Looks like Russians don't hold back by Khyron

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I don't disagree with any particular point, sir...

I wonder if they'll tell us how the REALLY feel about her!

"Mrs. Nobody-know-it-all shrieking cow" - Gee, I hope nobody in the McCain campaign gets offended!

Mike

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:43 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

I wouldn't have used those *exact* words, but otherwise...

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:15 AM

Reminds me of how the scoffed about Reagan...till the wall fell.

If the Russians, Europeans, OR Liberals hate you...you must be doing something right.

If the Russians, Europeans, AND Liberals hate you...you must be doing everything right.

H

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:48 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Reminds me of how the scoffed about Reagan...till the wall fell.

If the Russians, Europeans, OR Liberals hate you...you must be doing something right.

If the Russians, Europeans, AND Liberals hate you...you must be doing everything right.

H

And if the world economy is collapsing around your ears, you KNOW you're "Right." ;)

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:53 AM

Didn't the Russian's, Europeans and Liberals have a bit of a downer on Hitler?

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:59 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Didn't the Russian's, Europeans and Liberals have a bit of a downer on Hitler?

Actually they loved Hitler. He was so resonable. Non-aggression pacts, 'peace in our time' and all...

H

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Actually they loved Hitler. He was so resonable. Non-aggression pacts, 'peace in our time' and all...

Revisionist history is just a way of life for you, isn't it?

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:09 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And if the world economy is collapsing around your ears....

...you might be a redneck.

BTW, when did the world economy come crashing down? I was ready my copy of The Great Depression: America 1929-1941 by Robert Mcelvaine so I must have missed it...

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-America-1929-1941/dp/0812923278
/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221761172&sr=1-1

H

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:18 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Revisionist history is just a way of life for you, isn't it?

Actually I cited two events to support my thesis. One, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a non-aggression Pact between the Soviet Union and Germany. The other was the phrase "peace for our time" spoken by British Prime Minister Chamberlain in regards to the Munich Agreement that was signed in 1938 to guarrantee that no war would come to Europe.

I cited history, you didn't. I win.

H

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:26 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
I cited history, you didn't. I win.

Ok, the Second World War starting in 1939.

The Brownshirts of America. Henry Ford. American Corporate support of the Nazi war machine? I guess American's liked the Nazi's most of all...

I cited more history I Win. Thanks for playing

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:44 AM

I'm glad to see the liberals finally disclosing their source of talking points. I would have though the DNC but Pravda doesn't surprise me. Maybe Obama could use that Pravda article in a television commercial against Palin sense he's given up running against McCain and is now running against Palin.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:46 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm glad to see the liberals finally disclosing their source of talking points. I would have though the DNC but Pravda doesn't surprise me. Maybe Obama could use that Pravda article in a television commercial against Palin sense he's given up running against McCain and is now running against Palin.

True, pravda isn't great. Though to be fair it's less biased and more trustworthy than either FOX News or Rush Limbaugh, where American Conservatives get all their talking points...

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I guess Chuck Hagel must be a comunist-liberal

Top Republican says Palin unready
Quote:
Senior Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has voiced doubts about Sarah Palin's qualifications for the vice-presidency. John McCain's running mate "doesn't have any foreign policy credentials", Mr Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald.

Mr Hagel was a prominent supporter of Mr McCain during his 2000 bid for the US presidency, but has declined to endorse either candidate this year. He was opposed to the Iraq War, and recently joined Mr McCain's rival Barack Obama on a Middle East trip.

'Stop the nonsense'
"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Mr Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald newspaper. And he was dismissive of the fact that Mrs Palin, the governor of Alaska, has made few trips abroad. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything." Mr Hagel also criticised the McCain campaign for its suggestion that the proximity of Alaska to Russia gave Mrs Palin foreign policy experience.

"I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia'," he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people." A senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr Hagel was a close ally of Mr McCain, but the two men parted company over the decision to go to war in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7623771.stm

BTW- It appears that the Pravda writers have a better command of the English language than some of our very own knuckle-draggers. I thought the article was a hoot!

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I guess Chuck Hagel must be a comunist-liberal

Hagel neither a Liberal or Conservative, he's a political opportunist. His positions are only based on which way the wind is blowing.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Ok, the Second World War starting in 1939.

It started in 1936 with the Japanese invasion of China.

H

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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he's a political opportunist

I haven't followed his career, but it seems he made at least ONE good, if unpopular decision!

ETA: I looked at his voting record. He seems very solidly conservative, which makes his opposition to the Iraq war even more unusual, as it was NOT a popular decision among conservatives

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
It started in 1936 with the Japanese invasion of China.

H

I think you'll find the War with the Nazis started in 1939 with the invasion of Poland, which is the commonly held start date for the second world war, because there wasn't a world wide war up until that point.

Besides, the Second Japanese-Sino war started in 1937.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm glad to see the liberals finally disclosing their source of talking points. I would have though the DNC but Pravda doesn't surprise me. Maybe Obama could use that Pravda article in a television commercial against Palin sense he's given up running against McCain and is now running against Palin.

Yes, much as I haven't been a bit surprised to find that the right-wing loons are getting their talking points from Hitler, Stalin, and other notable fascists. "A lie repeated often enough becomes true" is but one of their lessons learned from their heroes.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:03 PM

Hell, no fewer than FIVE die-hard conservative columnists have come right out and said that McCain screwed the pooch (No, that's not a sexist comment; I'm not referring to Palin here).

