Elections; 2024 by THG

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Elections; 2024

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Sunday, November 17, 2024 4:44 PM

POPULAR VOTE:

76,429,164 for Trump (50.1%) / 73,736,923 votes for Harris (48.3%).

Total votes counted: 150,166,087

Trump's lead: 2,692,241

California: 7% left (Just shy of 1.1 Million votes left)
New Jersey: 5% left
Utah: 4% left
Oregon: 4% left
Washington: 3% left
Colorado: 3% left
New York: 3% left
Illinois: 2% left
Nebraska: 2% left
Mississippi: 2% left
Maryland: 2% left
Alaska: 2% left
Washington D.C.: 2% left

Compared to the 2020 election:

The 2020 results were 74,223,369 for Trump and 81,282,916 votes for Biden*

The total EXACT vote count in 2020 was 155,506,285.

The total amount of votes less in 2024 compared to 2020 is down to only 5,340,198 now.

Trump now has 2,205,795 more votes than he did in 2020.

Harris now has 7,545,993 less votes than Biden* did in 2020.

It must be another holiday in California. Looks like any of the votes counted in the last 24 hours came outside of California. That's why they've only counted about 80,000 of the remaining 1 to 1.5 Million votes since the last update.

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He is also your current President.

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Sunday, November 17, 2024 4:56 PM

MSNBC can't even get 75k people watching in prime time right now.

Time to fire Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow.

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Monday, November 18, 2024 8:02 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

‘The Penguin’ Finale And ‘The Batman’ Are Saying The Same Thing
(Trump could be a Super-Villain and his Trumptards are fooled by him)

HBO’s ‘The Penguin’ (starring Colin Farrell, Cristin Milioti and Rhenzy Feliz) is a cocktail of wealth inequality, narcissism and misplaced rage, just like ‘The Batman.’

By Dani Di Placido | Nov 12, 2024, 08:00pm EST

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2024/11/12/the-penguin-and-
the-batman-share-the-same-theme/

The Penguin follows Colin Farrell’s titular crime boss as he grows into his traditional supervillain role, climbing the greasy, blood-stained ladder of organized crime to the very top.

The Penguin is a spin-off from Matt Reeves’ The Batman, and the two explore similar themes, featuring self-serving villains who believe they are acting in the interests of the working class.

This incarnation of Batman is concerned with the question of wealth inequality, and his antagonists cloak their true motives under a veil of righteous anger.

Or, as Robert Pattinson’s Batman puts it, “vengeance.”

Spoilers Ahead for ‘The Penguin’ and ‘The Batman’

‘The Batman’ Is About Misplaced Anger

The Batman establishes Bruce Wayne as an emotionally damaged vigilante, beating up street thugs to avenge his murdered parents, a man who lives to inflict violence on those he deems deserving.

The film follows Batman as he collects clues from Paul Dano’s Riddler, a serial killer who is murdering Gotham’s corrupt, wealthy elite. This version of Batman is still young, and the Riddler (along with Zoë Kravitz’s Catwoman) give him an education on the real source of the rot that infects Gotham.

Batman comes to understand that the institutions of Gotham are hopelessly corrupt, and he has been blinded from seeing it because of his billionaire upbringing.

In fact, Batman almost misses the Riddler’s final clue, as the weapon Riddler used to murder Gotham’s mayor was a carpet tucker, a tool Batman did not recognize, as he has never worked with his hands.

Once Batman was informed of the tool’s purpose, he was able to tear up the carpet, revealing the Riddler’s plan to explode Gotham’s seawall and flood the city in a “righteous” purge.

At this point in the film, Batman’s belief system has been shattered by the revelation that the Riddler was inspired by his costumed vigilantism, and believed they were on the same team.

Batman is forced to conclude that beating the snot out of muggers was not a solution to anything—he was really doing it for himself.

The film ends with Batman understanding that he needs to help the needy people of Gotham, not just punish petty criminals.

The Riddler Is An Angry Populist

The Riddler reflects and contrasts with Batman, having grown up an orphan, just like Bruce Wayne.

Unlike Bruce, the Riddler grew up in squalor, and was radicalized by the suffering of Gotham’s orphans, knowing that the city officials were redirecting funds away from public services to fill their own pockets.

The Riddler actually had a deeper understanding of the issues plaguing Gotham, but used righteous anger to justify his sickening acts of violence.

The Riddler claims to represent the working class (and even has a streaming channel where he radicalizes other angry young men), but his goal is to flood the city in an act of environmental terrorism, condemning the citizens to injury, struggle and death.

We see the aftermath of this in The Penguin, when Vic (Rhenzy Feliz) suffers the loss of his family, as his district is flooded by the Riddler’s careless destruction.

The Riddler may have experienced the depravity of Gotham’s failing institutions, but he has no real solutions—only grand, narcissistic acts of violence.

The Penguin Is Also An Angry Populist

The Penguin has much in common with the Riddler, having come from humble beginnings, spending his life being overlooked, or outright mocked. He is disabled, and his family needs to collaborate with the mob just to make ends meet.

However, Oz Cobb (Colin Farrell) doesn’t suffer a terrible home life; his soul seems rotten from the beginning, and he understands that life in Gotham is a race to the bottom. Oz desperately craves respect, and recognizes that other people in his orbit feel similarly maligned.

Hence, the Penguin spends every single episode lying to his allies and enemies, always pretending to be on the same team, emphasizing that they are all below the boot, and need to rise up.

At one point, the Penguin even gives a rousing speech to the lowly gangs of Gotham, and sparks something of a criminal class revolution, promising to tip the scales in their favor and demolish the old power structures.

The Penguin even manages to restore the power to Crown Point, Gotham’s most desolate district, after threatening a congressman with violence—notably, Batman does not accomplish this (to be fair, the show hints that Batman is busy with other matters).

However, Oz does this to impress his mother, who he has an unsettling, Oedipal relationship with; one gets the sense that he is only angry about the wealth inequality of Gotham because he happened to be born on the wrong side of the bridge.

During the Penguin’s “man of the people,” populist phase, he is flooding the streets of Gotham with “bliss,” a powerful new drug. Hence, the Penguin is filling his pockets with profits wrought from the suffering of the working class, all while claiming to represent the downtrodden.

The end of the series sees the Penguin ascend to the elite caste of Gotham, a crime lord cosplaying as old money.

