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For the oil, thats it. The first attacks in the war weren't on the mainland - they were on oil rigs. Saddam wasn't a threat. You can moan about it from a moral point of view, but if you were paying £8 a gallon, there'd be riots in the streets. Iran's got a lot of gas, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next.

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This is where you sieze a suspect for interrogation. Western goverments want to keep to their civil liberties laws, so you lift a suspect from the streets and fly them to a friendly country - often Pakistan or a north African country. Western goverments can then say, "We don't torture anyone." You just get someone in another country to do it for you.

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Britain and America will want it to look like we've come home. But there's no exit plan. The US will be enclosed in their military cities, and we'll have our little bit down south. We'll say we've handed over to the Iraqi military, but we'll still have a huge military presence, because the troops who are no longer in Saudi will be stationed in Iraq instead.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Just read a few choice quotes from Andy McNab (ex-SAS, served in the 1st gulf war in the legendary Bravo Two Zero) :

Why are we really in Iraq?

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For the oil, thats it. The first attacks in the war weren't on the mainland - they were on oil rigs.

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Just read a few choice quotes from Andy McNab (ex-SAS, served in the 1st gulf war in the legendary Bravo Two Zero) :

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For the oil, thats it. The first attacks in the war weren't on the mainland - they were on oil rigs.

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I was involved on the "attacks" on the oil rigs. Our purpose wasn't to take them over so that America could have more oil. It was to prevent Hussein from causing mass ecological disaster as he did setting the Kuwaiti oilfields on fire during the Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait. We had figures in hand concerning how much oil would spill into the gulf if those things were destroyed, and so we acted to prevent that catastrophe from taking place.

Don't take Andy McNab's word for it. He's acting on supposition without first hand knowledge. I was there. I was involved. It wasn't a hostile take over for oil that motivated us to grab those GOPLATS. It was to prevent ecological disaster.

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Who said I hate America, exactly?

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Just read a few choice quotes from Andy McNab (ex-SAS, served in the 1st gulf war in the legendary Bravo Two Zero) :

Why are we really in Iraq?

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For the oil, thats it. The first attacks in the war weren't on the mainland - they were on oil rigs.

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I was involved on the "attacks" on the oil rigs. Our purpose wasn't to take them over so that America could have more oil. It was to prevent Hussein from causing mass ecological disaster as he did setting the Kuwaiti oilfields on fire during the Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait. We had figures in hand concerning how much oil would spill into the gulf if those things were destroyed, and so we acted to prevent that catastrophe from taking place.

Don't take Andy McNab's word for it. He's acting on supposition without first hand knowledge. I was there. I was involved. It wasn't a hostile take over for oil that motivated us to grab those GOPLATS. It was to prevent ecological disaster.

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I can accept that, its not without presedent, I suppose...
But, come on, Oil is at least one of the motivations for the war.

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We really don't hate Muslims, it's their religion.

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But, come on, Oil is at least one of the motivations for the war.

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Just read a few choice quotes from Andy McNab (ex-SAS, served in the 1st gulf war in the legendary Bravo Two Zero) :

Why are we really in Iraq?

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For the oil, thats it. The first attacks in the war weren't on the mainland - they were on oil rigs. Saddam wasn't a threat. You can moan about it from a moral point of view, but if you were paying £8 a gallon, there'd be riots in the streets. Iran's got a lot of gas, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next.

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This is where you sieze a suspect for interrogation. Western goverments want to keep to their civil liberties laws, so you lift a suspect from the streets and fly them to a friendly country - often Pakistan or a north African country. Western goverments can then say, "We don't torture anyone." You just get someone in another country to do it for you.

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Britain and America will want it to look like we've come home. But there's no exit plan. The US will be enclosed in their military cities, and we'll have our little bit down south. We'll say we've handed over to the Iraqi military, but we'll still have a huge military presence, because the troops who are no longer in Saudi will be stationed in Iraq instead.

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A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We're still in Bosnia, aren't we? Clinton said we'd be out of there by Christmas ( never said what year, though) Some exit strategy we've got there too.

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erm, if you gave my a reason as to why you were asking why I might be able to tell you...

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Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices ? Or him using the $$ from oil sales to build up his army (again)??

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Why do I need to give you a reason? Is the answer you give going to be dependent on my I’m asking, and if so, why?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices ? Or him using the $$ from oil sales to build up his army (again)??

We're still in Bosnia, aren't we? Clinton said we'd be out of there by Christmas ( never said what year, though) Some exit strategy we've got there too.

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Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices?

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I really think a lot of Finn's points here are valid. The War for Oil argument has always seemed to me be too simple and too simply a slam against the Administration. It really doesn't belong in the discussion any more than the statement "The Bush Administration is a bunch of corrupt mothers!" The War for Oil argument really undermines any discussion. There is no evidence other than a kind of look-at-the-big-picture gestalt. Am I wrong about this?

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Thats is an interesting arguement.....

kinda leads to questions like if atomic weapons were available before the defeat of Germany, would they have been used... or is that sort of thing reserved to the yellow, black, or brown of this world.

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If cheap oil was all the US wanted we would have just white washed the UN weapons inspection program and lifted the sanctions at any time. Presto, cheap Iraqi oil floods the market...

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"I did not think so at first. But the US is incredibly dependent on oil," news agency TT quoted Blix as saying at a security seminar in Stockholm.
"They wanted to secure oil in case competition on the world market becomes too hard."

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Iraq has the second largest proven reserves of oil in the world, behind only Saudi Arabia. 112 billion barrels lie below the country's desert sands, together with another probable 220 billion barrels of unproven reserves. What's more, the US Department of Energy says, "Iraq's true resource potential may be far greater, as the country is relatively unexplored due to years of war and sanctions."
This, plus the fact that "Iraq's oil production costs are among the lowest in the world, makes it a highly attractive oil prospect," says the department's latest country analysis. No wonder many critics believe that the campaign to topple Saddam Hussein is really a battle for Iraq's oil.

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