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The fact that they hire gays and minorites makes the BAAADDD. OOOHHHHhhhh ... And the former empire acknowledges other cultures .... GASP ! UNTHINKABLE!

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Originally posted by rue:
"'Nearly everyone ... agreed they (kosher food, the Archbishop of Canterbury, a Bible and the Koran) could all be thrown into the bin, except the Koran for fear of offending Muslims.'
This does seem to convey an impression of either bias or cowardice." - Geezer

What would be more offensive to a christian - throwing a bible in the dustbin or using a crucifix as a dildo? You have to pick your examples to make sure they are equivalent. - Rue

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Originally posted by kaneman:
"At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians."

"The BBC is believed to be taking a more critical look at itself because it fears if it does not, its regulation could be removed from its board of governors and handed over to the independent regulator Ofcom."

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Originally posted by Geezer:

"BTW. "Crucifix as a dildo"? Now why did that example pop into your head first? Experience? Naughty Rue!

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Ah, nothing better than a little misdirection from a liberal to know there is truth to something. Jesus Citz, I thought better of you. Who knew you would stoop so low, you little dog. What a wiley coyote you are becoming, so sneaky and hard to get a bead on... wow! Say hello to Ruse while you are down there.......

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Here's the best link I could find. Still seems that they are admitting to bias. In this, they are admitting that they're like every other news outlet in the world. I stll enjoy the BBC website, I just know I have to accept that they have a viewpoint they're supporting.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23371617-details/We+are+bia
sed%252C+admit+the+stars+of+BBC+News/article.do

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Saying "the media has a left slanted bias" is not saying anything at all, just like saying "the church has a right slanted bias" Sure, the counter argument "the media does not have a left slanted bias" is sillier.

But this was all dealt with in an earlier thread where we concluded that the cause of slants is where people put their effort

Media: Left
Education: Left
Church: Right
Business: Right

etc.

Conservatives tend to take up faith and business and other pursuits which fit their interests. Liberals take up teaching or reporting and things which fit their interests. Presto bias-o. It's not a big conspiracy, it's self-fulfillment.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
As does Fox news, any media source these days needs to be taken with a grain of salt...

or better yet, read many of them and form your own opinion. It would be rare to find two individuals with identical viewpoints on everything... the contrast makes life interesting.

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Business runs the media.

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American conservatives have this whole "victim" schtick down cold.

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I just see people who have been in absolute power a little too long corrupted absolutely.

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I think one of the only generalizations you can make is that a majority of the most powerful and wealthy individuals and corporations support the Republicans because they know they get more welfare that way.

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Oh, and that a majority of African American voters support the Democratic Party because they know where all the racists ended up after the sixties.

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And that the media which isn't actively working for a permanent Republican majority (which is most of talk radio, Fox, the publications of the Reverend Moon, the Wall Street Journal and now Disney and ABC among others) is so scared of being labelled as "liberal" that they will bend over backwards to pass along conservative talking points.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I see the same media, and think that they are terrified, even in the right press, of violating the cannon of liberal and "PC" that even the right is left. Sure, there are more conservatives now than there were, but it's still a liberal message machine.

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Oh, and what had Bush done that you consider liberal? You don't like him so you'd rather put him in the political spectrum you like to hate, but other than making government bigger(which has nothing to do with liberal agenda but may be a liberal side-effect), what else can you possibly site that qualifies him?

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The problem, imho, with your position, is that you're calculating everything in dollar terms. This isn't how the world works. Those thinktanks didn't come into existance because someone had a bunch of dollars and said "hey, lets create a think tank." They came into being because a bunch of academics said "let become a think tank" and then they went around and cut deals with people until they found someone to fund them.

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Is it that the offended Muslims are considered more likely to cause trouble?

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Of course they are. Everyone is. They're still just about the best single source out there.

A more pertinent question (and one you continue to ignore I might add) is why you give other sources (NBC, ABC, FOX et al) a free pass despite being worse and despite not caring whether they are biased or not (which by virtue of saying nothing on them and making out this to be such a big deal is exactly what you are doing).

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Originally posted by citizen:

A more pertinent question (and one you continue to ignore I might add) is why you give other sources (NBC, ABC, FOX et al) a free pass despite being worse and despite not caring whether they are biased or not (which by virtue of saying nothing on them and making out this to be such a big deal is exactly what you are doing).

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"Of course they are. Everyone is." Interesting rationale. So if, say, the US were torturing a few prisoners(But not to death or permanent physical injury, mostly), and many other countries routinely tortured and killed many prisoners, it would be OK for the US to continue it's lesser torture program?