I suppose they're all "liberal communists" too...

What the NeoCons love most about Palin is the exact same thing they loved most about Bush - there's no ideology there to speak of. What you have is an empty vessel that you can pour full of your own particular brand of Kool-Aid. That's why they're falling all over themselves tyring to get to Palin, so they can turn her into Bush Mk. IV (McCane is already Bush Mk. III)

Mike

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm glad to see the liberals finally disclosing their source of talking points. I would have though the DNC but Pravda doesn't surprise me. Maybe Obama could use that Pravda article in a television commercial against Palin sense he's given up running against McCain and is now running against Palin.

Yes, much as I haven't been a bit surprised to find that the right-wing loons are getting their talking points from Hitler, Stalin, and other notable fascists. "A lie repeated often enough becomes true" is but one of their lessons learned from their heroes.

You are wrong again as usual Kwicko. It's the Dems that get their ideas from the Stalin and Hitler, just look at the 1968 gun control act, it's almost an exact copy of the 1938 gun control act that the Nazis used to disarmed the Jews. I'm sure Stalin would be proud of the Dems current effort to stifle free speech by bringing back the "fairness doctrine". If the Dems cant win in the free market of ideas they just win by shutting down the speech they don't agree with. Isn't that what the USSR/Russia have been doing with Pravda our entire lifetimes.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Isn't that what the USSR/Russia have been doing with Pravda our entire lifetimes.

Republicans with Fox News would have been a better comparison. If any party in America is guilty of stifling debate it's the Republicans. Maybe the Democrats try, but it's the Republicans that succeed.

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:28 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I've always found it an irony that Pravdas actual journalism is in fact significantly better than our mainstream papers these days, who mostly do naught other the copy/paste each others copy/pastes of official press releases and never bother any more to actually investigate cause they might wind up like Amy Goodman.

And while I don't discount that certain elements of the Democrat agenda do match with ole Adolph's brand of National Socialism...

No one else seems to have the guts to point out that much of the Republican agenda matches Mussolini's, do they ?

When you view it from a distance, the end points of either fucking ideology are close enough that they appear as a single dot to me.

It's the same Feudo-Fascist-Federalist crap, pushed by the same type of shitheels, that's been going on since this founding of this nation, and barring a real change in our social and ethical standards and mores, these people are gonna be there, in numbers, as long as politics exist.

And even if that real change occurs, they'll still be there, just in smaller numbers.

But without gullible, cowardly little milquetoasts who run and cling to them in fear of the pathetic boogeymen they use to try and frighten us into compliance, they got nothing.

They're just one more loudmouth asshole with a "plan" - and absolutely powerless to carry it out without the sympathisers and collaborators required to put it into action.

Taking them seriously is the first foolish step in falling under their dominion, and wiser folk refuse to do it - and for that alone, this Pravda editorial is worthy of respect.

For mine own, I am angry at those people with a "plan" sure - but they are what they are, that ain't gonna change no time soon...

But I am bitterly furious at the fools who give them power, like Saruman to Sauron, like Wormtongue to Saruman, the people who cause untold destruction by being the arm of that power out of fear and cowardice combined with plain gullible stupidity.

They are the bullets in tyranny's gun, and I have no respect for them whatever, and never have.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I guess Chuck Hagel must be a comunist-liberal

Hagel neither a Liberal or Conservative, he's a political opportunist. His positions are only based on which way the wind is blowing.

How would you characterize Phil Gramm? Political opportunist? Positions based solely on which way the winds blow?

Mike

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:17 AM

ELVISCHRIST

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

How would you characterize Phil Gramm? Political opportunist? Positions based solely on which way the winds blow?

Seems like when someone asks a tough question, a lot of people just disappear and refuse to even address it, much less answer it.

I noticed Hero did the same thing when questioned about the Palins dodging an investigation that they originally "welcomed".

Curious.

EC

If the prefix "pro-" means "for" or "in favor of", and "con" is its opposite, and if "progress" means "pushing forward" or "improving"... then what the hell does "Congress" mean?

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rapo does the same with the economy and the UN approving the Iraq invasion, Finn does the same with the Iraq WMD being an imminent threat (or any of the other contradictions he manages to drag around in his mental toolkit.)

If you never recognize your mistakes, how do you ever learn?

Never, apparently!

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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:02 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

It's a sad day when the Russian media is more accurate than our castrated media mafia.

Oh that's right, the "alternative" (real) media is USA has been 100% accurate on these points since the beginning.

www.republicbroadcasting.org
www.gcnlive.com
www.wtprn.com

"You can't stop the signal!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:04 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

How would you characterize Phil Gramm? Political opportunist? Positions based solely on which way the winds blow?

Seems like when someone asks a tough question, a lot of people just disappear and refuse to even address it, much less answer it.

I noticed Hero did the same thing when questioned about the Palins dodging an investigation that they originally "welcomed".

Curious.

EC

I hate to keep reminding everyone that I'm not a Republican, and don't feel the need to condemn/condone the actions of every Republican. Chuck Hagel has always just kind of pissed me off because he's so undependable. I understand that he comes from a relatively poor state that leans to the liberal side on some issues. He probably pretty well represents the views of his constituency, but just become a Democrat if your a lib, quit pretending to be a conservative. I would say the same to those in the Republican party that want Joe Lieberman to switch to the GOP, why would they want someone in their party that's a complete lib on everything but the war.

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