He accomplishes this by convincing the underlings of Gotham’s gangs to rise up against their masters, then brutally murders his own underling, Vic, who helped him make his way to the top.

The Riddler and the Penguin both weaponize their working class identity to fuel their narcissistic goals, all while worsening the suffering of the regular people of Gotham.

Batman begins his journey on the same path, but learns from his mistakes, having had the right intentions.

It seems likely that The Batman Part 2 will continue this theme of misplaced righteous anger, and the clash between Gotham’s corrupt elites, and everyone else.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, November 18, 2024 8:31 AM

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Originally posted by second:
‘The Penguin’ Finale And ‘The Batman’ Are Saying The Same Thing
(Trump could be a Super-Villain and his Trumptards are fooled by him)

Wow. That's deep, bruh.

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Monday, November 18, 2024 9:26 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
‘The Penguin’ Finale And ‘The Batman’ Are Saying The Same Thing
(Trump could be a Super-Villain and his Trumptards are fooled by him)

Wow. That's deep, bruh.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

I'm guessing you have been manipulated since you were a tiny boy without being aware. Somebody paints a picture ("America has never been worse than today", a paraphrase of every sentence Trump speaks) and you believe Trump speaks "Truth" because your life is a fucked up mess since the time you were a tiny boy. That is the whole story in The Penguin. The Penguin convinces his gang of criminals that things have never been worse in America than right now. What else can the gang do other than burn everything to the ground, per the Penguin's orders? It would be an improvement! The Penguin promises "I alone can fix it." Sounds like Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, November 18, 2024 9:27 AM

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Truth Social, Late Calls Take Over Economists’ Lives Under Trump

By Katia Dmitrieva | November 17, 2024 at 4:00PM EST

Trump has yet to be sworn in — that’s not until Jan. 20 — let alone announce policies and steer them through Congress. That means some economists are asking a lot of “what-ifs” but aren’t jettisoning their current forecasts just yet.

“It is critical not to get caught up in the noise and drama,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. “It is always important to focus on what policymakers do, and not necessarily on what they say. That was certainly the case in President Trump’s first term, and I suspect will be even more the case in his second.”

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/investing/2024/11/17/truth-social-late-cal
ls-take-over-economists-lives-under-trump/

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Monday, November 18, 2024 9:29 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
‘The Penguin’ Finale And ‘The Batman’ Are Saying The Same Thing
(Trump could be a Super-Villain and his Trumptards are fooled by him)

Wow. That's deep, bruh.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.
I'm guessing you have been manipulated since you were a tiny boy without being aware.

You'd know a lot about manipulating tiny boys, wouldn't you?

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Monday, November 18, 2024 9:35 AM

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You'd know a lot about manipulating tiny boys, wouldn't you?

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

I hang out with Trumptards. For them, things just don't go the better way that things go calmly, rationally, habitually for people who face life in ways that are nothing like a Trumptard's long-term quest for failure and disappointment. (That's why Trumptards smoke, drink, over-eat, over-spend, etc. It is their quest.) Specifically, Trumptards have demons living in their heads. Trump knows that very well because he is living with demons.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, November 18, 2024 10:10 AM

*yawn*

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Monday, November 18, 2024 1:18 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
*yawn*

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

6ix, you are a shithead. That's reality for your kind. That's why you act the way you do and you get crappy results. Voting for Trump is just one more shitty thing you did to ruin yourself.

No, Trump is not on the side of blue-collar workers

Oh come on:

Do we really have to play this game? Trump's appeal to the working class isn't based on the economy. It's based on cultural hot buttons and resentment of elites. Is this even controversial? I doubt that even blue-collar workers themselves would disagree.

As president, Trump will:

• Raise tariffs, which hurt the working and middle classes.

• Appoint union busters to every possible position.

• Cut taxes on corporations and the rich.

• Try to repeal Obamacare, which primarily helps the poor and working classes.

• Try to repeal the IRA and CHIPS Acts, which provide lots of blue-collar jobs.

• Fail to follow through on his promise to eliminate income tax on tips, overtime, Social Security, etc.

• Do his best to roll back regulations on workplace safety, consumer protection, and financial ripoffs.

• Appoint conservative judges who routinely favor corporations over consumers.

I'm sure I'm missing some things, but it doesn't matter. The notion that Trump is on the side of workers is laughable. What's the point of pretending?

https://jabberwocking.com/no-trump-is-not-on-the-side-of-blue-collar-w
orkers/

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Monday, November 18, 2024 1:41 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Officials from the justice department and FBI have begun consulting lawyers amid fears that they will be prosecuted when Donald Trump returns to the White House, it has been reported.

The concerns have been driven by Trump’s vows to seek “retribution” against members of a “deep state” that he claims deliberately set out to undermine him when he was president and falsely alleges was weaponised against him after he left office.

They have been intensified by the president-elect’s nomination of the rightwing former Florida congressman Matt Gaetz as attorney general, a position that would put him in charge of the justice department and America’s federal law enforcement agencies.

Gaetz – who himself underwent a two-year FBI investigation into sex-trafficking allegations that ended without charges – was chosen after reportedly telling Trump that he would “go over there and start cuttin’ fuckin’ heads”. He had previously called for “a full-court press against this WEAPONIZED government” in a social media post.

“If that means abolishing every one of the three letter agencies, from the FBI to the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] I’m ready to get going!” he continued.

A former senior justice department official who served during Trump’s first presidency said the choice of Gaetz was a mark of the incoming president’s seriousness about seeking payback against those he believed had wronged him.

“He needs to be able to control the department, which he can do through a loyal [attorney general] beholden to him,” the former official said. “[Gaetz] understands that he owes everything to Trump, who can protect Gaetz as well through his pardon power. Trump is confident that Gaetz will do whatever Trump tells him to do.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/18/trump-gaetz-justice-fb
i-retribution

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Monday, November 18, 2024 1:53 PM

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Republicans take aim at Medicaid

If Republicans are looking for spending cuts to offset their huge tax cuts, the only big pot of money plausibly open to them is Medicaid. Guess what?

President-elect Donald Trump’s economic advisers and congressional Republicans have begun preliminary discussions about making significant changes to Medicaid, food stamps and other federal safety net programs to offset the enormous cost of extending Trump’s 2017 tax cuts next year.

