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Either way I expect the usual suspects to fill this thread with the kind of errant nonsense (allbeit well researched errant nonsense) that the R.W.E.D. board has become accustomed.

Oh, and I expect at least one moralistic rebuttal of my comments.

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Milosevic Feared He Was Being Poisoned


3-12-6

BELGRADE (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned in his detention cell in The Hague, his lawyer Zdenko Tomanovic said on Saturday hours after the tribunal announced Milosevic's death.

"Today, I have filed an official request to the tribunal to have the autopsy carried out in Moscow, having in mind his claims yesterday that he was being poisoned in the jail," Tomanovic told reporters in The Hague.

Acting on a request from Milosevic, Tomanovic said he had made a request for protection for his client to the Russian embassy in The Netherlands and to the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow.

"I demanded protection for Slobodan Milosevic over his claims that he was being poisoned. I still haven't received any reply and that's all I have to say at this time," the lawyer said.

Milosevic conducted his own defense at the war crimes trial. Tomanovic acted as his legal representative in other matters as well as helping him prepare his defense.

http://rense.com/general69/milo.htm




Milosevic found dead in his cell

Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has been found dead in the detention centre at The Hague tribunal.

The tribunal said an autopsy would be conducted to establish cause of death, but there was no indication of suicide.

Zdenko Tomanovic, a lawyer for Mr Milosevic, says the autopsy should take place elsewhere as his client said he was being poisoned in the jail.

Mr Milosevic, 64, had been held at the UN war crimes tribunal for genocide and other war crimes since 2001.

Treatment dispute

Mr Milosevic suffered from high blood pressure and a heart condition.

Last month the tribunal rejected a request by the former president to go to Russia for medical treatment.

The BBC's Geraldine Coughlan at The Hague says Mr Milosevic's death is a blow to prosecutors, who had been hoping to convict him as being part of a joint criminal enterprise that operated across the former Yugoslavia, intent on setting up a greater Serbian state.

Mr Milosevic faced charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his alleged central role in the wars in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo during the 1990s.

He also faced genocide charges over the 1992-95 Bosnia war, in which 100,000 people died.

His lawyer told BBC News 24 that Mr Milosevic would not have committed suicide because he wanted to complete his trial, which had been due to restart on 14th March and was scheduled to end in May this year.

"In fact he said to me a few weeks ago. 'I hadn't fought this case for as long as I have with any intention of to do any harm to myself, Mr Kay'. And that is why he wanted medical treatment," Steven Kay said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4796470.stm

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"OSAMAGATE"

by Michel Chossudovsky
Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal
globalresearch.ca
9 October 2001

The Republican Party Committee report confirms unequivocally the complicity of the Clinton Administration with several Islamic fundamentalist organisations including Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda.

The "Bosnian pattern" described in the 1997 Congressional RPC report was replicated in Kosovo. With the complicity of NATO and the US State Department. Mujahideen mercenaries from the Middle East and Central Asia were recruited to fight in the ranks of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in 1998-99, largely supporting NATO's war effort.

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Confirmed by British military sources, the task of arming and training of the KLA had been entrusted in 1998 to the US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) and Britain's Secret Intelligence Services MI6, together with "former and serving members of 22 SAS (Britain's 22nd Special Air Services Regiment), as well as three British and American private security companies".

The US DIA approached MI6 to arrange a training programme for the KLA, said a senior British military source. `MI6 then sub-contracted the operation to two British security companies, who in turn approached a number of former members of the (22 SAS) regiment. Lists were then drawn up of weapons and equipment needed by the KLA.' While these covert operations were continuing, serving members of 22 SAS Regiment, mostly from the unit's D Squadron, were first deployed in Kosovo before the beginning of the bombing campaign in March.

Bin Laden had visited Albania himself. He was one of several fundamentalist groups that had sent units to fight in Kosovo, ... Bin Laden is believed to have established an operation in Albania in 1994 ... Albanian sources say Sali Berisha, who was then president, had links with some groups that later proved to be extreme fundamentalists.

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www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO110A.html

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Bosnian Muslim weekly “Dani” reported on September 24, 1999, that Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted terrorist in the world, was issued a Bosnia-Herzegovina passport. Bin Laden was issued the Bosnian passport by the Bosnian embassy in Vienna in 1993. However, Bin Laden was not the only one. A number of suspected terrorists have traveled the globe utilizing “legally issued” Bosnia-Herzegovina documents.

The Bosnian Muslim daily "Oslobodjenje" published that three men, believed linked to Saudi extremist Osama Bin Laden, were arrested in Sarajevo in July 2001. The three, one of whom was identified as Imad El Misri, were Egyptian nationals. The paper said that two of the suspects were holding Bosnian passports.

