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On the subject of girls in sexy cloths...

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:38 AM

CHRISISALL


I live in Western Massachusetts, USA, and the girls 'round here wear the most amazing outfits.
Smith College (an all girls school) is nearby, and all I see is see-thru t-shirts, no bra, but most of all (should I say least?) are the sweat pants and jeans so low that strategic shaving is necessary in front, and the in the back, well, let's just say that when these girls bend over to pick something up, I feel as if I should tip them, if you take my meaning.
But most shocking is that more of these girls than not are overweight. As a hetero male I always feel the more skin visible on an attractive female, the better.
But this volume of skin showing on those poor heavier girls only serves as an embaressment, as far as I can see.
Does popular fashion have such a stranglehold on these young women that they can't see how covering up just a little more would be to their benefit, at least 'till they can get in a little better shape?
Is it like this everywhere, or is it the college town thing concentrating this phenomena here?

Perplexed Chrisisall

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:56 AM

BUGBOY


Hey chrisisall, long time no post!

Anyway, this seems to be all over the place, I was at the local S. Florida Best Buy parking lot one afternoon and this young hispanic girl got out of her parent's car in front of me (with her parents, btw) and I could not believe what I saw: her bush, peeking out from the top of her low rider jeans! Heck, even when my wife wanted to buy some jeans, the only thing she could find were low riders that gave her plumber's crack, and she's far from overweight.

The overweight ones also seem to like black spandex, and I find that SOOOO attractive...NOT!

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:02 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Please post pictures of this phenomenon so that the rest of us can make judgements on the matter.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:13 AM

CHRISISALL


Bugboy, it was our run in on the other thread made me think, some of this is a little out of control. Real life has surpassed what they can show on broadcast TV!

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:21 AM

BUGBOY


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Real life has surpassed what they can show on broadcast TV!

Amen Brutha!

I find it ironic that after all the hoopla over the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction", the download of that film clip broke all records! And after Adelphia for years insisted it would NEVER provide adult content is now providing adult content in CA.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM

SIGMANUNKI


I can say that I've found some of this here as well. Rather unsettles my stomach when it happens I must say.

My guess is that in current society, they get so much of, "You're so great", "You're so pretty no matter how you look", etc crap (Richard Simmons, I'm looking at you), that they actually have taken it to an unheathy extreme.

It's ok (and necessary) to have a good self image, but when people get to this deluded state... well... we all suffer.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:53 AM

JEBBYPAL


Actually it isn't necessarily that they are told they look good like that. Go into any store in america and try to find a normal pair of jeans. Almost all are ultra low and you have to hunt for ones that start at your hipbone for women.

That said, the ultralow rider styles coming out for men don't look any better quite honestly.

the fashion industry dictates what is worn and eventually you have to buy some of it when your "normal' clothes wear out.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:39 AM

SIGMANUNKI


@jebbypal:
That is true about jeans, but there are other types of pants, khakis pants for instance. There are also other type of "covering your legs" type clothing that are availible (ie skirts, etc).

Also, I remember reports last year (don't get me to look it up) that some young women are as disgusted with this as most people are. They have found clothing that covers in various places. I think Mandy Moore (?) has a clothing line along those lines (or that other singer, etc "star"). As well, a number of stores have started to carry some more covering clothing in response.

I'm not sure as to how wide spread it is, but the back lash to this terrible phenomenon has already started. Let's just hope that it takes hold.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:45 PM

OPUS


I don't see a big problem with somone with the attitude that they are great and pretty regardless of how they look.
In this case their weight.
Should they think they're worthless pieces of garbage because they are fat?
With that said,there IS age as well as weight appropriate clothing. Certain things are designed a specific way for a reason.
My problem is more with people wearing wayyyy oversized clothing.
Or every time I see someone wearing a baseball cap sideways or slightly off center I want rip it off their head, slap them severely about the head and shoulders, then jam the thing back on their heard the correct way.
Wearing one any other way besides straight forward or straight back looks idiotic.


