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy; former Senior Advisor, U.S.
Department of State
Jillian Burger
Former Staff Officer
Susan Flood Burk
Former Special Representative of the President for Nuclear Nonproliferation
John Butler
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Louis E. Caldera
Former Secretary of the Army
Elizabeth Cameron
Former Senior Director for Global Health Security and Biodefense, National Security Council
Rosemarie Caraballo
SGM, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Robert Cardillo
Former Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
David P. Carey
Brigadier General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Former Commander, U.S. Army Legal Services Agency
Dr. Patrick Carrick, SES (Ret.)
Former Chief Scientist, Department of Homeland Security
Phillip Carter
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; Iraq veteran
Christy Jobe Carter
CIA Officer (Ret.)
Judith B. Cefkin
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Yam Ki Chan
Former Director of Global and Asia Economics at the National Security Council Staff
Ben Chang
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Sarah Charles
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Philip Chicola
Minister Counselor (Ret.)
Gabi Chojkier
Former White House Official
Joseph Cirincione
Former Member International Security Advisory Board, Department of State
Erin Clancy
Diplomat (Ret.)
James R. Clapper
Former Director of National Intelligence
Hillary R. Clinton
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Ilona Cohen
Former General Counsel, OMB; Former Associate Counsel to the President
Joseph J. Collins, PhD
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Dr. Frances Colón
Former Deputy Science Adviser to the Secretary of State
José F. Cordero
Former Assistant Surgeon General, U.S. Public Health Service
Cindy L. Courville
Former Ambassador to the African Union
Al B. Craft
Executive Intelligence Officer (Ret.)
Madelyn R. Creedon
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense and Former Principal Deputy Administrator NNSA
Marilee Cunningham
Senior Chief Intelligence Specialist, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Ivo H. Daalder
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Glyn T. Davies
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Ruth A. Davis
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Julie A. Dietrich
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Thomas E. Donilon
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Andrew S.E. Erickson
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Scott Eshom
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John L. Estrada
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Linda Etim
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Gerald M. Feierstein Former Ambassador
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Former U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan; former Chief of Staff to U.S.
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Michele Flournoy
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Jason W. Forrester
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Stephenie Foster
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John G. Fox
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Martin E.B. France
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Julia Frifield
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Gregg Frostrom
Chief Warrant Officer Four, U.S. Army (Ret.)
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Glen S. Fukushima
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Peter W Galbraith
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Bishop Garrison
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Jeffrey Gelman
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Larry Gillespie
Brigadier General (Ret.); Vietnam Veteran
Camille Stewart Gloster
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World Bank Alternate Executive Director for the United States
Rose Gottemoeller
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W. Scott Gould
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William Grant
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Gordon Gray
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George W. Bush
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Council
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Roberta Jacobson
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23rd Secretary of the Air Force
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Brigadier General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
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Shanthi Kalathil
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National Security Council
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Denis Kaufman
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Laura E. Kennedy
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Lawrence D Kerr
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68th U.S. Secretary of State
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W. Robert Kiser, MD
Rear Admiral, Medical Corp, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
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Former USAID senior official
Prem Kumar
Former Senior Director for Middle East and North Africa, National Security Council
Charles Kupchan
Former Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Daniel Kurtzer
Former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt and Israel
Dennis Laich
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Former Commander, 94th Regional Readiness Command
Brett B. Lambert
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Manufacturing and Industrial Base Policy
Tom Lamont
Former Assistant Secretary of the Army
William Lassek
Former Assistant Surgeon General
Katharine L. Laughton
Rear Admiral U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Louis Lauter
Former Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs; Former Acting Principal
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Bri Law
Special Assistant to the Cybersecurity Coordinator
Jon LeBoeuf
Former National Security Council Executive Secretary Staff Officer
Jonathan L. Lee
Former National Security Council staff, Department of Homeland Security, Department of
Defense
Suzan LeVine
Former U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein
David M Lichtman, MD
Rear Admiral U.S. Navy (Ret.), Former Commander, National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda
Samuel Lin, MD, PhD, MBA, MPA, MS
Rear Admiral & Assistant Surgeon General (Ret.), USPHS and Former Deputy Assistant
Secretary for Health, USDHHS
Carmen Lomellin
Former Ambassador to the OAS
Frank Lowenstein
Former Special Envoy for Israeli-Palestinian Negotiations
Keri Lowry
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Ray Mabus
Former Secretary of the Navy
Laura Lucas Magnuson
Former Assistant Press Secretary, National Security Council
Alan Makovsky
Former Senior Professional Staffer, House Foreign Affairs Committee
Tom Malinowski
Former Congressman and Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
Eileen A. Malloy
Former Ambassador
Tim Manning
Former FEMA Deputy Administrator, Former White House COVID Supply Coordinator
Sarah Margon
Former nominee to be Assistant Secretary, State Department, Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
Susan A. Markham
Former USAID Senior Coordinator for Gender Equality
Niels Marquardt
Former Ambassador to Cameroon, Madagascar, Equatorial Guinea and the Comoros
Carlos E. Martinez
Brigadier General, U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
Michael McClary
Ret. Senior Executive, Defense Nuclear Nonproliferation, National Nuclear Security
Administration, U.S. Department of Energy
Carl P. McCullough
Former Executive Director, DoD Policy Board on Federal Aviation
Ambassador Nancy McEldowney
Former National Security Adviser to Vice President Harris
Michael McFaul
Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia
Bridget McGovern
Former DHS Assistant Secretary
Amy McGrath
Lieutenant Colonel, USMC (Ret.), Former Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Kentucky
Ambassador Kevin J. McGuire (Ret.)
Former Ambassador to Namibia
James F. Mcilmail
Executive Director for Operations, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
Tyrik McKeiver
Former Senior Advisor, State Department
Brian P. McKeon
Former Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources
Elizabeth Davenport McKune
Former Ambassador to Qatar
Patrick S. McNamara
Senior Master Sergeant, U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
Evan S. Medeiros
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asian
Affairs, National Security Council
Joseph V. Medina
Brig Gen, USMC (Ret.)
James D. Melville, Jr.
Former Ambassador to Estonia
Danny Meza
Former Senior Advisor, U.S. Department of State
Andrew P. Miller
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Derek Mitchell
Former Ambassador to Burma (Myanmar)
Susan Moch
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William GP Monahan
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Regional Security and Security Assistance
Mark A. Montjar
Brigadier General U.S. Army (Ret.)
Edward T. Morehouse, Jr.
Former Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense
Kenneth Moritsugu
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Patrick Murphy
32nd Under Secretary of the Army
Kyle Murphy
Former Senior Advisor, Department of Commerce and U.S. International Development Finance
Corporation
Halimah Najieb-Locke
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Richard Nephew
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Dava Newman
Former NASA Deputy Administrator
Thomas Nides
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Victoria Nuland
Former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs and Ambassador to NATO
Jim Nuttall
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
David R. Oliver
Former Principal Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics
Linda B. Oliver
Deputy Director, Department of Defense Small Business Programs
Michael Ortiz
Former State Department Deputy Counterterrorism Coordinator and Senior Advisor to the
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Ted Osius
Former U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam
Charles P. Otstott
Lieutenant General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Peter Palmer
Brigadier General, U.S. Army (Ret)
Michael Pan
Former Director of Strategic Planning, National Security Council
Leon E. Panetta
Former Secretary of Defense, Former CIA Director, Former White House Chief of Staff and
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Jonathan Panikoff
Former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for the Near East
Viraj Parikh
Former Senior Advisor, National Security Council
Alex Pascal
Former National Security Council Senior Director
Mark Pekala
Former Ambassador to the Republic of Latvia
Eric Pelofsky
Former Special Assistant to President Obama for the Middle East and North Africa
Erin Pelton
Former NSC and USUN Director of Communications and Spokesperson
Kevin Perez-Allen
Hispanic Media Lead, National Security Leaders for Biden (2020)
Bud Pettigrew
Former Chair of Chairs Nebraska Democratic Party
Larry Pfeiffer
Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency; Former Senior Director, White House
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Annie Pforzheimer
Former Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
William R. Piekney
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Eric A. Pierce
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John Plumb
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Gale S. Pollock
Major General (Ret.)
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Robert L. Powell
Command Master Chief, U.S. Navy (Ret).
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Former Ambassador
Sandeep Prasanna
Former Subcommittee Director & Counsel, Subcommittee on Intelligence & Counterterrorism,
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J. Dave Price
Colonel, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Hawthorne Proctor
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Jeffrey F. Pryce
Former Counselor, Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Mike Pyle
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economics
Marilyn A. Quagliotti
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Dafna H. Rand
Former Director of Foreign Assistance, State Department
Charles Ray
Former Ambassador to Cambodia and Zimbabwe
Kedenard Madeille Raymond
Former Director of Press, National Security Council
Julia Reed
Former State Department Staff, Middle East Peace, Political Military Affairs
Stephen V. Reeves
Major General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Carlyn Reichel
Former NSC Senior Director for Speechwriting and Strategic Initiatives
Susan Reichle
Former Counselor, USAID, Senior Foreign Service
Emily Renard
Former Foreign Affairs Officer