The Dayton peace agreement, that ended Bosnia’s civil war, ordered all foreign soldiers to leave the country, including those who fought alongside the mainly Muslim government army. Many of those who fought in the Bosnian Muslim Army included ranks of Islamicist radicals from the Arab world, Afghanistan, Pakistan and South East Asia. However, an undisclosed number remained, obtaining Bosnian citizenship as members of the army or by marrying Bosnian women.

At the end of the civil war many of these so-called mujahadeen remained on territories controlled by the Bosnian-Croat Federation, instructing Muslim forces in terrorist activities. Those activities came to light on December 18, 1995, with the premature detonation of an automobile bomb in Zenica. It is widely speculated that the bomb was meant for U.S. NATO troops serving in Bosnia-Herzegovina as revenge for the life sentence given to Sheik Omah Abdel Rahman, the brain behind the World Trade Centre bombing in New York.

(But the FBI confessed on 100 tape recordings to paying their informant Mr Salem $1-million, and providing the bomb for the WTC in 1993, as confessed in court and NY Times).

www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

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"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal
THE NEW YORK TIMES
October 28, 1993, Page A1

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases, the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with th F.B.I.

Supervisor `Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said,

"came and messed it up."
"He requested to meet me in the hotel,"

Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.

"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.

Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York Office to go to Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the `New York people':

"Well, of course not, because they don't want to
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Many mujahadeen in Bosnia are now located in what was the pre-war Serbian village of Bocinja Donja. Today, a sign on the road into the town warns visitors to "be afraid of Allah."

www.balkanpeace.org/our/our09.shtml

"The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations."
-USAma Bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/


"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people."
-Usama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine, September 28, 2001


"My brothers own Serenity The Big Damn Movie with their Carlyle Group partners Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire and his cousin the German Queen of England. My brother Shafig Bin Laden ate breakfast with George Sr in Washington DC on 9/11/2001. My brother Salem Bin Laden was George Jr's first business partner in ArBUSTo Oil in Houston. My daddy was Prescott Bush's business partner since 1947. I lived in a US Army hospital in Dubai in summer of 2001. My Dr neice is an American citizen who just posed nude in GQ. BTW, I died in a US Special Forces base in Pakistan in December 2001. Suckers!"
-USAma Bin Laden (aka Wahabi Jew Tim OSSman when purchasing SAMs in California from CIA)
www.thecarlylegroup.com

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Or perhaps he just choked on a sandwich.
Either way I expect the usual suspects to fill this thread with the kind of errant nonsense (allbeit well researched errant nonsense) that the R.W.E.D. board has become accustomed.

Oh, and I expect at least one moralistic rebuttal of my comments.

Get Gooogling guys, the world's your Oyster.

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Bravo!

So far exactly as expected. Keep up the good....well the ..er..work anyway.

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Must upset some folk when we're not predictable, best to tell 'em what they want to hear, y'hear?

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Must upset some folk when we're not predictable, best to tell 'em what they want to hear, y'hear?


Pidgeon-holed Chrisisall

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OLDENGLANDDRY

Am I one of the people who was supposed to charge in like a bull?


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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Slobodan Milosevic's son today claimed his father was murdered, as he arrived in the Netherlands to collect the former Serbian president's body. "He got killed, he didn't die. He got killed. There is a murder," Marko Milosevic told the Associated Press.
www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1730680,00.html

Mirjana Markovic, the wife of dead UN war crimes suspect and former Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic, charged in an interview Monday that her husband "was killed by the Hague tribunal" by means of torture. In an interview to the Belgrade daily Vecernje Novosti, she stated: "They kept cameras and lights on in Slobodan's cell non-stop, so that he could not sleep. That is an officially recognised form of torture."
www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=25079

An expert who found traces of drugs in Slobodan Milosevic's blood before his death says they may have neutralised treatment for his heart conditions. Full test results are awaited, but the comments by toxicologist Donald Uges raise questions over what caused the heart attack that killed Mr Milosevic. The ex-Yugoslav leader, on trial at The Hague war crimes tribunal, had alleged that he was being poisoned. Mr Uges said rifampicin, a powerful antibiotic used to treat leprosy or tuberculosis, was found. Rifampicin would neutralise the effects of heart drugs, he said.
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Richard Tomlinson (MI6): 12 May 99 affidavit to court inquest:

Intro: "They (MI6) should not be entitled to use the Official Secrets Act to protect themselves from investigation into the deaths of three people, particularly in the case of an incident of this magnitude and historical importance."