....House Budget Committee Chair Jodey Arrington (R-Texas) told reporters Wednesday that a “responsible and reasonable work requirement” for Medicaid benefits resembling the one that already exists for food stamps could yield about $100 billion in savings. He also said another $160 billion in reduced costs could come from checking Medicaid eligibility more than once per year.

....Republicans have long denied that they are trying to reduce benefits for low-income Americans on either Medicaid or food stamps.

"Republicans have long denied." Ha ha. That's hilarious. Of course they want to reduce Medicaid and food stamps. Poor people are not a constituency they give a shit about.

The only good news here is that Arrington is presumably talking about 10-year savings, which means his Medicaid proposals come to about $26 billion a year. That's not huge even if they go through with it. Medicaid may be the only big pot of money around, but even it's nowhere near big enough to pay for their stupendous, budget-busting tax cuts for the rich.

https://jabberwocking.com/republicans-take-aim-at-medicaid/

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Monday, November 18, 2024 6:57 PM

POPULAR VOTE:

76,479,422 for Trump (50.0%) / 73,837,136 votes for Harris (48.3%).

Total votes counted: 150,316,558

Trump's lead: 2,642,286

California: 7% left (Just shy of 1.1 Million votes left)
Oregon: 4% left
Utah: 3% left
Colorado: 3% left
New York: 3% left
Washington: 2% left
Mississippi: 2% left
Maryland: 2% left
Alaska: 2% left

Compared to the 2020 election:

The 2020 results were 74,223,369 for Trump and 81,282,916 votes for Biden*

The total EXACT vote count in 2020 was 155,506,285.

The total amount of votes less in 2024 compared to 2020 is down to only 5,189,727 now.

Trump now has 2,256,053 more votes than he did in 2020.

Harris now has 7,445,780 less votes than Biden* did in 2020.

This is two days in a row now where it look like none of the counting has come from California. Several states have finally finished counting and are now officially off the list.

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Monday, November 18, 2024 7:02 PM

House is at 220 R / 213 D now.

The pickup was the Alaska seat I said would go R. The last two are the California districts that were toss ups.

The Republican is up +1.2 with 87% counted in D13. There is still a 50/50 tie with 91% counted in D45.

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Monday, November 18, 2024 11:43 PM

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How ‘comrade’ Tulsi Gabbard became a favorite of Russia’s state media

November 18, 2024

In 2017, when she was still a Democratic member of Congress, Tulsi Gabbard traveled to Syria and met the country’s authoritarian president, Bashar al-Assad. She also accused the United States of supporting terrorists there.

The day after Vladimir V. Putin began a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Ms. Gabbard blamed the United States and NATO for provoking the war by ignoring Russia’s security concerns.

She has since suggested that the United States covertly worked with Ukraine on dangerous biological pathogens and was culpable for the bombing of the Nord Stream gas pipeline from Russia to Germany in September 2022. European prosecutors and U.S. officials say that sabotage was carried out by Ukrainian operatives.

Ms. Gabbard’s comments have earned her sharp rebukes from officials across the political spectrum in Washington, who have accused her of parroting the anti-American propaganda of the country’s adversaries. Her remarks have also made her a darling of the Kremlin’s vast state media apparatus — and, more recently, of President-elect Donald J. Trump, who this week picked her to oversee the nation’s 18 intelligence agencies and departments.

Her nomination as the director of national intelligence has raised alarms among national security officials, not only because of her lack of experience in intelligence but also because she has embraced a worldview that mirrors disinformation straight out of the Kremlin’s playbook.

No evidence has emerged that she has ever collaborated in any way with Russia’s intelligence agencies. Instead, according to analysts and former officials, Ms. Gabbard seems to simply share the Kremlin’s geopolitical views, especially when it comes to the exercise of American military power.

In Russia, the reaction to her potential appointment has been gleeful, even if Mr. Putin’s government remains wary of American policies, even under a second Trump administration.

“The C.I.A. and the F.B.I. are trembling,” Komsomolskaya Pravda, a Russian newspaper, wrote on Friday in a glowing profile of Ms. Gabbard, noting, positively, that Ukrainians consider her “an agent of the Russian state.” Rossiya-1, a state television channel, called her a Russian “comrade” in Mr. Trump’s emerging cabinet.

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2024/11/18/how-comrade-tulsi-gabbard-
became-a-favorite-of-russias-state-media/

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:29 AM

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Congratulations America. You got back with your ex who is supposed to be in prison.

Dear ‘Undecided’ and ‘Both Sides are Evil’ voters,

“I don’t do politics”
Well baby, politics is going to do you, regardless.

Voting 101: Nine people on a bus. Three vote to drive over a cliff. Two vote to go get ice cream. Four don’t bother to vote. Everyone dies.

Like it or not, you're on the bus with everyone else. Make your voice heard.

The Harm-Reduction approach means:

• It’s not always about the ice cream

• The people abstaining for moral purity reasons ("I’d only vote for a VEGAN ice cream parlor!”) are functionally equivalent to those abstaining because they are okay with either option

• The ice cream not being very good does NOT mean driving off the cliff is somehow better

https://www.tumblr.com/mckitterick/tagged/let%27s%20not%20drive%20the%
20world%20off%20a%20cliff%20mkay%3F

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:34 AM

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American voters gave Donald Trump a solid win on Election Day. But they didn’t give him a wrecking ball to destroy the country’s military and intelligence agencies.

That’s what’s so scary about Trump’s nominations of Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard as secretary of defense and director of national intelligence, respectively. Neither is remotely qualified for two of the most important management jobs in government. They’re polemicists and ideologues — wreckers, to be blunt, rather than builders. If confirmed, they would do more to doom Trump’s presidency than Democrats ever could.

Trump is a disrupter, and this latest set of nominations (including Matt Gaetz for attorney general) has shown that he hopes to overturn what he imagines as the “deep state.” Trump’s bark was worse than his bite during his first term. But now he is gathering a war cabinet for what seems to be a serious assault on the leadership of the military and the intelligence community.

Hegseth’s nomination is especially dangerous. On Fox News, he has made a career out of denouncing the senior military leaders he would direct as defense secretary. His recent book, “The War on Warriors,” includes personal attacks on Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Adm. Lisa Franchetti, chief of naval operations. He smears them, in effect, as diversity hires.

