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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I looked thru this thread again..and yes a lot of support for Christmas...but did ya see all those weird posts about Satan, etc etc ??? And a lot of Christian & Jew bashing as well....pretty disgusting stuff.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I looked thru this thread again..and yes a lot of support for Christmas...but did ya see all those weird posts about Satan, etc etc ??? And a lot of Christian & Jew bashing as well....pretty disgusting stuff.

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Happy Holidays to you and all your folk.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm sure you've seen this. But if not.....

For My liberal Friends
"Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. We also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the generally accepted calendar year 2007, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. And without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishes. By accepting these greetings you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for herself or himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher."

For My Conservative Friends
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Okay. Based on this and HK's earlier response, my example is looking weaker and weaker. It probably says more about the culture of the church I grew up in than anything else. IIRC, foot washing and communion happened four times a year. Whether or not it was ever written out, it was understood that communion was for those who had been baptized. So, because I never chose to be baptized, I would participate in foot washing but not communion.

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Ah, Piratenews. Always good for a laugh.

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Chinese authorities bust `illegal' Christian meeting

AFP, BEIJING
Sunday, Aug 06, 2006

About 90 children and 40 underground Christians were detained briefly in eastern China after police raided a Sunday school teacher training session, a rights group and an official said on Friday.

Li Lizhong, 40, who provided his home for the meeting, and Cai Yili, 38, were given 15 days of detention, it said.

A staff member at the Gudian township police station confirmed the incident.

Re-education

"They were involved in illegal evangelism ... most have been released after re-education but two are still detained," an officer surnamed Guan said.

"Li Lizhong is always evangelizing illegally at his home so we have to educate him," he said.

China Aid Association said some Christians were beaten in the incident, and police confiscated a number of belongings including a computer, electric organ and loudspeakers.

www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/08/06/2003322041


Three Christians in China Secretly Executed

Xu Shuangfu, Li Maoxing and Wang Jun, leaders of the "Three Grades of Servants" underground church, were secretly executed for murder last week by the Chinese communist regime. Xu Shuangfu's attorney Li Heping received a phone call from the court and learned this news.

This case was internally referred to as the "Thunder No. 1" big case within the Ministry of Public Security. This case has involved as many as 63 people. It started in March 2003, and spread to Shandong, Jiangxi, Sichuan and another seven provinces. To date, 22 people have been sentenced to death, and 12 more people have been executed.

While being interviewed by The Epoch Times, Attorney Li Heping said, "Today the court called me to ask for my address, saying that they need to mail me the final judgment paper. I asked for the status of this case. The judge said that the people were executed last week. I was very shocked. We have not obtained the final judgment paper nor have the family members been able to see the defendants, but they have already been executed. This is indeed too out of control."

Neither the attorney nor the reporter could contact the family of Xu Shuangfu. According to some insiders, because Xu's sister exposed the torture her brother received in jail, she has been tortured to the point of mental breakdown and was arrested and detained in jail.

Li Maoxing's wife told The Epoch Times that she received the phone call from Shuangya Middle Court, telling her to go to the court immediately to get Li's ashes. She grieved, "I have not gone to get the ashes, I can't take this anymore, and I don't want to go anyway."

"Three Grades of Servants" is a denomination of the underground church in China, with a reported number of over half a million followers in China. The leader of the denomination, Xu Shuangfu, was accused of illegal missionary work and organizing evil cult activities and sent to a labor camp and sentenced to over ten years in prison.

This July, the first court hearing sentenced Xu Shuangfu and another three people to death. The other three were sentenced to 15 years in prison. From October 17 to 19, the Heilongjiang Provincial High Court held the second hearing on this case at the Shuangya Municipal Middle court.

Attorney Li Heping said, "All the defendants in this case were Christians. The defendants were accused of committing crimes while their religion was not mentioned. I think there is a problem here."

He said that the evidence presented was illegal, severely lacking and that the legal processes were not followed. Many defendants were seriously tortured while being interrogated. Xu Shuangfu and other defendants were tortured many times. Every time, the torture was aimed at forcing the defendant to admit to fabricated stories. If the defendant refused to admit, the torture would not stop. Sometimes, the defendant's hand was directly pulled to make a signature or fingerprint, and some were even tortured to death during the process.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-11-29/48739.html

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"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
-Leviticus 20:13, Holy Bible KJV
www.biblegateway.com

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McCain Bill Is Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom

Republican Senator John McCain has introduced legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards, effectively nixing the open exchange of ideas on the Internet, providing a lethal injection for unrestrained opinion, and acting as the latest attack tool to chill freedom of speech on the world wide web.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=634200
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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
No i do not celebrate either of those holidays. Good job you know me so well. I dont wear green on St. Patricks Day. And if someone pinches me for not, i get them back twice as hard. Halloween is just an excuse for kids to get candy from complete strangers, parents go out and party, and teens killing animals. Two holidays to where if you dont play along you pay the price.

