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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru.

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru.

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I don't think this is a religion. I'm pretty sure it was an episode of Doctor Who from the '70s. Tom Baker I think. Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think he's right that we were partly created by the anunnakki, and alien race who live far out on the edge of our solar system on a planet that the summarians called Nibiru.

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I don't think this is a religion. I'm pretty sure it was an episode of Doctor Who from the '70s. Tom Baker I think. Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?

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Originally posted by citizen:
How did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Also I think "Hominods" are a kind of biscuit so not much chance of them being DNA compatable with humans.

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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012

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Originally posted by Hero:
Didn't this one have to do with the Cybermen?

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Originally posted by citizen:
How did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?

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Well, I would just point that ancient people were far more advanced than what most common people think. The ancients were quite advanced in their thinking and technology much of it lost to time with only pieces for us to put together. It wouldn't surprise me if some ancient civilization did know about DNA or had an idea though right now their isn't any evidence that I know of that such a thing was known but remember most of ancient knowledge was lost with the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria and the fall of the Roman Empire. It took us hundreds to thousands of year to just rediscover how to make simple things like glass and concrete that ancient civilization knew how to create.

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:

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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012

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What does that mean? Is the planet going to come to Earth? Cross orbits? I'm a bit confused by the wording.

Also - is the planet X in this theory the same one that was discovered beyond Pluto (although both could be more accurately referred to as planetoids)? Or is it a new one that will be discovered in 2012?

Ok. I was serious. Can I make a joke about L. Ron Hubbard now?

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.

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Ah, I see. The planet X's (planets X?) are not the same. Thank you for the explanation.

Although to remain on the other side of the sun and not be visible to Earth at any time, wouldn't planet X need to be on the same orbit?

Regarding end of time scenarios, I hadn't heard about the Super Volcano, but that does seem more plausible than the arrival of planet X.

Personally, I'm kind of worried about the rate of glacial melt. Whether it's the result of global warming or not - there seems to be something happening. And the possible scenarios drawn up for the next 20 years don't look promising.

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
There is a lot more involved then my small explanation so if you're really interested you can easily do a google and search and find a lot of info on it.

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Some believe that Planet X isn't the actual cause of the events but just a sign of what is to come. Some believe that it could simply be a comet and a lot of ancient and even modern day belief that comets are a sign of evil. Some believe that the new planets discovered past Pluto are the sign.

A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
William Hartnell, actually.

As for the *ahem* non-religion *ahem* described, the science is horrible. Just as a start, if this mysterious planet were so far out from the sun as to take 3,600 years for one orbit, its gravitational effect on the Earth would be too miniscule to measure; there's no way it could set off natural disasters.

It sounds like bad science fiction from the pulp era. Try googling "The Shaver Mystery" sometime if you like this sort of weirdness. Or any scientology literature.

Me, I'm gonna slip in my DVD copy of "Evil Brain from Outer Space" and veg out. Later.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
All my hopes, PJ, for a serious reply from someone, your thread seems to have called out the Goof Detail.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Heya, PirateJenny,

Sorry you get all this derision when you show the simple courage to post some of your thoughts. Judging other people is something we do because we ourselves have been judged in the same way. All these folks who think your beliefs are frivolous or foolish or not even worth addressing in favor of cheap pop culture references, have themselves been judged as frivolous or foolish or not even worth addressing to the point where they don't even remember ever being so judged--it's no longer some parent's malicious opinion of them, now it's just the "way things are." They've internalized this stuff until now they simply and mechanically continue the cycle of ridicule, because it's "necessary" or because it's "the truth."

Very little has been said in the last 13 posts (Hi, Chrisisall!), but the same boring insult gets repeated over and over again. Pardon the blatant psychologizing, but I'm sick of this kind of knee-jerk malicious crap.

I'm very currious what about this material really sparks your imagination. Y'know, what in particular about this information rings true for you? When did it come together for you? Had you been thinking along similar lines before you got ahold of Zecharia Stitchen, or did the whole thing come as a surprise when you picked up his book?

My own research into this kind of material has lead me to be very skeptical of the details of the situation with the Annunaki and their ilk. Seriously, if history is written by the victors, what kind of history are you gonna get out of galactic overlords? So the part about humans being genetically engineered by these "gods" strikes me as delusions of grandeur. Like all exploiter cultures, they're not gonna do anything to us that they don't absolutely have to in order to get their way. Mind control's a lot cheaper.

HKCavalier

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
I think the problem Jenny is that it's a wee bit too silly for people to grasp. You see planets orbit stars for a reason and that reason is gravity. The further out you go the weaker the gravity holding something in orbit becomes. For something to have an orbit that large it would have to go a very long way out from the sun, so far in fact that there wouldn't be enough of the sun's gravity left at that distance to pull it back into the solar system and the planet would just float away.

That's the nubb of the problem, if the first establishing premise of a theory is scientifically impossible then it stops being a theory and becomes myth. You may find folks willing to discuss this as myth but as a serious descussion.... no.

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:

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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012

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What does that mean? Is the planet going to come to Earth? Cross orbits? I'm a bit confused by the wording.

Also - is the planet X in this theory the same one that was discovered beyond Pluto (although both could be more accurately referred to as planetoids)? Or is it a new one that will be discovered in 2012?

Ok. I was serious. Can I make a joke about L. Ron Hubbard now?