“The Left captured the military quickly, and we must reclaim it at a faster pace. We must wage a frontal assault,” Hegseth writes. He describes what he regards as the current military ethos with an imaginary call to arms, “We will not stop until trans-lesbian black females run everything!” This is crazy nonsense.

Hegseth won’t be running a Fox talk show if he’s confirmed. He will have absolute power to fire any general officer who doesn’t meet Trump’s political standards. The Wall Street Journal reports that the transition team is already drafting an executive order for a “warrior board” to recommend generals and admirals for dismissal. A Journal editorial Thursday sounded the right warning: “The military isn’t Mr. Trump’s enemy, and a purge mentality will court political trouble and demoralize the ranks.”

Loose talk about court-martialing retired Gen. Mark A. Milley, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, adds to the poisonous atmosphere. Milley is a target because he stood up to bullying from Trump and his supporters.

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2024/11/18/trumps-national-security-w
recking-crew/

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:48 AM

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The Death of American Modesty and Character

Posted on Tuesday, Nov 19, 2024 6:00AM by Mark Harvey

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2024/11/the-death-of-american-mo
desty-and-character.html

There are much better theories of how a president is chosen and many of them have to do with perceptions, the subconscious, and the zeitgeist at the time. In their book Implicit Leadership Theories: Essays and Explorations, Robert G. Lord and Ruth Kanfer argue that leaders are often chosen based on prototypes of what voters think a leader should look like. Furthermore, they say that people choose leaders based on mental shortcuts (schemas, or heuristics, to use a technical term). In choosing a candidate, it’s far easier to forego analyzing all of the complex issues of the times and make a choice based on a very simple impression or prototype of what a candidate represents.

I’ve watched too many of those silly “man-on-the-street” or vox populi interviews of why a person was going to choose Trump for president. The answers invariably include that “he’s a good businessman and he’ll run the country like a business.” The red tie, the boxy suit, and of course thirteen years on The Apprentice making great displays of firing people in a contrived boardroom offer a very nice heuristic for “good businessman.” But anyone with even a faint interest in his business accomplishments would realize that he managed to go through four bankruptcies in his New Jersey casinos alone. Somehow the failed Trump steaks, vodka, airlines, and university barely made a dent in his persona as shrewd businessman.

Another of our great generals, Dwight Eisenhower exhibited some of the same unassuming characteristics as Washington. Eisenhower grew up in the dusty cattle town of Abilene, Kansas. His journey to become Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces and saving Europe from the Nazis was unlikely, but he seemed to have remembered his modest beginnings.

Counseling Louis Mountbatten, the allied commander in southeast Asia during World War II, on how to be a good leader, Eisenhower wrote,

He must be self-effacing, quick to give credit, ready to meet the other fellow more than half way, must seek and absorb advice…take full blame for anything that goes wrong; in fact he must be quick to take the blame for anything that goes wrong whether or not it results from his mistake or from an error on the part of a subordinate.

That philosophy in today’s America might be construed as weak even though Eisenhower oversaw the greatest war effort in human history. He was revered worldwide and even before WW II ended, he was awarded Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire by the King of England. It’s easy to imagine him being smeared in today’s scummy political climate and even being cast as a communist. For Eisenhower supported the right to unionize and said, “Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice.” He also prevented men from his own party from dismantling Social Security.

The heuristic or schema of Eisenhower would be that of the quiet warrior, unsung hero, or silent sentinel. In other words, with today’s lust for self-aggrandizement, he wouldn’t stand a chance of being elected.

More at https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2024/11/the-death-of-american-mo
desty-and-character.html

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 8:20 AM

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It’s one thing to be unhappy with your lot in life, your country, and the way things are headed. And millions of Americans are truly struggling in a country with huge disparities of income. But it’s altogether irresponsible to vote for someone who is going to make your life worse just because he has the cheap facade of a businessman. Whether you have preexisting medical conditions, trouble paying for groceries, a daughter who may someday have a septic pregnancy, or a concern with that most existential threat––climate change––the policies espoused by Trump and his proposed cabinet will make your life sadder and sorrier.

During one of Adlai Stevenson’s campaigns, a woman yelled, “Every thinking person will be voting for you!” Perhaps prophesying today’s America, Stevenson replied, “That’s not enough, madam, we need a majority.”

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2024/11/the-death-of-american-mo
desty-and-character.html

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 2:32 PM

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Trump campaigned on mass deportations. Now he’s threatening to use the U.S. military to carry them out.

By Nick Turse | November 19 2024, 12:23 p.m.

https://theintercept.com/2024/11/19/trump-deportation-plan-military/

There are an estimated 13 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. A onetime mass deportation operation would cost at least $315 billion, according to a recent analysis from the American Immigration Council. A longer-term project involving arrests, processing, and deportations would cost around $968 billion over more than 10 years. The report emphasizes that this is a “highly conservative” estimate. It does not take into account the likelihood that this deportation operation of 13 million people would require the construction and staffing of detention facilities on a scale that dwarfs the current U.S. prison system, which held 1.9 million people all told in 2022 — let alone the effect of removing an estimated 5 percent of the American workforce from the country, who collectively pay over $105 billion in taxes each year.

Trump’s spokespeople did not respond to The Intercept’s request for more details on the cost of the plan or exactly how the military would be employed in the deportation process before publication.

During his first term, Trump deported about 1.5 million immigrants, according to an analysis by the Migration Policy Institute. The Biden administration is on pace to match that number.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 6:18 PM

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Trump chooses quack TV doctor to run Medicare

Not counting himself, this makes three TV hosts in Trump's cabinet (Hegseth, Duffy, Oz)

Yesterday Trump chose former MTV "Real World" host and current Fox host Sean Duffy to be his Transportation Secretary. Today it's this:

Not counting himself, this makes three TV hosts in Trump's cabinet (Hegseth, Duffy, Oz) plus a bevy of other folks with proven chops on Fox. At least Trump is consistent about what he wants.

https://jabberwocking.com/trump-chooses-quack-tv-doctor-to-run-medicar
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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 6:50 PM

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Not counting himself, this makes three TV hosts in Trump's cabinet (Hegseth, Duffy, Oz)

And if you guys had your way, this country would be run by the gals on The View.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 6:51 PM

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During his first term, Trump deported about 1.5 million immigrants, according to an analysis by the Migration Policy Institute. The Biden administration is on pace to match that number.

That only sounds impressive for the Biden/Harris administration when you neglect to mention the fact that 10 times as many illegals entered the country during their time in control than during the Trump administration.