Just curious here but what do you believe in?

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:
No i do not celebrate either of those holidays. Good job you know me so well. I dont wear green on St. Patricks Day. And if someone pinches me for not, i get them back twice as hard. Halloween is just an excuse for kids to get candy from complete strangers, parents go out and party, and teens killing animals. Two holidays to where if you dont play along you pay the price.

Just curious here but what do you believe in?

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I am pretty much a Realist/Agnostic. I only believe in what I can see, smell, taste, and touch. I personally don't need an invisible man who lives in the sky or a book to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I tend to live by the "golden rule," do on to others as you would have them do on to you. It's that simple.

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In fact, there is at least one culture (German) that has a name for this holiday season that has nothing to do with Christianity at all

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OK, I'll admit how ignorant I am. I believe you., but I've never heard it.

What DO they call it? and what does it mean?

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Oh yes religion has done an increadible job of just that. Lets see, how many wars have been caused by this?

-Lets start with the Crusades which occured off and on for 170 years between Christians and just about everybody else.

-Huguenot Wars in France between Protestants and Catholics which lasted for 30 years.

-The 30 Years War which started off as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics.

-Amost forgot about the Holocaust during WW2.

-IRA vs. Protestants in Ireland.

-Lets not forget pretty much the entire Middle East has been at war with each other over various things, mostly religion, for hundreds if not thousands of years which has spilled over into our borders with certain recent terrorist attacks.

These are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. I am not saying that all wars are the result of religious conflicts, but religion does seem to pop up in one way or the other in many of them.

I'll leave you with a quote from the movie Dogma that I like...

Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, but especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant.

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"The true name of Satan is, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahweh reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism and Idoltry. For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good; but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument for Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; hence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpant, and the Light-Bearer, or Phosphor of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend."
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", page 102
http://www.srmason-sj.org

"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", Masonic bible "Morals and Dogma", page 321
http://www.srmason-sj.org

“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”
-Mason Manley P. Hall, "The Lost keys of Freemasonry", page 48

"There is in nature a one most potent force, by means whereof a single man, who could posses himself of it, and should know how to direct it, could revolutionize and change the face of the world. It is a universal agent, whose supreme law is equilibrium; and whereby, if science can but learn how to control it, it can be possible to change the order of the seasons, to produce in night the phenomenon of day, to send a thought in an instant around the world, to heal or slay at a distance, to give our words universal success, and made them reverberate everywhere. The Gnostics held that it was adorned in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple, under the hieroglyphic figure of the Baphomet or the hermaphroditic goat of Mendes."
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", page 734
www.freedom-ministries.com/index.php?action=Confession_Leo_Taxilm_and_
Albert_Pike

"All religions issued from the Kabalah and return to it: everything scientific and grand in the dreams of the illuminati is borrow from the Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols. The Kabalah alone consecrates the allegiance of the Universal Reason and Devine Word. The Bible, with all the allegories it contains, expresses, in an incomplete and veiled manner only, the religious science of the Hebrews. Thus was a second Bible born, unknown to, or rather uncomprehended by, the Christians; a collection, they say, of monstrous absurdities; a monument, the adept says, wherein everything that the genius of philosophy and that of religion have ever formed or imagined of the sublime; a treasure surrounded by thorns; a diamond concelaed in a rough dark stone. One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sancuary of the Kabalah, at seeing doctrine so logical, so simple, and at the same time so absolute. The Absolute Deity, with the Kabalists, has no name. The terms applied to Him are the Most Simple Light. For then there was no space or vacant place, but all was infinite Light."
-General Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", page 744-5
http://www.srmason-sj.org

"I will obey all signs and summons handed to me by a chapter of Masons. I will assist a Mason when I see him engaged in any difficulty whether he be right or wrong. I promise and swear to forever conceal and never reveal any of the secrets of Masons or Masonry under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across from ear to ear, my tongue plucked out by the roots; my heart taken from under my left breast; my body cut across, my bowels taken out; my body dissected into four equal parts to hang and remain a terror to all those who shall presume to violate the sacred obligation of a Mason."
-Initiation rituals of Freemasonry, President John Quincy Adams, founder of Anti-Masonic Party, "Letters on Freemasonry"
http://texemars.com

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons, and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."
-Ronayne Handbook of Masonry, page 183