Daniel A. Restrepo
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director, Western Hemisphere Affairs
James F Reynolds, M.D.
Brigadier General, U.S. Army (Ret)
Ben Rhodes
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Amb. Susan E. Rice
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Charles H Roadman, II, M.D.
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Kristen F. Roberson (née Pappas)
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Laura I. Rodriguez
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John C. Rogers
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Hannah Rosenthal
Former Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism
Dan K. Rosenthal
Former Assistant to the President
DJ Rosenthal
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Leslie Rowe
Ambassador (Ret.)
Joel Rubin
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Mara Rudman
Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Francisco Sanchez
Former Under Secretary of Commerce
Julia Santucci
Former Senior Advisor to the U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women’s Issues
David Saperstein
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Miriam Sapiro
Former Deputy United States Trade Representative
Andrew H. Schapiro
Former Ambassador to The Czech Republic
Donald F. Schenk
Brigadier General, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Reed Schuler
Former Managing Director for Special Presidential Envoy for Climate
Stephen A. Seche
Former Ambassador to Yemen
Theodore Sedgwick
Former Ambassador to Slovak Republic
Sharon B. Seymour
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Andrew J. Shapiro
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs
Christopher Shays
Former Member of Congress
Dana Shell Smith
Former Ambassador
Wendy R. Sherman
Former Deputy Secretary of State
Robert Sherman
Former Ambassador
Russell Shilling
Former Executive Director of STEM Initiatives, Department of Education
Mark Silverman Minister Counselor (Ret.)
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Terron Sims, II
Chair, DNC Veterans & Military Families Council
Michael E. Smith
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Kathryn L. Smith, Esq.
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Halie Soifer
CEOof the Jewish Democratic Council of America; Former National Security Advisor to Senator
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Marc Solomon
Former Security Analyst- Overseas Security Advisory Council
Alan Solomont
Former U.S. Ambassador to Spain
Stan Soloway
Former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
Steven J. Spinner
Former Advisor, Recovery Act, Department of Energy
Todd J. Squire
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
Donald C. Stanton
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Jim Steinberg
Former Deputy Secretary of State
Jonathan Stevenson
Former Director for Political-Military Affairs, Middle East and North Africa, NSC
Jacob Stokes
Former Senior Advisor to the National Security Advisor, Office of the Vice President
Brian Stone
Former Navy Mass Communications Specialist
Elan Strait
Former Director of Climate and Clean Energy, National Security Council
Gordon Sumner
Former DASD / National Director, ESGR
Bart M.J. Szewczyk
Former Member of the Policy Planning Staff at the U.S. Department of State; former Senior
Policy Advisor to U.S. Ambassador to the UN
Michael R. Taheri
Major General, U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
Francis X. Taylor
Brigadier General, U.S. Air Force (Ret.); Former Undersecretary, Office of Intelligence and
Analysis, Department of Homeland Security
Dr. Jarris Louis Taylor, Jr.
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of United States Air Force
Caroline Tess
Former Special Assistant to President Obama
Harry Thomas
Former Ambassador to Bangladesh, the Philippines and Zimbabwe
Nicole Tisdale
Former Director, National Security Council; Former Director, House Homeland Security
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Katie Tobin
Former Deputy Assistant to the President and NSC Coordinator for the Los Angeles Declaration
Jim Townsend
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Europe and NATO
Christine Turner
Former Director, National Security Council
Vin Traverso
Former Foreign Service Officer
Jonathan Treacy
Major General, U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
Denise A. Underwood
Sergeant Major, U.S. Army (Ret.)
W. Craig Vanderwagen, M.D.
Former Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, HHS
Alexander Vershbow
Former NATO Deputy Secretary General, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia and Republic of
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Toni Verstandig
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs
David Eckels Wade
Chief of Staff, U.S. State Department, Obama Administration
Jenonne Walker
Former Ambassador to the Czech Republic
George H. Walls, Jr.
Brigadier General, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.)
Steve Warnstadt
Former Deputy Director, NATO Advisory Team
Laurie A. Watkins
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William F. Wechsler
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Combatting
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Jack Weinstein
Lt Gen, U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
Gail Berry West
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force
Deborah C. Wheeling
Major General U.S. Army (Ret.)
Barry B. White
Former U.S. Ambassador to Norway
Jon A. Wiant
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence
Calvin Williams
Former Air Force Global Strike Command Chief Master Sergeant
Doug Wilson
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs
Johnnie Wilson
General U.S. Army (Ret.)
Former Army Material Command Commander
Joel S. Wit
Former State Department and Distinguished Fellow., Henry L. Stimson Center
Duane Woerth
Former Ambassador to ICAO
Jon B. Wolfsthal
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director, National Security Council for
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Lee Wolosky
Former Special Counsel to the President; former Special Envoy for Guantanamo
Robert O. Work
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense
Stephen N. Xenakis, M.D.
Brigadier General (Ret.), U.S. Army
Marie Yovanovitch
Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Armenia & Kyrgyzstan
Alan Yu
Former Department of Energy Director for Asian Affairs
Zaid A. Zaid
Former Special Assistant to President Obama and Associate White House Counsel