Also, there are WAY more illegal alien invaders in the US than 13 Million right now. We're lucky if it was only 13 Million BEFORE Joe Biden* was inaugurated.

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There are an estimated 13 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. A onetime mass deportation operation would cost at least $315 billion, according to a recent analysis from the American Immigration Council. A longer-term project involving arrests, processing, and deportations would cost around $968 billion over more than 10 years. The report emphasizes that this is a “highly conservative” estimate. It does not take into account the likelihood that this deportation operation of 13 million people would require the construction and staffing of detention facilities on a scale that dwarfs the current U.S. prison system, which held 1.9 million people all told in 2022 — let alone the effect of removing an estimated 5 percent of the American workforce from the country, who collectively pay over $105 billion in taxes each year.

It doesn't need to cost anything close this. Even if it did, it will pay for itself almost immediately since we won't be funding illegals anymore.

All Trump needs to do is tell any govorners of states with sanctuary cities that ALL Federal funding to the state for every program ends immediately until they work to remove the illegals themselves. No more housing, school, food or medical care for anyone without a SS#, including their kids.

The problem takes care of itself.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:03 PM

POPULAR VOTE:

76,587,122 for Trump (50.0%) / 73,981,301 votes for Harris (48.3%).

Total votes counted: 150,568,423

Trump's lead: 2,605,821

States with votes left to count (States below 99% according to Google's map)
California: 4% left
Oregon: 4% left
Utah: 2% left
Colorado: 3% left
New York: 3% left
Washington: 2% left
Mississippi: 2% left
Maryland: 2% left

Compared to the 2020 election:

The 2020 results were 74,223,369 for Trump and 81,282,916 votes for Biden*

The total EXACT vote count in 2020 was 155,506,285.

The total amount of votes less in 2024 compared to 2020 is down to only 4,937,862 now.

Trump now has 2,363,753 more votes than he did in 2020.

Harris now has 7,301,615 less votes than Biden* did in 2020.

Finally winding down here. I'd say there's less than 1 Million votes left to count.

We're now officially less than 5 Million votes under the 2020 popular vote count. This is 1/3rd of what the YouTube idiots were claiming the week after election day.

HOUSE:

We're still at 220 R / 213 D. The only two still remaining are D13 and D45 in California and they haven't changed in several days. Both are extremely tight and around 90% counted. The Republican has a 1.2% lead in D13 and we're still tied exactly 50/50 in D45.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:27 PM

Harris literally just passed 74 million votes before writing this, with a current vote count of 74,003,503.

With Trump at 76,618,459 and only the small percentage points left to count in the states I listed in the previous post, Harris breaking 74 Million might be our last million vote barrier crossed for either side.

It's still possible that Trump cracks 77 Million, but with the bulk of the remaining uncounted votes being the 4% that California still needs to count, I'm not sure if there is another 381.5k Trump votes left to count.

ETA: Nah... On second thought I'm going to call that Trump gets more than 77 Million when it's all counted up.

That 3% in New York that remains shouldn't be neglected. A lot less votes in NY than in California, but Harris only has a 12 point lead in NY vs the roughly 21 point lead she has in California.

Assuming that Google's map is at least somewhere in the ballpark of accurate, there should be plenty of votes left to get Trump over 77 Million.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2024 8:45 PM

Anybody have any idea WTF is up with Mississippi?

Alaska finally finished their count yesterday or the day before, as did Arizona, but Mississippi has been stuck at 98% since day one. It's the only red state that hasn't finished counting.

ETA:... Not the only red state. Just remembered that Utah is stuck at 98% as well.

Wonder what's going on in both states.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2024 7:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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It doesn't need to cost anything close this. Even if it did, it will pay for itself almost immediately since we won't be funding illegals anymore.

All Trump needs to do is tell any govorners of states with sanctuary cities that ALL Federal funding to the state for every program ends immediately until they work to remove the illegals themselves. No more housing, school, food or medical care for anyone without a SS#, including their kids.

The problem takes care of itself.

Most of those illegals live in Texas and Florida, which are controlled by Republicans who will NEVER pay to capture and kill illegals. The Federal government will have to pay or it won't happen.

6ixStringJack, you are a stupid asshole to think that would work. But then, so is Trump, who is trying to get Senators to bend:

As President-elect Donald Trump rolls out his controversial Cabinet picks, he has demanded the Republican-led Senate take extended breaks to allow him to make recess appointments rather than subject his nominees to an extensive public vetting process and upper chamber approval.

Trump's demand not only tests congressional Republicans' willingness to uphold checks and balances over bending to the president-elect's wishes but, if met, would be an affront to the Constitution, which empowers the Senate to provide "advice and consent" over the president's key executive branch nominees, experts told Salon.

"It's certainly one of the biggest attempts at a power grab that we've seen. He wants not to just recess appointment, he wants to basically do an end-around around the Senate's role in advice and consent," said Josh Huder, a senior fellow of the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown University.

https://www.salon.com/2024/11/20/you-cant-just-get-rid-of-them-experts
-say-power-grab-may-already-be-doomed/

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Wednesday, November 20, 2024 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

It doesn't need to cost anything close this. Even if it did, it will pay for itself almost immediately since we won't be funding illegals anymore.

All Trump needs to do is tell any govorners of states with sanctuary cities that ALL Federal funding to the state for every program ends immediately until they work to remove the illegals themselves. No more housing, school, food or medical care for anyone without a SS#, including their kids.

The problem takes care of itself.
Most of those illegals live in Texas and Florida, which are controlled by Republicans who will NEVER pay to capture and kill illegals.

Nobody said anything about killing anybody.

They're going to get themselves killed if they fight back though.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2024 5:26 PM

POPULAR VOTE:

76,688,639 for Trump (50.0%) / 74,117,248 votes for Harris (48.3%).

Total votes counted: 150,805,887

Trump's lead: 2,571,391

States with votes left to count (States below 99% according to Google's map)
California: 4% left
Oregon: 4% left
Utah: 2% left
Colorado: 3% left
New York: 3% left
Mississippi: 2% left
Maryland: 2% left

Compared to the 2020 election:

The 2020 results were 74,223,369 for Trump and 81,282,916 votes for Biden*

The total EXACT vote count in 2020 was 155,506,285.

The total amount of votes less in 2024 compared to 2020 is down to only 4,700,398 now.

