Is this hat racist? by Succatash

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Is this hat racist?

POSTED BY: SUCCATASH
UPDATED: Friday, July 7, 2006 12:02
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Thursday, July 6, 2006 5:33 AM

Is this hat racist?

http://www.costumecraze.com/HAT10.html

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"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 6:20 AM

SEVENPERCENT

I looked, but then I saw something else cool and decided, who cares? Frankly, I want the Village People hats they advertise farther down the page.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 6:57 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 9:39 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Succatash:
Is this hat racist?

http://www.costumecraze.com/HAT10.html

I love watermellon. I wear hats. If eating a watermellon while wearing a hat is not racist, then certainly wearing a watermellon hat cannot be racist unless depicted eating fried chicken while wearing said hat...

H

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 12:15 PM

CITIZEN

Is there some reason why it would be?

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 1:04 PM

WASHBURNEFAN

It's a cool hat, no matter who wears it, but I can see how it can be seen as racist. My two cents: No the hat is not racist, but the photographer is.

Hahaha! Mine is an evil laugh... Now die!

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 1:33 PM

BSCPANTHERFAN

Is that the Amos of "famous Amos" cookie fame? If so, kudos for him finding other things to do after his cookie name was stolen from him.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 2:23 PM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by washburnefan:
My two cents: No the hat is not racist, but the photographer is.

I don't see it? Is there some significance to this kind of hat?

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 3:40 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/picaninny/

The picaninny was the dominant racial caricature of Black children for most of this country's history. They were "child coons," miniature versions of Stepin Fetchit (see the section on the coon caricature). Picaninnies had bulging eyes, unkempt hair, red lips, and wide mouths into which they stuffed huge slices of watermelon. They were themselves tasty morsels for alligators. They were routinely shown on postcards, posters, and other ephemera being chased or eaten. Picaninnies were portrayed as nameless, shiftless natural buffoons running from alligators and toward fried chicken.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 4:25 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Yes, I am afraid that it is a might on the questionable side.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 4:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Is this hat racist?

http://www.costumecraze.com/HAT10.html

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"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

Nope. Poor taste ? Maybe. But not racist.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 8:15 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Not sure what to do with that question since the hat is inanimate. I think of racism as a human trait.

So something more like this:

Is the designer of this hat a racist?
Are those who purchase this hat racist?

And my answer to those questions are: not enough information. Alternatively, it depends on the motivation of the person who made the hat - which we can't know - or the motivation of the person buying the hat - which we also can't know.

Let's try this on for size. If I buy this hat to give to a black friend because, "Hey. He's black. They all like watermelon. It's a good joke, see. They like watermelon so much they wear watermelon clothing." That's not cool. Likelihood of this example occurring, however, is pretty low, IMO.

So, like many real world questions, the answer is: it depends.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 8:18 PM

SHADOWFLY

Pathetic

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 9:18 PM

HKCAVALIER

As the grandchild of Irish immigrants I have a strange relationship to racism. Far as I can see, Irish people are among the most self-racist people on earth. Take a good look at the next cute li'l leprechaun you see--it's a cute li'l ethnic stereotype of an Irishman. The way we Irish people decorate our homes on St. Pat's day is kinda like it would be if black people put Picannini's on their walls and dressed up like watermellons during Black History Month. I have relatives who dress up in potato costumes, fer Pete's sake! It's all a li'l disgusting.

So, is the hat racist? I'm gonna say, heck yeah, on account of because it would not exist if not for the ethnic stereotype it references. Surely, someone could make a watermellon hat in Kazakhstan, having never even seen a black American, but then Tash would not be posting about it.

And for those literalists in the audience, I'll adjust my statement to say that the context in which the watermellon hat has any special significance is racist.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, July 6, 2006 10:31 PM

SOUPCATCHER

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, is the hat racist? I'm gonna say, heck yeah, on account of because it would not exist if not for the ethnic stereotype it references. Surely, someone could make a watermellon hat in Kazakhstan, having never even seen a black American, but then Tash would not be posting about it.

After reading your post and Rue's, I'm convinced.

Oh, and am I the literalist? Am I? Am I? It gets the engineer in me all happy.

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Friday, July 7, 2006 2:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Anything can be racist (or otherwise discriminatory), if either the user or the subject want it to be.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, July 7, 2006 10:01 AM

GEEKMAFIA

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
As the grandchild of Irish immigrants I have a strange relationship to racism. Far as I can see, Irish people are among the most self-racist people on earth. Take a good look at the next cute li'l leprechaun you see--it's a cute li'l ethnic stereotype of an Irishman. The way we Irish people decorate our homes on St. Pat's day is kinda like it would be if black people put Picannini's on their walls and dressed up like watermellons during Black History Month. I have relatives who dress up in potato costumes, fer Pete's sake! It's all a li'l disgusting.

Self... racist? more like national pride, man. i'm not sure about your potato costume relatives but the majority of irish people don't go out on paddy's day to say "look we're wee little leprechaun people" it's a celebration of Ireland as an individual nation different from all others.It would be different if st. patricks day was only celebrated outside of ireland by foreigners caricaturing irish people but this is where irish people in ireland and abroad celebrate what it means to be irish and the idea of how we really like that we are irish, since when has that been racist?
St patricks day is no-more self racism than the 4th of july or bastille day.

apologies for the threadjack and no, i don't think the hat is racist in itself but i could understand how in certain circumstances people could take offence.

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:02 PM

MILGRAM

So... you're saying Watermelons themselves are racist?
I can see how someone could interpret it as racist; or if someone bought it for the reasons Soupcatcher said, that would be racist. But the chances that this hat was created as a racist object? Pretty damn low. On the same page, you have advertisements for hats made to look like chickens, beer mugs, dice, soccer balls, everything. This is just another silly hat.

I have another question. Is this hat racist: http://www.costumecraze.com/HAT11.html?addonfrom=HAT10&PHPSESSID=f0fa7
cc07e4a7bdace2a475d48af29e3 ? Why or why not?

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