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Does he expound a new and exciting understanding of the workings of gravitation in one? If not then I dont need to read it to know it's bunk. If someone starts a book with "my family sailed to the US on the Titanic in 1921" I know from the openning sentence I'm reading fiction. Fiction dressed as fact has never interested me.

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Originally posted by freeradical42:
Eh, for some reason the entire scientific establishment disagrees with this. That's probably why people are attracted to it.

But pseudoscience and pseudotheology are still one and the same thing. I can say whatever I want, and it's still unconfirmable and therefore not really worth talking to other people about, you're just going to get backlash.

I could go through a whole bunch of reasons as to why there are errors with what you said in your post, but honestly you don't want me to do that and I don't want to do that to you.

If, by some chance, you do, just let me know.

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Simply put, your Planet X doesnt exist. It is a scientific impossibility.

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Originally posted by reaverman:
I'll believe it when I see it. I've already wasted enough of my life believing in "God". Bring me solid evidence that any of the alternative religions are true, and I might be inclined to believe.

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Originally posted by freeradical42:
Eh, for some reason the entire scientific establishment disagrees with this. That's probably why people are attracted to it.

But pseudoscience and pseudotheology are still one and the same thing. I can say whatever I want, and it's still unconfirmable and therefore not really worth talking to other people about, you're just going to get backlash.

I could go through a whole bunch of reasons as to why there are errors with what you said in your post, but honestly you don't want me to do that and I don't want to do that to you.

If, by some chance, you do, just let me know.

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not really worth talking to other people about because you say so, I think not, after all who are you?] why would you care about what I said to give reason as to why there are errors, I agree that what I said probably didn't make that much sense to anyone who isn't familar with Zecharia Stitchen's work, but that wasn't my purpose for posting this thread, it wasn't so someone could prove me right or wrong really it has very little to do with me at all, no my purpose was to discuss Zecharias work, and to have a dialogue about other views and opinions.you might have something intresting to say but from what you posted I'm sure I'd never know, and I think given an option I'd be more apt to take Mr. stitchen's insight and knowlege over yours anyday.

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
It has an eliptical orbit, and comes pretty close to the earth, not bad science at all.

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Originally posted by reaverman:
Plus, if it took 3600 years, its orbit would be extremely long and very thin. Plnets cant turn on a dime. If it went so far out that it would take that many years to get back, it's gone. It ain't comin' back from that, because the sun's gravity is next to nothing out there. It would just keep drifting and drifting...

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The Oort cloud is an immense spherical cloud surrounding the planetary system and extending approximately 3 light years, about 30 trillion kilometers from the Sun. This vast distance is considered the edge of the Sun's orb of physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence.

Within the cloud, comets are typically tens of millions of kilometers apart. They are weakly bound to the sun, and passing stars and other forces can readily change their orbits, sending them into the inner solar system or out to interstellar space.

The Oort cloud is the source of long-period comets and possibly higher-inclination intermediate comets that were pulled into shorter period orbits by the planets, such as Halley and Swift-Tuttle. Comets can also shift their orbits due to jets of gas and dust that rocket from their icy surface as they approach the sun. Although they get off course, comets do have initial orbits with widely different ranges, from 200 years to once every million years or more. Comets entering the planetary region for the first time, come from an average distance of 44,000 astronomical units.

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Originally posted by citizen:
So how did the ancient Sumerians know about DNA?

Also saying "you don't know what you're talking about" when someone refutes the possibillity of a planet X because they haven't read your source material does not a logical argument make. You say you want an intelligent debate on the subject, but at the moment you seem to want people to turn up and say "PirateJenny is right!".

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Originally posted by danfan:
And one other thing. In my post, where I said that the Sun's gravitational influence extended "infinitely," I don't think that's entirely accurate... at least that's not universally accepted.

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It has an eliptical orbit, and comes pretty close to the earth, not bad science at all.

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But an eliptical orbit that would take 3600 years to complete is impossible to maintain. As I said before, planets don't turn on a dime. If this planet existed, it would drift out to the end of it's orbit and just keep going. At the distances we're talking about, the suns gravity field is not strong enough to hold a planet.

Plus, we would easily spot any such planet, because its orbit is so long. It would be visible every year, for most of the year. PLANET X DOESN"T EXIST. IT HAS NEVER EXISTED, AND IT WILL NEVER EXIST.



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Originally posted by nuclearday:
Sounds like an interesting idea, piratejenny. (Heck, it ain't any more far-fetched than Scientology or the cult that formed around Heinlein's "Stanger in a Strange Land." :) I'm always on the lookout for more reading material, I may have to look up some of those books. Me, I'm just a sucker for interesting ideas. I could care less about which views are correct (and think "truth" might be a bit more subjective and liquid than we think,) so long as they spark thought and debate of some sort.

Far as the Mayan calendar goes: well I ain't exactly a well-read intellectual ;p (Most of my science comes from magazines, documentaries on cable, and Isaac Asimov's non-fiction.) So any of my opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt: but as I understand it, it's not supposed to be THE end in 2012, as much as AN end. Cyclical, right? Like the death card in the tarot. Frell, 2012 could be the best year ever far as I know.

Just in case, though, here's a link I always liked. For when that big nuclear war comes around ;) It was originally for researching some science fiction of my own, and it's... somewhat out-dated by now. But it's the most comprehensive and easy-to-read manual on survival a nuclear attack that I've been able to find: http://www.oism.org/nwss

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