Trump now has 2,465,270 more votes than he did in 2020.

Harris now has 7,165,668 less votes than Biden* did in 2020.

Finally winding down here. I'd say there's less than 1 Million votes left to count.

We're now officially less than 5 Million votes under the 2020 popular vote count. This is 1/3rd of what the YouTube idiots were claiming the week after election day.

HOUSE:

We're still at 220 R / 213 D.

It looks like the fix might be in on D13 in California. The entire time the Republican held a lead over the Democrat and was up by 1.2 points with 90% of the vote counted. Now with 93% counted, the Republican only leads the Democrat by .2 points.

After about 5 days with no counting, it appears that counting has finally resumed in D45. Last time we checked, it was 50/50 at 90% counted. Now it's 92% counted and the Democrat is up by .2 points in D45 as well.

I'd just assume that the locals in California have successfully cheated both of these races and the final count will be 220 R / 214 D.

I know that Trump and his team are going to have their hands full, but hopefully investigating what happened in D13 and D45 in California are on the docket.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 5:47 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

It doesn't need to cost anything close this. Even if it did, it will pay for itself almost immediately since we won't be funding illegals anymore.

All Trump needs to do is tell any govorners of states with sanctuary cities that ALL Federal funding to the state for every program ends immediately until they work to remove the illegals themselves. No more housing, school, food or medical care for anyone without a SS#, including their kids.

The problem takes care of itself.
Most of those illegals live in Texas and Florida, which are controlled by Republicans who will NEVER pay to capture and kill illegals.

Nobody said anything about killing anybody.

They're going to get themselves killed if they fight back though.

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Oh, be silly, 6ix. Illegals will run and the law officers will act as if they are felons and shoot them. There will be high-speed chases and crashes. There will be concentration camps holding a million illegals as prisoners, which will mean people will die in prison riots. And when Trump loses his temper with the slow pace of deportation because of legal folderol, he will execute illegals. The invaders are escaping! The Army has to machine gun them to stop them from fleeing! Trump gives a blanket pardon to any soldier or citizen killing an illegal.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 5:47 AM

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Another Theory of the Trump Movement

By Elizabeth Bruenig | November 20, 2024, 12:48 PM ET

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/11/maga-trump-psycholog
ical-appeal/680722/

In the decade since Donald Trump began to define American politics, critics have struggled to understand his massive appeal. They have perhaps sensed by now that Trump’s support comes from someplace underneath conscious and rational political analyses. Who else but Sigmund Freud to help explain? “The past few years,” the academic and critic Merve Emre wrote in an essay for The New Yorker this past June, “have given us a Freud for the pandemic, a Freud for Ukraine and a Freud for Palestine, a Freud for transfemininity, a Freud for the far right, and a Freud for the vipers’ nest that is the twenty-first-century American university.” History has now given us another iteration: a Freud for the Trump movement.

Consensus on the causes of Trump’s sweeping electoral victory has formed around the idea that voters were responding to Democratic performance on material matters, namely inflation and immigration. But the Trump movement has never been, to my mind, strictly concerned with tangible issues; part of the allure is immaterial by nature, addressed to elemental human urges. Trump offered something special on that count from the beginning—a politics consisting not mainly of a positive vision but rather of a series of opportunities to own the libs. In this project, rational policy details aren’t a priority and are sometimes absent altogether; the point is domination of one’s enemies, a libidinal desire.

Consider the recent post-election slogan “Your body, my choice,” also engineered to upset and humiliate liberals: It’s an overt statement of sex and dominion. And Trump draws that out in people. “Disinhibition,” the New York Times writer Ezra Klein wrote recently, “is the engine of Trump’s success. It is a strength.” Trump is in touch with the impulses and desires that run counter to social norms, and he invites his audience to put aside the usual internal barriers to acting on or voicing them. This moment is an opportune one for a revival of Freud, whose work, with its signature focus on subterranean inner worlds, helps make sense of these tendencies and their implications for politics.

The temptation to psychologize one’s political opponents typically wins out after defeat, the political theorist and professor Corey Robin told me recently. (An easy claim to test: Among the surge of post-election takes is a subgenre of explanatory pieces evaluating the psyches of unexpected Trump voters—suggestions that Latinos are wedded to political strongmen, or that conservative wives cast their votes for right-wingers purely out of fear or submission.) In those periods, “Freud is mobilized to explain why the left failed—not because of institutions or specific forms of economic power or the Cold War, etc., but instead because of psychic structures that the left never really touched,” Robin said. Freud offers something more than simply assigning diagnoses to opponents: “an archaeology of the mind,” Robin told me, that aims to unearth emotions and desires that people aren’t necessarily aware of themselves.

That sort of excavation can be useful. Freud helps in forming an account of what people are drawn to in Trump—what pleasure, what gratification. Gary Greenberg, a writer and psychotherapist, argued in a 2018 Guardian essay that Trump is a figure who beckons America back to prior states of development—an indicator that the death drive is at work. Trump, Greenberg wrote, “urges us all to shake loose the surly bonds of civilized conduct: to make science irrelevant and rationality optional, to render truth obsolete, to set power free to roam the world, to lift all the core conditions written into the social contract—fealty to reason, skepticism about instincts, aspirations to justice.” Trump is, in other words, an atavist, inviting citizens to satisfy all of their hungry drives, all of their libidinous instincts: His America is a place for malign energies to express themselves in action. There’s a certain pleasure in that, perhaps, a kind of psychic relief—to lose oneself in a radical movement and to express feelings normally prohibited by society.

Today’s left-of-center would also be wise to consider what Freud might teach them about countering an appeal like Trump’s. In an essay published in Jacobin shortly before the election, the author and psychoanalyst Eric Reinhart argued that liberals have still failed to reckon with the psychological tendencies Freud identified that facilitate mass political movements like those of the president-elect. “Proponents of progressive ideals must instead take the reality of aggression, racism, and sadomasochism seriously as enduring political feelings, including in their own ranks, that require constructive political redress,” Reinhart wrote. This doesn’t mean indulging those feelings—rather, it means offering a politics built to contain them. “To craft an effective liberal or left politics, we must stop vainly demanding that people be more reasonable and own up to the persistent reality of destructive human tendencies that manifest not only around Trump but also in countless contexts throughout history,” Reinhart wrote.

