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Thursday, June 5, 2025 7:36 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I will have a listen to that Aerosmith song again

You can have microtonal instruments but they are very. very different, like a guitar with new frets or some type of exotic piano dulcimer thing with notes different to Western music

another thing Western music did is put everything slightly out of tune so the mathematics of the notes would add up and be more 'in tune' when you played different notes and harmony and scales

true microtonal stuff sounds almost really alien weird exotic to alien ears or almost 'wrong' or the chords and harmony very strange, even more unique than Spanish or Jewish or Romania or Ukraine or Hungary music, there are notes in micrtone music that are truly exotic like the Indian Arab stuff. They have a truly different set of scale and harmony, in fact sometimes they sound non-harmonic even clashing according to how a Western ear would hear Microtones in Eastern, Microtones are very different jumps, they used to exist in the West but they now play an integral role in Eastern music, intervals smaller than a semitone or half-tone these would sound very alien 'exotic', and possibly a little out of tune to a Western ear, you might hear the microtone on a Sarangi, the Indian Sitar, or Asian flute, the Chinese language itself has a lot of pitch bending when speaking which may have also influenced their music instruments that spread across Asia, the Indians still keep their ancient system of 'Ragas' etc a completely separate system to analyze music outside of Western music theory

Tones & Semitones


JustinGuitar


this guy got obsessed with building a perfect newly tuned scale and did it with 'microtones'


different harmonics


MicroTone Guitars


true Microtonal Arab Indian music sounds very 'weird' to the Western ear, totally different Intervals, the West used to use Microtone but abandoned it all to put the concert and stage in perfect mathematical harmony according to Western theory

but you do have 'out there' Western guys experimenting with this microtone stuff






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Thursday, June 5, 2025 7:39 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


yeah maybe I will try listen to Aerosmith Boogie Man again but I dont think its microtone, it is however strange sounding maybe for reasons on previous page


What are microtones, and why are they not an everyday part of classical music?
https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/music-theory/what-are-microto
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We explore the history and mysteries of the ‘notes in between the notes’.

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But what about the notes in between these notes? If we hummed a ‘glissando’, or ‘slide’ between these notes, what would those notes be called?

Those are microtones. But what makes them different, and why are they not a standard part of the music we hear on a daily basis?



'They are the notes in between the notes.'

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The most useful dictionary definition of microtone that we’ve found is in the in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, which describes it as “any musical interval or difference of pitch distinctly smaller than a semitone”, going on to give examples of divisions of the octave into more than 12 parts, and musics of ancient Greece and beyond.

Microtonal music is therefore music written to include microtones as well, or instead, of standard tones and semitones.

In the glossary on his Rest Is Noise website, music critic Alex Ross defines microtonal music as “music that uses intervals smaller than the semitone, or uses a tuning system other than the equal-tempered system that has been standard in Western music for the last couple of centuries.”

They have the potential to sound like ‘out of tune’ notes to ears used to Western music, especially when heard alongside the conventional notes of the piano keyboard.



the terms

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Where does the term microtone originate?

Confusingly, quarter tone was – and still is at times – used as shorthand to refer to any note smaller than a semitone, but it’s not really specific enough.

The Irish violinist, singer, writer, and authority on Indian music, Maud MacCarthy, was one of the turn-of-the-century thinkers who needed a way to expand music vocabulary to correctly categorise the notes with tiny intervals between them heard in the music she was exposed to. In Indian classical music the word ‘shruti’ defines a microtonal note that sits outside the pitches heard in standard Western music, and in around 1912 MacCarthy landed on using the term ‘microtone’ to translate the concept into English language.

Before that, as early as 1895, Mexican composer Julián Carrillo, had used the more specific terms ‘microtone’ and ‘microtonality’ when referring to music using notes outside the standard 12-note scale.