Affidavit: "Later in 1992, as the civil war in the former Yugoslavia became increasingly topical, I started to work primarily on operations in Serbia. During this time, I became aquainted with Dr. Nicholas Bernard Frank Fishwick, born 1958, the MI6 officer who at the time was in charge of planning Balkan operations. During one meeting with Dr. Fishwick, he casually showed me a three-page document that on closer inspection turned out to be an outline plan to assassinate the Serbian leader President Slobodan Milosevic…. Fishwick had annotated that the document be circulated to the following senior MI6 officers: Maurice Kendwrick-Piercey, then head of the Balkan operations, John Ridde, then the senior security officer for Balkan operations, the SAS liaison officer to MI6 (designation MODA/SO, but I have forgotten his name), the head of the Eastern European Controllerate (then Richard Fletcher) and finally Alan Petty, the personal secretary to the then chief of MI6, Colin McColl. This plan contained a political justification for the assassination of Milosevic, followed by three outline proposals on how to achieve this objective. I firmly believe that the third of these scenarios contained information that could be useful in establishing the causes of death of Henri Paul, the Princess of Wales, and Dodi Al Fayed. This third scenario suggested that Milosevic could be assassinated by causing his personal limosine to crash. Dr. Fishwick proposed to arrange the crash in a tunnel, because the proximity of concrete close to the road would ensure that the crash would be sufficiently violent to cause death or serious injury, and would also reduce the possibility that there might be independent, casual witnesses. Dr. Fishwick suggested that one way to cause the crash might be to disorientate the chauffeur using a strobe flash gun, a device which is occasionally deployed by special forces to, for example, disorientate helicopter pilots or terrorists, and about which MI6 officers are briefed about during their training. In short, this scenario bore remarkable similarities to the circumstances and witness accounts of the crash that killed the Princess of Wales, Dodi Al Fayed, and Henri Paul. I firmly believe this account should be yielded by MI6 to the Judge investigating these deaths, and would provide further leads that he could follow."

Further details:

Arrested for showing a six-page outline for his memoirs to Australian publisher. Convicted for violating the Official Secrets Act, and sentenced to twelve months in maximum-security prison. He was paroled after six months.

One month prior to his appointment to testify before Judge Herve Stephan's inquest into the deaths, Tomlinson was arrested in Paris by the French intelligence agency, DST. He explainsed in his affidavit: "Although I have no record of violent conduct I was arrested with such ferocity and at gunpoint that I received a broken rib. I was taken to the headquarters of the DST and interrogated for 38 hours. Despite my repeated requests, I was never given any justification for the arrest and was not shown the arrest warrant. Even though I was released without charge, the DST confiscated from me my computer and Psion organizer."

At this time, Tomlinson officially sought political asylum in Swizterland, declaring that no other nation would protect him from arrest by the British secret police.

One week later in New Zealand, Tomlinson was forced to exit off a Quantas airliner bound for Australia (a part of the British Empire), where he was scheduled for a television network interview. Within one hour of his return to his hotel room, he was arrested by New Zealand police and the New Zealand Secret Intelligence Service (NZSIS--New Zealand is also a part of the British Empire.). He was held under arrest and searched for three hours, and his remaining computer equipment was confiscated.

Note that Princess Diana was worth more dead than alive, while the President of Serbia was worth more alive than dead, since this would justify many billions of dollars in warfare expenditures for British and American military interests. Presidents Muammar Qaddafi and Saddam Hussein, likewise, were worth more alive than dead, with British and/or American military forces bending over backwards to avoid injuring them during warfare.

www.geocities.com/princess_diana_not_dwi

Pentagon Operation el Dorado Canyon - 1987 raid on Libya
US Special Forces rescued Qadaffi before USAF, USN and British jets bombed sleeping civilians, according Chief of Public Affairs at US Marine corps in Pentagon:
www.geocities.com/prohibition_us/military1.html

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DIANA LETTER SENSATION: 'THEY WILL TRY TO KILL ME'

"My husband is planning 'an accident' in my car, brake failure and serious head injury... to make the path clear for him to marry."
—Princess Diana Spencer

DAILY MIRROR
Oct 20 2003
WORLD EXCLUSIVE

By Jane Kerr, Royal reporter Inlaws or outlaws? World wide banner headline Monday, October 20, 2003

PRINCESS DIANA claimed there was a plot to kill her in a car crash in a handwritten letter only 10 months before she died. She gave it to her butler Paul Burrell with orders that he should keep it as "insurance" for the future.

The princess predicted: "This particular phase in my life is the most dangerous." She said "XXXXXXXXXXX is planning 'an accident' in my car, brake failure and serious head injury in order to make the path clear for Charles to marry".

In the letter, revealed by the Daily Mirror today, Diana named who she believed was plotting to kill her. But the Mirror is not able to repeat the allegation for legal reasons so we have blanked that part of the letter out.