More at https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/11/maga-trump-psycholog
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Thursday, November 21, 2024 6:06 AM

Yeah buddy. You just keep right on smelling your own farts and writing articles just like this one for the next 4 years.

Methinks you're getting colder.

I'll leave you two geniuses alone with your theorizing. Looks like you've still got work to do.

Perhaps you can get a collab with Allan Lichtman put together?

I'm sure all three of you shitheels combined could come up with a better theory than the gals at The View could when they're not trying to destroy local Jewish businesses that have been around for 150 years.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 6:27 AM

You are all terrible, terrible people.

And now... ever since the election.... most of you are destroying each other.

It's because none of you can stand each other any more than the half of the country that didn't vote for Kamala Harris can stand you.

Don't take my word for it...

Ask serial intern rapist and murder Joe Scarborough and his bitch wife Mika about what they did this week.

That isn't the type of behavior one would expect from two people who truly believe that Trump is Adolf Hitler and that his Presidency will be the end of Democracy, now is it?

They are pure trash, but they're smarter than your average talking-head asshole. They ran as fast as their little feet could take them straight to Trump's front doorstep with little fucking bows on their heads so they could kiss the ring.

Joe and Mika aren't sitting there fighting over bullshit non-reasons why the Democrats lost inside of the echo chamber.

They left the chamber. They went to Mar-a-Lago.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 7:16 PM

POPULAR VOTE:

76,741,825 for Trump (50.0%) / 74,207,529 votes for Harris (48.3%).

Total votes counted: 150,949,354

Trump's lead: 2,534,296

COMPARED TO THE 2020 ELECTION:

The 2020 results were 74,223,369 for Trump and 81,282,916 votes for Biden*

The total EXACT vote count in 2020 was 155,506,285.

The total amount of votes less in 2024 compared to 2020 is down to only 4,556,931 now.

Trump now has 2,518,456 more votes than he did in 2020.

Harris now has 7,075,387 less votes than Biden* did in 2020.

States with votes left to count (States below 99% according to Google's map)
California: 3% left
New York: 3% left
Oregon: 3% left
Colorado: 3% left
Maryland: 2% left
Utah: 2% left
Mississippi: 2% left

HOUSE:

We're still at 220 R / 213 D.

D13 is 98% counted and the Republican has a .2 lead. As I stated yesterday, the Republican had a 1.2 point advantage until 90%, and then at 92% the lead shrunk only to .2 point lead. In the 6% counted since yesterday, that .2 lead is still in place.

D45 is 92% counted and the Democrat has a .2 lead, which means that no votes were counted here since yesterday.

I expect both of these to be recounted. Hopefully they get investigated as well.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 7:26 PM

How do the popular vote numbers change if you take California out of the equation and it was a 49 state race?

Currently there are 14,981,489 votes counted in California.

9,080,964 for Harris, and 5,900,525 for Trump.

Total Popular Votes (Excluding California): 135,967,865

Total Trump Votes (Excluding California): 70,841,300 (52.1%)

Total Harris Votes (Excluding California): 65,126,565 (47.9%)

Trump's National Popular Vote Lead (Excluding California): 5,714,735

Yes. That is correct... Trump's national popular vote lead more than doubles if the 10% of the national electorate in California isn't included.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 9:52 PM

I see that THUGGERY stopped by to post a turkey day gif. Not sure what that is for, Canada had a turkey day last month, I think.

Anyhow, I don't see any post from him in this thread.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 10:03 PM

No. He ran away for a few weeks and refused to take his lumps or admit that he was wrong about anything.

A day or two after the election he popped up in the tag section so I knew he was okay. He's since posted several more times there and even here in the RWED in several threads.

I'm sure he'll ease his way back in here more when the Legacy Media figures out where it's going next with its programming.

It's been nice not being called a Nazi everyday in the meantime.

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Friday, November 22, 2024 1:30 PM

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It's been nice not being called a Nazi everyday in the meantime.

You are a little Nazi, but now that Fatso Hitler has been elected, Nazi optimism grows.

Republican economic optimism is skyrocketing already

The Michigan index of consumer expectations (not current consumer sentiment) is doing its usual thing in the wake of the election.

As usual, Republicans are considerably more partisan about the economy than Democrats. After Joe Biden's election their expectations dropped about 75 points while Democratic expectations rose 30 points. This time around Republican expectations are already up 27 points compared to a Democratic drop of about 16.

This is a partisan dynamic we see frequently, and I don't know why. Are Republicans just more partisan? More scared of Democrats than Democrats are of Republicans? Is it media driven? Some enterprising grad student should look into this.

https://jabberwocking.com/republican-economic-optimism-is-skyrocketing
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Friday, November 22, 2024 2:24 PM

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Donald Trump and the tyranny of the uninformed

The Democrats’ finger-pointing about why Donald Trump won the presidential election continues. Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, thinks it’s because Democrats are out of touch with the economic issues that matter to working-class Americans.

“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” he said. That’s a pretty patronizing take for someone who claims to be a champion of workers.

Sanders believes that Kamala Harris lost the election because Democrats didn’t speak to the working class with enough empathy and concern. But these voters aren’t five-year-olds who have to be cajoled into behaving themselves. When you respect people, you also hold them responsible for the choices they make.

This election wasn’t about policy. It was about fundamental principles, and voters knew exactly what they were voting for. This was a clear choice between a candidate who pledged to defend America’s founding values, democracy and the rule of law and a populist demagogue who pandered to a sense of grievance and promised to bring down the price of groceries.

It’s infantilizing to assume, as Sanders does, that the working-class voters he champions aren’t or shouldn’t be interested in things like America’s democratic traditions. America’s founders were largely self-educated farmers and tradespeople. George Washington had almost no formal education at all. The Federalist papers — there were anti-federalist papers, too — were debated by ordinary people in coffee houses, homes and public meetings. It’s often said that the working class built America, but they also helped lay its intellectual foundation.

We’ve remained true to that tradition for much of our history. The generations that fought two world wars to defend democracy would have booed a candidate like Donald Trump off the stage. They certainly would never have elected him president.

Now, things are different. Voters elected an authoritarian because they were upset about the price of eggs. That is unsustainable. If a majority of Americans are willing to trade democracy for the promise — especially the illusory promise — of a little economic security, then the American experiment is over.