Opus

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:12 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Opus:

I don't see a big problem with somone with the attitude that they are great and pretty regardless of how they look.
In this case their weight.
Should they think they're worthless pieces of garbage because they are fat?



Never said anything like this (nor anyone else). What I said is that the extreme is bad ie someone who is... overweight wearing things that a supermodel wears. You seem to agree with this from what you wrote.

Good self esteem is a necessity (as I stated above). But, when it gives birth to an "I'm so good no matter what my weight is, so I'm going to do nothing about that!" That is a problem.

Not only is it delusional (please note that I've seen somewhat attractive cubby people, but it is unhealthy), it's, to put it mildly, unhealthy ie increased chance of heart attack, stroke, hyper-tension (this one further increases chances of the already mentioned), diabetes, etc.

People should wear clothing that is specific to the occasion and there physique. ie I don't go around in a muscle shirt b/c I really don't have any to show (nor would I if I did). I expect the same of others as well.

I think that it must be said that I apply this to men just as I do women. I don't what to see Joe's belly hanging over the belt of his pants because his shirt is too short, just like I don't want to see the same on a woman.

Perhaps they should teach people what having class is in school nowadays as they are clearly not getting it.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:17 PM

OPUS


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Good self esteem is a necessity (as I stated above). But, when it gives birth to an "I'm so good no matter what my weight is, so I'm going to do nothing about that!" That is a problem.

Not only is it delusional (please note that I've seen somewhat attractive cubby people, but it is unhealthy), it's, to put it mildly, unhealthy ie increased chance of heart attack, stroke, hyper-tension (this one further increases chances of the already mentioned), diabetes, etc.




More often than not, I think the attitude is more a cover for having very bad self-esteem. Like someone trying too hard and that could apply to the thin or fat.
My comment came about when you pointed out Richard Simmons, surely a man who doesn't sit around telling people it's okay to be overweight.


Opus

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Friday, May 20, 2005 1:26 AM

BUGBOY


Well, there is an overwhelming amount of "It's ok if you are a (fill in the blank)" in society today, and the fill in the blank includes everything from pedophile to fat slob.

We've placed so much emphasis on self-esteem, even to the point of being contrary to what the research shows, that it's warping our society. No, it's NOT ok to get an F on your finals, even if you DID try the best you can. We live in a meritocracy, and the self-esteem movement flies in the face of that.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 2:12 AM

OPUS


Quote:

Well, there is an overwhelming amount of "It's ok if you are a (fill in the blank)" in society today, and the fill in the blank includes everything from pedophile to fat slob.


That's kind of extreme don't you think? The only people sticking up for the nomrmalcy of something like pedophilia are the pedophiles themselves, not society.
In regards to people who are fat, the weight loss industry is a billion dollar plus, business. I would say the vast majority of the message on being fat is negative, not accepting.
From my perspective we've turned more into a society where everyone tries to use the victim excuse.

Opus

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:31 AM

BUGBOY


Quote:

Originally posted by Opus:
That's kind of extreme don't you think?
...
From my perspective we've turned more into a society where everyone tries to use the victim excuse.


Yes, I know it was extreme, but the victim excuse is what what I am alluding to, RE: It's ok to (fill in the blank) as long as you don't feel guilty about it.

How many seriously deranged criminals have used "society made me do it" or "I was abused as a child" as an excuse? I'm sure that there are many well adjusted people who where abused as children, so a causal effect of such a childhood is still far from clear. It's the classice case of the man who claims he murdered his parents because he's an orphan.

I was also referring to the disturbing abuse scandals in the Church and its attempts to hide it over the years.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:41 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Opus:

More often than not, I think the attitude is more a cover for having very bad self-esteem. Like someone trying too hard and that could apply to the thin or fat.



I agree that what you are saying here happens to a large extent.

