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There is a reason why the Founding Fathers limited searches and seizures to "probable cause" and that was to prevent wholesale searches of suspect (or even non-suspect) populations. Wholesale searches are a waste of time and resources, and do not increase internal security.-SignyM

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There is also a reason why the founding fathers granted the people the right to keep and bear arms. One could say that gun control law violates every single aspect of the 2nd Amendment; not only are we still a democracy, but you are surprising on board with this example of a violation of our Constitution. -Finn

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Your question was a little like "Have you stopped beating your wife?" I avoided the question because it was not only a diversionary tactic, it was stupid question (false analogy, false dilemna). Why discuss flawed aruments? So- BTW- here is notice that I will probably not respond to such flawed arguments in the future. Be assured that I'm not "stalling", I just refuse to waste my time.-SignyM

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You avoid the question because you can’t answer it without dismissing your whole ‘fear mongering’ about the end of our democracy, or aligning yourself with the Right. Two things I know you’re not going to do. The fact of the matter is that these are two examples of violations of the Constitution; if one of them leads to the end of our democracy why don’t both of them? I guess the democracy-ending aspect of the loss of a particular freedom depends largely on point of view. The first time a democratic administration employs the Patriot Act, I have a feeling you might decide that our democracy is much stronger.Your argument lacks perspective. That's my point, in case anyone missed it. That’s Geezers point also.-Finn

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It lacks YOUR perspective, or Geezers'. Do you want me to get into what those perspectives are? Better ask Geezer before you drag him into this. AFA the Second Amendment: If you want to discuss the 2nd Amendment, feel free to start another thread. As of this point, you really don't know what my opinion is on the topic, do you? But you presume a whole lot.-SignyM

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SignyM, here's another related theory: Since the late fifties the American economy has been in decline. When oil becomes too expensive to retrieve due to tapped out planetary resources (2012 some say) the world economy will change drastically, and relativly quickly. Our government (the shadow government, the Firm, whatever; the guys that stay) are planning for that day of possible anarchy. They are putting in place all the police state-like short leash options they will need under such circumstances. Freedoms are secondary to survival, and from their point of view they are simply 'bringing order to the galaxy '. A theory I do not fully subscribe to, yet cannot by any means dismiss (I might just be too afraid of it to want to really buy it). Do you think this might be why we're waving goodbye to the fourth amendment these days? P.S., can you start a part 2 for this thread? It is really long.-Chrisisall

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I guess the democracy-ending aspect of the loss of a particular freedom depends largely on point of view. The first time a democratic administration employs the Patriot Act, I have a feeling you might decide that our democracy is much stronger.

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Do I detect flamage here? That was pretty colourful, Finn. I think we all have more in common here, politically, that merely reading this thread would have some believe.
I sense the good in you, the conflict. The American media hasn't driven it from you fully.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Hey Jason,

How 'bout you write up the code for it and send it in to Haken? I think the site's code base is in ASP. I'm sure he'd appreciate it. Or you could send him some cash for his time. Of course it would probably only cover a small portion of the many, many hours he's put into this site over the last few years.

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Or you could quit being a jackass. No one is forcing you to click these threads, and they say quite clearly how long they are in the link.

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The bottom line is Haken has created a truly fan-based site that kicks the shit out of the 'official' board, and he's done it on his own nickel.

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SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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I don't think I can handle another of these threads this weekend. I have too much work to do. I have to go to the base and follow up on some research. I’ve got to clean the house. I’ve got cookouts to organize, which for a family as large as mine is no small task. Someone’s got to buy the meat, cook the cornbread and the rent the Lizzie McGuire DVD, and it all has to go seamless. It’s a diplomatic nightmare. I’m passing on any further discussion, guys.

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My wife just read my 'related theory' (which is not my theory, BTW), and she said something like 'it goes too far'...the accumulated facts are in his face, and he still resists seeing the possibilities. His world needs to make sense. He almost makes connections, then over thinks it so as to be comfortable for him...Scariest image burned into the hard drive of my mind as of this, my fourty fifth year on this planet: Dubya standing on the Trade Center wreckage. The words 'Justification for Armageddon' popped into my head.

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Hey Sarge- I noticed that Jasonzzz posts were all made within an hour. These remind me of the entire page of "barf" emoticons that he posted once. Maybe he gets into the whiskey and enjoys drunken snit fits?

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So, as far as your explanation of the world as it is... I disagree with your wife. It doesn't go far enough.

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Yes. But... TAKE OUT THE GOOD LOOKS??? From the distaff side, that's the main draw!

Actually, the government doesn't need black helicopters and mind-altering drugs here in the USA, everyone's pretty hypnotized by TV and/ or the Bible! I mean, there are people who are still dabbling their toes in the notion of evolution, fer crissake!

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I'm definitly with you on that one, Hero.

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Have any of you heard of "Sociocracy"?

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I understood from US Democrats that “Democracy is on the ballot” in ‘24.

Okay. So, I would like to VOTE against KamalaHarris
becoming the nominee of my party, specifically after hiding JoeBiden
’s dementia/cognitive decline.

How do I *VOTE* to keep democracy on the ballot?

https://x.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1815565079137616275

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