Nonetheless, there may be hope. I said earlier that voters knew exactly what they were voting for. They certainly could have known if they had made a little effort to find out. But maybe they didn’t.

In a recent survey, despite two years of often-spectacular growth, 56 percent of voters believed we were in a recession. Half of voters thought the unemployment rate was at a 50-year high when, in fact, it is at a 50-year low. Half of voters thought the stock market was down for the year even though at the time of the survey it was up over 25 percent.

In other words, Americans live in two different worlds complete with different facts.

To borrow a phrase from the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), we can all live together happily in a country where everyone has their own opinions. We cannot live together in a country where everyone has their own facts.

More at https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5002590-trump-election-uninformed/

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Friday, November 22, 2024 5:27 PM

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It's been nice not being called a Nazi everyday in the meantime.
You are a little Nazi,

Oh. I meant to say it was nice not being called Nazi everyday by a human being.

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Originally posted by second:
Voters elected an authoritarian because they were upset about the price of eggs. That is unsustainable. If a majority of Americans are willing to trade democracy for the promise — especially the illusory promise — of a little economic security, then the American experiment is over.

The price of eggs was just a small part of it.

If you're not even going to bother to try and figure out why America hates Democrats, I don't know what to tell you other than don't expect to ever win another election again.

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Friday, November 22, 2024 5:36 PM

POPULAR VOTE:

76,789,621 for Trump (50.0%) / 74,273,395 votes for Harris (48.4%).

Total votes counted: 151,063,016

Trump's lead: 2,516,226

COMPARED TO THE 2020 ELECTION:

The 2020 results were 74,223,369 for Trump and 81,282,916 votes for Biden*

The total EXACT vote count in 2020 was 155,506,285.

The total amount of votes less in 2024 compared to 2020 is down to only 4,443,269 now.

Trump now has 2,566,252 more votes than he did in 2020.

Harris now has 7,009,521 less votes than Biden* did in 2020.

States with votes left to count (States below 99% according to Google's map)
New York: 3% left
Oregon: 3% left
California: 2% left
Utah: 2% left
Mississippi: 2% left

HOUSE:

We're still at 220 R / 213 D.

No movement on D13 today. Still 98% counted and a .2 lead for the Republican.

D45 is 92% counted and the Democrat still has a .2 lead.

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Friday, November 22, 2024 10:10 PM

I said this back on Tuesday night...

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Harris literally just passed 74 million votes before writing this, with a current vote count of 74,003,503.

With Trump at 76,618,459 and only the small percentage points left to count in the states I listed in the previous post, Harris breaking 74 Million might be our last million vote barrier crossed for either side.

It's still possible that Trump cracks 77 Million, but with the bulk of the remaining uncounted votes being the 4% that California still needs to count, I'm not sure if there is another 381.5k Trump votes left to count.

ETA: Nah... On second thought I'm going to call that Trump gets more than 77 Million when it's all counted up.

That 3% in New York that remains shouldn't be neglected. A lot less votes in NY than in California, but Harris only has a 12 point lead in NY vs the roughly 21 point lead she has in California.

Assuming that Google's map is at least somewhere in the ballpark of accurate, there should be plenty of votes left to get Trump over 77 Million.

Lesson Learned: Don't trust the vague counts out there until everything is counted up. I'm sure that everybody has their own way of counting these things and that's why everyone is always slightly different at any given time. Even this far out from election day.

I probably shouldn't have definitively said that Trump would cross 77 Million.

I'm not going to say that he won't for the same reason I shouldn't have said he would.

There are not a lot of votes left at all. It looks like Maryland may have finally finished counting too, because Google now shows them at 99%.

With California being at 98%, does that mean that there's still 2% to count? Or does 99% mean 100%? About 45 of the states show 99% counted right now.

That's the difference of about 151,000 votes.

If 2% is 2%, Trump gets around 115,000 more votes from California. If it's only 1%, he only gets half of that.

115k would get him to around 76,930,000.

I think at that point, 70,000 popping up from other places could probably happen.

Are there are a lot of variables, or very few variables? What does 99% really mean? Are 2 states actually still counting a small amount of votes, or are 20? Or does 99% mean they're done and the only states remaining are the ones on the above list, now minus Maryland?

It's really close.

But I'm leaning toward him not getting it.

Any 1 Million number is a psychological thing, and I don't think the Democrats are going to allow it to happen. It doesn't matter at all in the real world, but this is just how petty and sad I believe them to be.

Think about how corporations use that same psychology on us every day to make us think things are a lot cheaper than they actually are because they took a single penny off of the price before sales tax. The $799.99 refrigerator sounds a hell of a lot cheaper than the $800.00 one. Gas is $2.77 per gallon, but it's really $2.78 because we still shave off decimals of a penny at the gas station.

Why keep counting in California now outside of D13 and D45?

The historic loss for Kamala is no less historic if she gets another 200k votes under her belt. She's still 700k away from the next million dollar barrier. Hell... I don't think there's a high probability that there are enough votes left to count that would get her over the next much less impactful half-million barrier.

Just wrap it up over the weekend. Make enough counts to keep everything looking legit, but make sure Trump gets at least 50k or so less than 77 Million. Nobody could ever prove that you did it and it's so pathetic that probably nobody would even think to accuse you of purposefully not counting votes you still had left to count 3 weeks after the election.

That way people will go around saying Trump won the election 76 Million to 74 Million, instead of 77 Million to 74 Million.

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Saturday, November 23, 2024 6:28 AM

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Trump's 'C-level' Cabinet picks spark outrage

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Saturday, November 23, 2024 8:57 AM

Trump's cabinet picks are A-Tier.

What the hell would MSNBC know about it? They're being sold off by Comcast, and Comcast isn't going to let them keep the name MSNBC because they don't want it to be associated with NBC anymore.

Fuck you Ted. Where you been, loser?

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Saturday, November 23, 2024 7:33 PM

I'm not going to bother with updating vote counts tonight. They're just moving so slow it's like they're underwater.

We still don't have a clue where the last two house seats from California are going. Pretty much all of the states from yesterday still have the same percentage of uncounted votes.

Trump is still 175k short of 77 Million. Harris is 183k short of 74.5 Million.

The only notable change today is that Mississippi is only coming up 95% complete when it's been stuck at 98% for weeks, now making it the state with the most percentage of votes still left to count, even though the amount of people that make up 5% of MS is dwarfed by the remaining 2% of California.

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