My point here is that schools (mainly) are such that they are basically brainwashing kids into thinking that they are super(wo)man regardless.

Both are problems that need to be corrected.


Quote:

Originally posted by Opus:

My comment came about when you pointed out Richard Simmons, surely a man who doesn't sit around telling people it's okay to be overweight.



I pointed at him b/c he does say some stupid things.

He thinks for instance that when lossing weight that no-one needs to take anything out of there diet regardless. I would think that any nutritionist will tell you that eating fast/fried/etc food is something that needs to be gone (at least mostly) to become heathy.

He also is one of the points of origins of this love yourself for who you are stuff. Now this is necessary to have, but he presents it in such a way that people can and do take it for the above extreme that I mentioned above.

Again, I agree with him in principle, but his delivery needs to be adjusted as people are clearly taking it the wrong way.


At this point, I think that we agree in principle, but disagree on some details. Am I wrong?

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:44 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Opus:

From my perspective we've turned more into a society where everyone tries to use the victim excuse.



I agree!

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Friday, May 20, 2005 8:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Bugboy:
Anyway, this seems to be all over the place...

There was a theory one of my teenage classmates had about the level of air-conditioning at school and the fact that the building seems perpetually freezing; that it was kept that way in order to discourage certain unfortunate and more revealing wardrobe choices. Although girls wearing tummy shirts in Minnesota in Winter just seems wrong.

Quote:

Originally posted by Bugboy:
The overweight ones also seem to like black spandex, and I find that SOOOO attractive...NOT!

As a girl with more than a few wobbly bits her own self, I don't understand how a large-size girl could go out in public with all the cellulite showing in such extreme detail.

Some of us won't ever be in the kind of shape that the "super model" fashions are designed for, simply because our health situations say, "sorry, no exercise for you today." That doesn't mean we should dress in tents, but trying to go about looking "like everyone else" brings "fitting in" to a whole new scary level.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 9:49 AM

OPUS


Honestly never never heard Simmons say anything about not taking anything out of your normal food intake. In principle however, I think when trying to start to lose weight that's a smart idea. Change quantity first, then quality, phase out the old , introduce the new. Not going cold turkey.




Opus

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Friday, May 20, 2005 9:58 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Opus:

Honestly never never heard Simmons say anything about not taking anything out of your normal food intake. In principle however, I think when trying to start to lose weight that's a smart idea. Change quantity first, then quality, phase out the old , introduce the new. Not going cold turkey.



He said that in an interview on the Wayne Brady Show.

I agree that changing should be gradual. Of course how gradual depends on how severe the deit was in the first place. I agree that cold turkey rarely works.

Of course, that change in diet should be permanent if the person expects to have a long and healthy life.

Life style change is what I'd propose.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 10:22 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by Channain:

Some of us won't ever be in the kind of shape that the "super model" fashions are designed for




I would replace "some" with "most."

It takes a lot of time, energy and good genes to get a body like that. Since most people aren't able to work out full time, and most aren't blessed with those genes, I'd gather it's rare to find those in there 30's or so, looking akin to a model.

Not to mention that even models (to one degree or another) resort to unhealthy behaviour to get those bodies. It's just unhealthy in the other direction.


Quote:

Originally posted by Channain:

That doesn't mean we should dress in tents, but trying to go about looking "like everyone else" brings "fitting in" to a whole new scary level.



I've always been in the "normal" weight range, so I can only imagine what it's like (Please tell me if I'm speaking out of turn).

But, I have seen many an overweight (wo)man dress in a classy way, inside and outside of work. So, it is possible. I just gather that it's rather more difficult.

I think that it's up to society to not condem those that dress appropriately and give constructive critizism in private to those that don't. Anything else will just put more fuel in the fire of this rather sensitive topic.

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Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:30 AM

SHINYHAPPYKLIN


I'm really starting to believe that it is very difficult for anyone to find "stylish" clothing (that is something that's not incredibly conservative/covered up or bland in styling - looks like a uniform) without it also being terribly revealing.