And other composers have come up with definitions for the notes in between the notes, including the Russian composer Ivan Wyschnegradsky, who used the term ‘ultra-chromatic’ to refer to any intervals smaller than a semitone, and ‘infra-chromatic’ for intervals that are larger than a semitone.

Theorist Marek Žabka liked to use ‘subchromatic’ while American composer Ivor Darreg has opted for ‘xenharmonic’ to refer to his system of scales using notes outside the standard notes of the modern piano.


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Thursday, June 5, 2025 7:39 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


real Microtonal Intervals sound very unique

Levi McClain



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Monday, June 9, 2025 4:56 AM

JAYNEZTOWN



Why big music firms may sign AI deals: Fmr. Sony exec. explains
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/why-big-music-firms-may-120003660.html

Abba’s Bjorn Ulvaeus is using AI to write new musical
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/abbas-bjorn-ulvaeus-is-using-ai-to-write-
new-musical
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Monday, June 9, 2025 6:32 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Ancient Vibrations: The Neapolitan Minor Scale & Its Modes

https://stringsofrage.com/scales-modes/exotic-scales-modes/neapolitan-
minor-scale
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Parent Scale: F Neapolitan Minor
Mode#2: Gb Lydian #6
Mode#3: Ab Mixolydian Augmented
Mode#4: Bb Hungarian Gypsy
Mode#5: C Locrian Dominant
Mode#6: Db Ionian #2
Mode#7: E Ultralocrian bb3


"Lydian Harmonic Major"
https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/2517


very strange Neapolitan music idea with 6ths and inversion use
in the key of C major and C minor the Neapolitan sixth would be a D flat chord in its 1st inversion

popularity with 17th and 18th century composers in Naples, the Neapolitan 6th -French, German and Italian 6th chords.

Neapolitan Scales
https://pianoscales.org/neapolitan.html
The Neapolitan Scale originates from the city of Naples and opera composers during the 18th century such as Domenico Scarlatti and Domenico Cimarosa.
There are both a Minor and a Major Neapolitan Scale. The Minor Neapolitan can be seen as a Harmonic Minor with a flattened second note, whereas the Major Neapolitan can be seen as a Melodic Minor with a flattened second note. These scales are connected to the Neapolitan sixth chord, which has a flattened second.

a Major-seven but the scale is minor

E, F, G, A, B, C, D#, E

and it has a flat third but the name is Major

G, Ab, Bb, C, D, E, F#, G

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Monday, June 9, 2025 6:33 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Neopolitan Minor


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Monday, June 9, 2025 6:35 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Neopolitan Major


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Monday, June 9, 2025 6:39 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


‘Unlock’ The MINOR Modes On Bass

Luke bass video channel



however its the modes linked to Major key and natural minor scale, also known as the Aeolian mode, he doesn't talk about the exotic stuff like Melodic Minor and Harmonic Minor

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Monday, June 9, 2025 6:52 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Musical Greek Modes

http://www.sound-physics.com/Music-Physics/Musical-Scales/Greek-Modes/

Plato banned the Lydian

Locrian scale is considered unsettling



neapolitan



problem with minor

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Monday, June 9, 2025 7:12 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Geographical Chords described

"Neapolitan" Chord


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Monday, June 9, 2025 6:55 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


seems to be an Eastern Pentatonic scale but with bending of notes making it sound even more exotic

Tourists?

Hands on Experience of "Koto" - a Japanese Traditional Harp



although the Koto designs are Japanese they seem to relate to very much Chinese, Mongolian, Cantonese music culture

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Monday, June 9, 2025 7:01 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Mridangam - Tabla - Bansuri - Sitar - South Indian Wedding Performance


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Monday, June 9, 2025 7:06 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Brasileirinho - Fabio Lima


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Monday, June 9, 2025 7:08 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Scotland Dance

"Holyrood Strathspey"


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Monday, June 9, 2025 7:14 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Spotify’s AI music DJ can now speak Spanish

https://www.engadget.com/spotifys-ai-music-dj-can-now-speak-spanish-18
0022156.html