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Maybe, as you so often do for the US, the BBC should be held to a higher standard, since it is one of the oldest and most respected news organizations in the world.

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Could it be that, for the most part, American broadcasters are biased towards money and that is acceptable, even encouraged, over here.

Where as the BBC is much like PBS, right? Some kinda' hybrid, semi-public, semi-state owned corporation?

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Originally posted by citizen:
You obviously missed it first time round so I'll restate it:

Nothing here is talking about the BBC's news coverage. That is this bias is about the BBC television programming, with specifically room 101 as a comedy show, not a news program, that's the bias they're talking about. Nothing to do with their journalism, so why, despite me pointing it out twice before and a third time here do you continue to say otherwise?

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Political pundit(edit:And BBC journalist) Andrew Marr said: 'The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It's a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias.'

Washington correspondent Justin Webb said that the BBC is so biased against America that deputy director general Mark Byford had secretly agreed to help him to 'correct', it in his reports. Webb added that the BBC treated America with scorn and derision and gave it 'no moral weight'.

Former BBC business editor Jeff Randall said he complained to a 'very senior news executive', about the BBC's pro-multicultural stance but was given the reply: 'The BBC is not neutral in multiculturalism: it believes in it and it promotes it.'

Head of news Helen Boaden disclosed that a Radio 4 programme which blamed black youths at a young offenders', institution for bullying white inmates faced the axe until she stepped in.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Please tell me that you don't equate having a point of view with torturing another human being?

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Their news reporting is still uncoloured by political and economic pressures, unlike their contemporaries.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Careful, I'm not the one twisting evidence into something it isn't, i.e. I'm not the one equating the content of a comedy program with the content of a news service.

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No, and you know it. You're just trying to change the subject. And it's interesting how bias in broadcasting has drifted into the benign "having a point of view." So I guess Fox isn't that bad, since they just have a point of view?

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I'm the one actually reading the statements by newspeople about bias in the news organization and managing to avoid going off half-cocked.

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"In one of a series of discussions, executives were asked to rule on how they would react if the controversial comedian Sacha Baron Cohen
) known for his offensive characters Ali G and Borat - was a guest on the programme Room 101.

On the show, celebrities are invited to throw their pet hates into a dustbin and it was imagined that Baron Cohen chose some kosher food, the Archbishop of Canterbury, a Bible and the Koran.

Nearly everyone at the summit, including the show's actual producer and the BBC's head of drama, Alan Yentob, agreed they could all be thrown into the bin, except the Koran for fear of offending Muslims."

This does seem to convey an impression of either bias or cowardice.

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equating a comedy show to be the same as a news service.

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Actually dear you're the one who pulled torture into the mix, not me. You changed the subject I replied.

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You're the one being intentionally baiting and intentionally attempting to paint the BBC as the most bias source, for reasons known only to yourself.

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Yeah the BBC is biased, I said that from the off, all news sources are and no source can not be, that's the why you should look at different sources, preferably higher quality ones, which doesn't include FOX news, and does include the BBC and Reuters as two examples.

Also I was replying to you, not the artical

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No. Just applying reducto ad absurdum to your contention that "if everyone does it, it must be all right."

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I think we've got a little pot & kettle thing going here...

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No. Just applying reducto ad absurdum to your contention that "if everyone does it, it must be all right."

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I said the continuing posturing by certain people here that makes out that the BBC is somehow the worst culprit...

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So geezer you say torture and bias are equivelent, which you use as proof that what I say false, it's still a logical fallacy.

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No. Just applying reducto ad absurdum to your contention that "if everyone does it, it must be all right."

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In answer to my question, "Is the BBC Biased"

Citizen:"Of course they are. Everyone is."

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I said the continuing posturing by certain people here that makes out that the BBC is somehow the worst culprit...

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And I once again ask you to provide one quote in this thread indicating that BBC is "the worst culprit".

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So geezer you say torture and bias are equivelent, which you use as proof that what I say false, it's still a logical fallacy.

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If you can't stop lying and intentionally trying to wind people up with your petty wise cracks maybe you shouldn't play.

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Hmm, you're the one claiming I state, "...that the BBC is somehow the worst culprit." and that "... torture and bias are equivelent." Both demonstrably lies to anyone who takes the time to read this entire thread.

Sorry, Citizen, you're just making smoke and firing chaff to try and make a clean getaway.


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Maybe we can start again, how's that. So What's this mean to you? We agree that the BBC has bias, lets go from there.

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