I'm a woman of middle age who likes to dress a little edgy/artistically, and doesn't mind showing off some "womanly attributes", but I'm really having problems finding attractive things (especially pants and blouses) that work for work -- they look ok when I'm out with the hubby, but they cross the line a bit for work, ya know?

I don't mind my husband or other admiring persons checking out cleavage when I'm "off the clock", but I do have a problem with my students staring down my top. When I tried to find more "modest" things to wear to work this week, everything other than basic tunic tops (ick), button-down "uniformy" looking blouses, and high-necked shells (which only make me look like a brick) were incredibly low cut and plunging! Even when they looked ok on the hanger, as soon as I put them on, they plunged to new lows, and would require wearing a camisole or some other annoying garment underneath to make them business-appropriate. I did get a couple of really, really cute tops, but after wearing one to dinner last night, I realized that a safety pin will be required to even attempt to make it work-friendly. Even the stuff in the so-called "career wear" department was designed with the young and firm in mind, and was more revealing than I was comfortable with.

Oh, and the pants....I'm just glad I'm short-waisted, otherwise I'd never find a pair of pants that fit...even at the larger sizes I wear, finding a pair of pants that come to my waist is an amazing challenge. I've taken to wearing drawstring linen pants for summer, just so I have some ability to try to hike and tie them where I want them - most pants are too low and even when they fit, the "jiggly bits" are exposed, and that just ain't attractive on anyone, especially those of us of a certain age...

I will be SO happy when waistlines go back to normal....and yes, also when the baggy look on kids can go away....I am sick of seeing that look as well.

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Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:11 PM

DANFAN


Your post made me stop and marvel at the incredible power that the fashion industry holds in our society... more so for the women than the men in my experience. Yet even for men, it exists to a lesser degree.

I think that is so unhealthy. It seems that the only place where you can shop reasonably free of the power of fashion to force undesirable change is in functional clothing: hiking, camping, work clothing, etc. And even there, you see some nod to changing colors and the occasional seam placement to coax the crowd in to buying another shirt or convertible slacks.

So, if you are comfortable in your own skin, and you know what look works for you, but your sense is out of step with what the industry wants to sell you this year, you are SOL. That is wrong. How do we fix that?

Thank goodness my office allows me to wear Rockports, Levi's 505's, and earth-tone henleys. I'd hate to have to solve the problem you face.

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Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:04 PM

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Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:25 AM

LISSA


Quote:

Originally posted by shinyhappyklin:

I will be SO happy when waistlines go back to normal....



i agree with everything you said (i'm 19), just as long as waistlines don't go allll the way back up to the waist, because that is just NOT attractive. pants that don't cover your butt are bad, but pants that double your butt are also bad. being a stylish woman, i'm sure you probably agree;)

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Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:31 AM

CAITE


I am a woman who used to be quite overweight. To be honest, I went from being 5'0, 175 pounds to being 5'0, 120 pounds. I did it the healthy way--diet and exercise. I cut out junk and fast foods and started going for "long walks on the beach." I am still not thin thin, but I'm in my target weight range for my body type and that's good enough for me.

That being said, I too am dismayed at the heavy women who insist on wearing clothes they simply shouldn't. Yes, by all means have confidence in yourself no matter what you look like on the outside. HOWEVER, I subscribe to the make the best of what you've got philosophy. When I was much heavier, I wore t-shirts and jeans and stuff that covered everything up. My jeans were at the waist, and when I had to wear a bathing suit, it was a one piece. There are even more adorable plus sized clothing now, and I just don't understand why they make things ever worse for themselves by dressing so inappropriately.

I also am agaist super SKINNY women showing EVERYTHING and then some. I am an English teacher in training at a Southern CA High School, and I am shocked at some of what I see. This 10th grader in my 5th period wore the shortest skirt in all of creation Friday, and I was appalled....

Anyway, that's just my two sense.

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