Alex Zerden
Former Treasury Department Financial Attache
David N. Zikusoka
Former Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense
Nicholas Zimmerman
Former Senior Advisor to the U.S. Ambassador to the UN
Ricardo Zuniga
Former Foreign Service Officer

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Scientific American announced it is endorsing Harris for the 2024 election. The endorsement is only the second time the magazine has endorsed a presidential candidate in its 179-year history. The magazine previously endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 election.
The magazine cites the vice president's plans on health, the economy and climate change as the reasons for the endorsement and also said Trump proves a threat on some of the same issues along with having a dangerous record.

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Trump has some very unscientific ideas, which he passed on to his loyalists.

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Bullshit. He's specifically said that he would put tariffs on foreign cars so high that people would buy American cars.

Meanwhile, explain to the class how giving $25,000 to buy a house doesn't instantly raise the prices of all houses by $25k like the EV tax break did to EV cars Then explain to the class how that isn't going to be paid for with taxpayer dollars, most of whom get no benefit at all from it.



Stay out of anything regarding money and numbers. You lose those arguments 100% of the time.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Bullshit. He's specifically said that he would put tariffs on foreign cars so high that people would buy American cars.

Meanwhile, explain to the class how giving $25,000 to buy a house doesn't instantly raise the prices of all houses by $25k like the EV tax break did to EV cars Then explain to the class how that isn't going to be paid for with taxpayer dollars, most of whom get no benefit at all from it.



Stay out of anything regarding money and numbers. You lose those arguments 100% of the time.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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