The document will fuel the conspiracy theories which have raged in the six years since she was killed in a Paris car crash.

But it also appears to bring fresh importance to a warning by the Queen that there were "powers at work in this country about which we have no knowledge".

The Queen was speaking to Burrell at Buckingham Palace in a meeting that would prove crucial in the collapse of his trial for theft.

Now, plagued by that meeting and deeply troubled that there has still been no inquest in Britain into the death of Diana and her boyfriend Dodi Fayed, Burrell has come forward with the stunning new evidence.

In his new book A Royal Duty the former servant – cleared last year of stealing Diana's possessions – claims she began to worry about her security TWO YEARS before her death and that this led her to record her fears in the document.

Before sealing the letter in an envelope marked "Paul", the princess told him: "I'm going to date this and I want you to keep it ... just in case."

In the second paragraph of the document, written in October 1996, Diana explained in the plainest possible language that she was convinced of the plot to mastermind an accident.

Burrell describes in his book the events that led the princess to write the document at her desk in Kensington Palace.

Diana's divorce from Prince Charles had been finalised less than two months earlier.

The princess, who had cut down on her charities to focus on Aids, leprosy and victims of homelessness, was enjoying huge public support.

But according to Burrell, by the autumn of 1996 she had "an overpowering feeling that she was 'in the way'."

He adds: "Rightly or wrongly she felt the stronger she became, the more she was regarded as a modernising nuisance.

"She certainly felt that 'the system' didn't appreciate her work and that for as long as she was on the scene Prince Charles could never properly move on."

Burrell says the princess told him: "I have become strong and they don't like it when I am able to do good and stand on my own two feet without them."

THE princess's anxiety deepened to such an extent that she ordered a sweep of her apartments at Kensington Palace for listening devices.

By October 1996 she once again confided in Burrell that she believed there was a concerted attempt to undermine her in the public's eyes.

She recalled that she had been brooding about Charles's relationship with Camilla Parker Bowles and the continuing role of Tiggy Legge Bourke, nanny to Princes William and Harry, in the Royal Household.

Burrell says the princess was feeling "undervalued and unappreciated". But at the root of her fears she said she was constantly puzzled" by attempts by Prince Charles's supporters to "destroy her".

With these thoughts and fears in her head, Diana decided to put her fears to paper, says Burrell.

The letter betrays the loneliness Diana was feeling: "I am sitting here at my desk today in October, longing for someone to hug me and encourage me to keep strong and hold my head high." According to Burrell it was not the first time Diana had felt it neccessary to record what was happening to her. He said: I became the repository for royal truths.

"These notes are her legacy and are crucial to the truths that enshrine her memory and debunk the damaging myths that seem to have been peddled since the day she died."

Diana and Dodi Fayed were killed in the early hours of August 31 1997 when a Mercedes S280 driven by drunken chauffeur Henri Paul careered into the Pont d'Alma tunnel in the French capital.

An inquiry in 1999 by the French authorities blamed Paul, concluding that he had taken a cocktail of drink and drugs before losing control of the car because he was speeding.

However, there has been a growing unwillingness by the public to accept the official version of her death.

BURRELL admitted he shares the doubts. He said: "With the benefit of hindsight, the content of that letter has bothered me since her death."

It will strike a chord among people who remain puzzled by inconsistences in her death, including questions over a mysterious white Fiat Uno which grazed the Mercedes in the tunnel and over blood samples taken from Henri Paul.

Harrods owner Mohamed Al Fayed, Dodi's father, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on a private investigation, convinced that Diana and Dodi were murdered by British security services at the behest of Establishment forces.

But Diana's family refuse to believe the theories. Her mother Frances Shand Kydd accepted the findings of the French inquiry "without reservation".

Diana's brother Earl Spencer also said he was satisfied that the authorities had "reached the right conclusion".

Hopes that some of the mysteries would be unravelled were dashed last month.

A spokesman for the royal coroner Michael Burgess said the date for an inquest on Diana would be announced within days.

But hours later Mr Burgess ordered the statement to be withdrawn, saying it was premature" to suggest a date and refusing to give a timescale.

The lack of an inquest and his prosecution for theft in 2002 steeled Burrell's determination to make public the princess's concerns for her security.

"That letter has been part of the burden I have carried since the princess's death. Knowing what to do with it has been a source of much soul-searching."

He insists that whether it is a wild coincidence" or an explanation for the tragedy is a matter for a coroner's court.

He adds: "It may be futile in what it achieves because it can do no more than provide yet another question mark.

"But if that question mark leads to an inquest and a thorough investigation of the facts by the British authorities it will have achieved something."

www.geocities.com/princess_diana_not_dwi

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