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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
they back the dollar with debt

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Originally posted by rue:
I love the look of gold - any kind, white, yellow, pink - and platinum. What I've been told is if you are a numismatist you should collect for pleasure and not as an investment.

edited to add: I have large investments in the Euro and am looking into a way to invest in the yuan.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Any paper currency is inferior to precious metal coins. It is only as good as the government that backs it up, and these days the U.S. is highly suspect in that regard.

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
That is the case, but precious metal coins are worthless except for the value that we put on them, water is more precious then any metal, The U.S is a rich self-sustaining country. or rather being able to self sustain oursleves makes this country rich. The fact that any country's currency is based off of anything that is truly worthless like precious metal or paper should be highly suspect.


Yes paper money is good to barter with but its only representive of real value, and that value isn't some precious metal..that value is your time and energy, the food you can produce and that you eat, the clothes that you can make and wear.etc..etc...it really has nothing to do with any coins..thats a delusion!!

I guess what I'm saying is the U.S could stop backing an printing money tommrow and the country could still function basically as it does right now!!

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
That is the case, but precious metal coins are worthless except for the value that we put on them, water is more precious then any metal, The U.S is a rich self-sustaining country. or rather being able to self sustain oursleves makes this country rich. The fact that any country's currency is based off of anything that is truly worthless like precious metal or paper should be highly suspect.


Yes paper money is good to barter with but its only representive of real value, and that value isn't some precious metal..that value is your time and energy, the food you can produce and that you eat, the clothes that you can make and wear.etc..etc...it really has nothing to do with any coins..thats a delusion!!

I guess what I'm saying is the U.S could stop backing an printing money tommrow and the country could still function basically as it does right now!!

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Actually I think you'll find it couldn't.

A big reason for that is debt, individuals and the Government alike are in debt, you can't be in debt without an abstract quantity, you can't have less than no sheep, but you can have less than no Dollars.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

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Originally posted by PirateJenny:
I see what your saying about the debt, but if its based off a precious metal such as gold, its still based off something that has no real intrinsic value except for the illusional one that we place on it. That gold is still in actuality represntative of real value,..real value is those tangible things such as natural resources, the U.S is a country rich in natural resources.

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"It's not counterfeit money," concurs Ron Legan, Special Agent in Charge (SAC) of the Seattle, Wash., Secret Service field office. Having investigated this regulatory matter closely, he concludes that the silver certificates are well within the highly restrictive boundaries of American monetary guidelines. "We determined there wasn’t a federal currency violation," he explains. Although Legan concedes to being "skeptical" of NORFED, he admits there have been no "defrauds" or "complaints" filed against the political organization.
www.libertydollar.org/html/articles/nelson.htm

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"Mexico had its election this week. It's the first election where every voter voted by absentee ballot."
-Jay Leno, NBC Tonight Show, July 2006

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THE GHOSE FROM VALLEY FORGE

I had a dream the other night I didn't understand,
A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.
His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood there by my bed,
He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low he said:

"We fought a revolution to secure our liberty,
We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.
For future generatons, this legacy we gave,
In this, the land of the free and home of the brave.

The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,
But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.
Your freedom gone - your courage lost - you're no more than a slave,
In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent,
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent.

Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate,
Your moral values can't be taught, according to the state.
You read about the current "news" in a very biased press,
You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the IRS.

Your money is no longer made of silver or of gold,
You trade your wealth for paper, so life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our Nation turn from God to shame,
You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name.

You've given government control to those who do you harm,
So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm.
And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
Harass your fellow countryman while corrupted courts prevail.

Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they're sworn,
Your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born.
Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores,
And send your sons and daughters to fight other peoples' wars.

Can you regain your Freedom for which we fought and died?
Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?
Are there no more values for which you'll fight to save?
Or do you wish your children live in fear and be a slave?

Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!
Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!
Preserve our Republic, and each God-given right!
And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright!"

As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came,
His words were true, we are not free, and we have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right,
We only watch and tremble -- too afraid to stand and fight.

If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you're asleep,
and wondered what remains of your right he fought to keep.
What would be your answer if he called out from the grave?
Is this still the land of the free and home of the brave?

by Author Unknown

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Put yourself on the silver standard and the gold standard. I've been waiting for someone to comment on this, but apparently no member of this forum is literate on this topic.

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Originally posted by piratenews:
The problem is not the prevention of inflation, it's that the US Govt sold all its gold to the British Lord Rothschilds. So USA can't go back to a gold standard when Fort Knox is empty, and has never been audited.

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