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What are our national goals? What about the international rules of the road? And who are "we", anyway?
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6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, August 27, 2026 3:08 AM
Thursday, August 27, 2026 9:49 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Gee. I wonder why when it's non-stop 24/7/365 anti-American propaganda everywhere you look. -------------------------------------------------- Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
Thursday, August 27, 2026 1:10 PM
Thursday, August 27, 2026 2:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Gee. I wonder why when it's non-stop 24/7/365 anti-American propaganda everywhere you look. -------------------------------------------------- Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.For 87 years, slave-owners complained about the anti-American propaganda spread by slavery abolitionists.
Thursday, August 27, 2026 3:29 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: One of the interesting things about the recent necroposting (which I really enjoy BTW - thanks Jayneztown!) is the long-term perspective that it offers on the discussions here. While the actual topic have changed - or not! in some cases, as old topics become relevant again - the underlying discussion has obdurately remained. The actual topic, of course - the one that's been rolling from thread to thread and decade to decade - is, what SHOULD we, as a nation, be doing? What CAN we do? Who is "we", anyway? How do we fit in with everyone else? Here are some examples of how this underlying argument works: SGG (sorry SGG, I know you're pissed off at me because I don't like Obama but this is a clear example) believes that the USA should be welcoming to immigrants, no matter how they cross our borders. He believes that because he believes it's the American ideal: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." That this ideal is what "makes America great" ... different than other nations ... and that there's no potential conflict between that American ideal and American future prospects or internal stability, it will always somehow work out in the end because it always has in the past, in some fashion. SGG's view of America and "Americans" is that our responsibility extends, not just to our current citizens but to EVERYBODY, that inclusiveness is the path to greatness (prosperity? security?) Clearly, SGG's definition of America and its responsibilities extends to more than just those living here. So, who or what is "America"? In terms of foreign policy, there are the perennial arguments about American military intervention. Can you actually reach objectives like "freedom" and "democracy" via the military? Should we even be trying to extend "our way of life" to other nations, especially at the point of a gun? And are those the real objectives of our leadership, or just the hooks used to get the populace to "buy into" a military intervention? If our leadership HAS other goals, what are they? How do we reach prosperity? With more, less, or a different government? Should prosperity be a goal in the fist place? One of the reasons why this comes up as a question is that there seems to be a profound disunity between Americans. Not only do people not seem to be agreeing on HOW to achieve certain goals, we seem not to be agreeing on the goals themselves, and we even disagree on whether agreement is even necessary. In fact, scanning across various (American) websites, it's as if we live in five or six very different worlds! MANY years ago, when my employer actually believed in training, they had a short training course in ethics. Best as I recall, there were three different systems: Canonical- the kinds that refers to the Bible, the Q'uran, or some other list of rules Synthetic (or syncretic) - the kind that attempts to understand the underlying areas of agreement between different systems, and synthesize them into one system ??? - I forget the name of the third, but I remember it as "Whatever floats your boat" .... I won't look into YOUR system of morals if you won't look over the back fence at mine. Even then, more than half of the USA believed in the "Whatever floats your boat" system of ethics. More people than not believed that you DON'T need a common set of ethics to have a "successful" nation. So should we even attempt to outline "our" underlying beliefs? Do we (as a nation) need some underlying, commonly-held morals anyway? Or can we just roll along without them?
Thursday, August 27, 2026 6:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The questions still remain. Now, more than ever. And SECOND and THGR seem incapable of rational thought.
Friday, August 28, 2026 5:33 AM
Friday, August 28, 2026 7:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Silly man. "Evil" is not a goal. Neither is "good". As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.
Friday, August 28, 2026 9:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Silly man. "Evil" is not a goal. Neither is "good". As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.I am going to repeat myself.
Saturday, August 29, 2026 6:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Silly man. "Evil" is not a goal. Neither is "good". As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.I am going to repeat myself. Don't bother. Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck. Everyone hates you. Just go away. -------------------------------------------------- Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
Saturday, August 29, 2026 6:11 AM
Saturday, August 29, 2026 10:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Silly man. "Evil" is not a goal. Neither is "good". As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.I am going to repeat myself. Don't bother. Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck. Everyone hates you. Just go away. -------------------------------------------------- Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music. 6ix, Trumptards are equivalent to Antibellium slave-owners; all could NOT see what was wrong with themselves, their way of life, and their preferred economics. And they couldn't understand what was evil about slavery. It was perfect, as mentioned in the Bible. Never did get them to understand, but killing them made it unnecessary to reach their minds and persuade them with facts and logic. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, August 29, 2026 12:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Silly man. "Evil" is not a goal. Neither is "good". As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.I am going to repeat myself. Don't bother. Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck. Everyone hates you. Just go away. -------------------------------------------------- Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.6ix, Trumptards are equivalent to Antibellium slave-owners; all could NOT see what was wrong with themselves, their way of life, and their preferred economics. And they couldn't understand what was evil about slavery. It was perfect, as mentioned in the Bible. Never did get them to understand, but killing them made it unnecessary to reach their minds and persuade them with facts and logic. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, August 29, 2026 1:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, you keep banging away about slavery. It's one of your hobby- horses. Since you react to it so strongly, please explain why. What is it about slavery that makes it evil, to you?
Saturday, August 29, 2026 1:52 PM
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