"A few weeks ago, someone at work noticed I was wearing a Masonic ring. The few questions he had seemed to show a genuine interest in the Fraternity, and I answered him frankly. Today, I ran into him again, and he asked me if I knew what the Illuminati were. I said it was a small rationalist group founded in Germany by Adam Weishaupt in 1776. He claimed the U.S. Government was controlled by Masons, that we were trying to bring everyone into a "New World Order," and that one of the reasons Afghanistan was fighting us was because they didn't want to become a New World Order country. According to him, even the streets in Washington, D.C., were laid out to form evil Masonic symbols; the eye on the back of the dollar bill is the eye of Satan placed there by Masons; George W. Bush is a Mason (which he's not); Bill Clinton is a Mason (wrong again), and that's why he escaped impeachment; there are hidden Degrees higher than the 33°, and Freemasons who hold these Degrees are dedicated to evil purposes, etc, etc., etc. Freemasons have long been accused of Satanic practices as seen in the ludicrous illustration right from Leo Taxil's The Mysteries of Freemasonry, 1897. Source: Archives of the Supreme Council, S.J., 33° "
-Joseph W. Moss II, 32°, Scottish Rite Journal, "I was called a Satanist today," February 2002
http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/journal-files/Issues/Feb02/moss.htm


Leo Taxil's The Mysteries of Freemasonry, 1897
www.grandeoriente.it/Archivio/1897RMITaxil.htm

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The design of most religions is to keep society from self destruction. It's a neverending war between criminals who want to hijack religion for mind control, and those who love life. Good vs evil. God vs Satan. Religion says there's God in everyone. Rabbi Jesus said that, so the Jewish rabbis murdered him with false accusations of treason against the Roman Empire, then declared war on all Christians.

The War for Xmas is a battle of Good vs Evil. But which side is Xmas on?

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Ah, Piratenews. Always good for a laugh.

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Your illiteracy is showing. Your critical thinking is DOA. Your googlefoo is kaput, since you're admittedly incapable to doing any research on your own, without being spoonfed. What a pathetic way to go through life, as a moron. I bet you never studied in skool, and only barely passed by cheating off other peoples' homework. Or do you really believe the entire internet is composed of only the links I posted?

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Chinese authorities bust `illegal' Christian meeting

AFP, BEIJING
Sunday, Aug 06, 2006

About 90 children and 40 underground Christians were detained briefly in eastern China after police raided a Sunday school teacher training session, a rights group and an official said on Friday.

Li Lizhong, 40, who provided his home for the meeting, and Cai Yili, 38, were given 15 days of detention, it said.

A staff member at the Gudian township police station confirmed the incident.

Re-education

"They were involved in illegal evangelism ... most have been released after re-education but two are still detained," an officer surnamed Guan said.

"Li Lizhong is always evangelizing illegally at his home so we have to educate him," he said.

China Aid Association said some Christians were beaten in the incident, and police confiscated a number of belongings including a computer, electric organ and loudspeakers.

www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/08/06/2003322041


Three Christians in China Secretly Executed

Xu Shuangfu, Li Maoxing and Wang Jun, leaders of the "Three Grades of Servants" underground church, were secretly executed for murder last week by the Chinese communist regime. Xu Shuangfu's attorney Li Heping received a phone call from the court and learned this news.

This case was internally referred to as the "Thunder No. 1" big case within the Ministry of Public Security. This case has involved as many as 63 people. It started in March 2003, and spread to Shandong, Jiangxi, Sichuan and another seven provinces. To date, 22 people have been sentenced to death, and 12 more people have been executed.

While being interviewed by The Epoch Times, Attorney Li Heping said, "Today the court called me to ask for my address, saying that they need to mail me the final judgment paper. I asked for the status of this case. The judge said that the people were executed last week. I was very shocked. We have not obtained the final judgment paper nor have the family members been able to see the defendants, but they have already been executed. This is indeed too out of control."

Neither the attorney nor the reporter could contact the family of Xu Shuangfu. According to some insiders, because Xu's sister exposed the torture her brother received in jail, she has been tortured to the point of mental breakdown and was arrested and detained in jail.

Li Maoxing's wife told The Epoch Times that she received the phone call from Shuangya Middle Court, telling her to go to the court immediately to get Li's ashes. She grieved, "I have not gone to get the ashes, I can't take this anymore, and I don't want to go anyway."

"Three Grades of Servants" is a denomination of the underground church in China, with a reported number of over half a million followers in China. The leader of the denomination, Xu Shuangfu, was accused of illegal missionary work and organizing evil cult activities and sent to a labor camp and sentenced to over ten years in prison.