‘A Billion Streams and No Fans’: Inside a $10 Million AI Music Fraud Case

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-bots-streaming-music/


Love Is a Drug. A.I. Chatbots Are Exploiting That.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/03/opinion/chatbots-ai-addiction-love.
html




AI chatbot to be embedded in Google search

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpw77qwd117o


K-Pop, Leading the Korean Wave

https://www.korea.net/AboutKorea/Korean-Wave/K-Pop-Leading-the-Korean-
Wave



Can K-pop thrive beyond its Korean identity?
https://www.koreaherald.com/article/3422669
I think they (K-pop groups with non-Korean members) can succeed, but part of the charm of K-pop for the average American fan is that it is from Korea.



K-pop without Koreans? As ‘K’ shrinks, K-pop grows

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/entertainment/k-pop/20250521/k-pop-withou
t-koreans-as-k-shrinks-k-pop-grows



Will AI take over K-pop? Virtual artists singing AI-created songs are coming soon, and that has human composers worried

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/k-pop/bands/article/3240471/will-ai-tak
e-over-k-pop-virtual-artists-singing-ai-created-songs-are-coming-soon-and-has-human

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Monday, June 9, 2025 7:15 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


the Korea version of China's instrument the Gayageum or Kayagum a plucked zither, some tv show how to make Korean traditional instrument




'Steps of making a gayageum with 1000's of hands. Korean traditional string instrument expert'


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Monday, June 9, 2025 8:11 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Hawaiian Steel Guitar " A SONG OF OLD HAWAII "


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Monday, June 9, 2025 10:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Interesting info in your replies, although again I have to admit that I don't know much so other when you take the time to go out of your way to try to explain something to me, it's all basically gibberish like a foreign language to me. Mad respect to you for knowing all of that though. Like I said before... If I had only listened to my step-dad when I was younger and spent some more of my free time not glued to that goddamned glowing rectangle. It's too bad he hadn't come into my life about 5 or 6 years before he did.




I was hoping you'd mention that Dushlan song. I was at that for hours the other night. Kind of got lost in it and really enjoyed that process of "translating" the bass and the percussion parts of the song in my own weird MS Paint / Spreadsheet way.

Maybe it wasn't impressive just because it means nothing when you look at it. But it's funny... I can just look at that final image I made for the song even after a few days away from it and I can instantly get the song in my head and "read" the notes and the pulse just from a quick glance.

I was only kind of half-joking when I said I wanted to ask JO if he thought that it would count as a new language I just wrote.

Maybe call it the "Musical Weekend Warrior and Surely Somewhere on the Higher End of the Autistic Spectrum Rosetta Stone Language".




I'll be back to this thread for more I'm sure. I've got to be in the mood to settle in with music, and I'm in another mode today.

But it's been a productive mode, so it's all good.


Here's that Bogey Man song again if you hadn't found it or forgot.



What a cool little jam that I'd never even know about today if I hadn't got conned by a friend to join up for Columbia House when I was a Sophomore in HS.




Listening to it now and just being taken back to a time where if you "owned" a piece of music, it really meant something to you back then.

Abundance really just makes you lose interest in really appreciating anything anymore. Songs like this were special to me. We didn't have a lot of money, and I didn't spend much of the little I ever managed to scrounge up on music when there were video games to buy.


Just thinking about going back to a day where you would buy a CD for $15 for one song you loved, and maybe 1 or 2 other ones that you liked enough to listen to again. And the entire process of swapping out one disc for another to hear one or two other songs you like. And cherishing those rare few albums that you discovered you didn't mind listening to from start to finish... Those were the real gems.

Then eventually resigning yourself to recording your favorites onto a cassette tape, which was not high quality and had likely been used to record 50 things before you got to using it.


The way we interact with all this stuff is just so amazingly different than it was when we were kids it's crazy when you go back and think about it.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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