This July, the first court hearing sentenced Xu Shuangfu and another three people to death. The other three were sentenced to 15 years in prison. From October 17 to 19, the Heilongjiang Provincial High Court held the second hearing on this case at the Shuangya Municipal Middle court.

Attorney Li Heping said, "All the defendants in this case were Christians. The defendants were accused of committing crimes while their religion was not mentioned. I think there is a problem here."

He said that the evidence presented was illegal, severely lacking and that the legal processes were not followed. Many defendants were seriously tortured while being interrogated. Xu Shuangfu and other defendants were tortured many times. Every time, the torture was aimed at forcing the defendant to admit to fabricated stories. If the defendant refused to admit, the torture would not stop. Sometimes, the defendant's hand was directly pulled to make a signature or fingerprint, and some were even tortured to death during the process.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-11-29/48739.html

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Cannibalism is rampant in Communist Chjina today, so a little Christianity is needed ASAP. The Communist govt cannibalizes all executed prisoners, and profits from the body parts sold for cosmetics and Frankenstein transplants. Factory slaves who fail their quotas for Xmas trees and gifts are marched behind the factory and a bullet fired into their brains. Smoke that in your Yule Log from Commie China Mart.

As for sodomites being put to death, that's in the Bible, Torah and Quran, as required for public health.

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"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
-Leviticus 20:13, Holy Bible KJV
www.biblegateway.com

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Good hunting at Bohemian Grove. The Grovers were the same homosexual employees of Congress, White House and Pentagon who manufactured the HIV bioweapon, injected into "promiscuous homosexual males" as a fake "hepatitis vaccine", to genocide the sodomites (and everybody else). By claiming homosexuality is normal, rape victims are denied medical treatment, and the pedophile network is protected from arrest.
www.aidsbiowar.com
www.boydgraves.com

Apparently you believe God is a Nazi. Though the swastika is an ancient Jewish symbol, and Hitler was a Jewish Rothschild (heir ot half the world's wealth), according to Jewish PhDs on History Channel and CSPAN.


Jewish Satanist Blavatsky was a Nazi. All top Nazis were Khazar AshkeNAZI non-Semitic Jews
www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-tm/hpbtm-hp.htm



www.reclaimtheswastika.com/photos/


Coronado Naval Base in USA
www.thepowerhour.com/press_release/press19.htm


US Dept of Homeland Security swastika by its director Jewish Israeli citizen Michael Chertoff

What's most disturbing about your insanity of denial or disinfo, is that when you see official photos of Bush worshipping Satan and performing "simulated" human sacrifice, you refuse to face that reality. That's nuts!

At the rate things are going, future Xmas celebrations will include sacrificing children to giant idols of Molech in every town and city... I wonder how many 10,000s of aborticides will occur THIS Holiday Season? Pagans must be most joyous...

Here's something you'll love for shearing the sheeple of their 1st Amendment right to think:

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McCain Bill Is Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom

Republican Senator John McCain has introduced legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards, effectively nixing the open exchange of ideas on the Internet, providing a lethal injection for unrestrained opinion, and acting as the latest attack tool to chill freedom of speech on the world wide web.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=634200
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Hero is drooling on himself already. McCain must be terrified someone will post videos of him gangraped in the Hanoi Hilton by his faggot commanding officers. Desktophippie must be dancing nekked around his fellow yule logs.



"There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater... the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public. You can't stop the signal. They can never stop the signal."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV, Serenity

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
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www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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By the way, since all this child sacrifice is going on all over America every day, how come more kids aren't reported missing? In fact, how come there aren't bodies everywhere? Have all records of them disappeared, along with the 9 million a year suffocated while cutting down Christmas trees?

Oh, and we don't dance naked in Ireland. It's cold and rainy here, and there are hedgehog issues. In fact, most of your opinions about Paganism sound like they come from the fevered imagination of someone who spends too much time in dark, stuffy rooms hunched over a computer reading strange websites and not enough time out in the nice, fresh air.

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By the way, since all this child sacrifice is going on all over America every day, how come more kids aren't reported missing? In fact, how come there aren't bodies everywhere? Have all records of them disappeared, along with the 9 million a year suffocated while cutting down Christmas trees?

Oh, and we don't dance naked in Ireland. It's cold and rainy here, and there are hedgehog issues. In fact, most of your opinions about Paganism sound like they come from the fevered imagination of someone who spends too much time in dark, stuffy rooms hunched over a computer reading strange websites and not enough time out in the nice, fresh air.

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Oh yes religion has done an increadible job of just that. Lets see, how many wars have been caused by this?

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