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Scientists have discovered a new and tiny species of human that lived in Indonesia at the same time our own ancestors were colonising the world.

The new species - dubbed "the Hobbit" due to its small size - lived on Flores island until at least 12,000 years ago.

The fact that the little people feature in the legends of modern Flores islanders suggests that we might have to take tales of Bigfoot and the Yeti more seriously.

Details of the sensational find are described in the journal Nature.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I read it was most likely a human with..ah, I forget the disease. I saw it on discovery. I guess it isn't really that uncommon. Next they will be saying trolls are human too

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Originally posted by antimason:
well.. if your just curious what, if any 'meat' there is in the 'biblical' perspective.. check this guy out.. i found this video the other day

if theres anyone whos willing, and can "debate" the literal creationist view its him.. but atleast hes pretty entertaining. when i came acrossed it i just watched it to hear him out.. its interesting, and he's atleast honost and admits that creationism is a religion(faith based), but makes the arguement that strictly evolution maybe aswell

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Originally posted by citizen:
Some evidence I've seen even suggests that Neaderthals were more intelligent than Homo Spaiens.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Some evidence I've seen even suggests that Neaderthals were more intelligent than Homo Spaiens.

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They probably had slightly bigger brains than modern humans but their tools were less sophisticated than those of the Cro-Magnon (basically modern humans) that suplanted them so it's something of a toss up.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I read it was most likely a human with..ah, I forget the disease. I saw it on discovery. I guess it isn't really that uncommon. Next they will be saying trolls are human too

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If you're trying to say Neanderthals were " just humans" but who suffered from ricketts, don't bother. That's a sad , pathetic lie told by Creationist who want to dismiss any and all evidence that the world isn't only 6,000 yrs old.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Aur, no I was talking about a show on 'Hobbit' fossils. The conclusion was it was a disease that is still around today. If I recall correctly the smallest people in the Guiness book of world records had it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I remember hearing somewhere that Neanders, because of the structural lay out of their necks, wouldn't be able to vocalize like humans do. I forget the specifics, but the sum of it all was that they didn't have the ability to commuicate complex concepts as their homosapien cousins. This handicapped their efforts to compete with humans, and ended up costing them in the end.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Aur, no I was talking about a show on 'Hobbit' fossils. The conclusion was it was a disease that is still around today. If I recall correctly the smallest people in the Guiness book of world records had it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I remember hearing somewhere that Neanders, because of the structural lay out of their necks, wouldn't be able to vocalize like humans do. I forget the specifics, but the sum of it all was that they didn't have the ability to commuicate complex concepts as their homosapien cousins. This handicapped their efforts to compete with humans, and ended up costing them in the end.

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More recent evidence shows a well developed vocal and auditory apparatus for Neanderthals so they were probably quite capable of a more or less normal modern human range of speach. Check the wikipedia article for a decent overview http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal probably somewhat inacurate on the edges and of course there are a number of areas where the concensus thinking changes frequently based on the most recent investigations most particularly the interbreeding vs suplanting debate.

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More recent evidence shows a well developed vocal and auditory apparatus for Neanderthals so they were probably quite capable of a more or less normal modern human range of speach. Check the wikipedia article for a decent overview http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal probably somewhat inacurate on the edges and of course there are a number of areas where the concensus thinking changes frequently based on the most recent investigations most particularly the interbreeding vs suplanting debate.

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It would be helpful had I been able to recall what it was exactly that I heard, but either way, it's fascinating. Thanks !

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Originally posted by antimason:
AURaptor or anyone else..if you consider yourself to be athiest, give me an idea how you see mans evolution playing out.. from the big bang to mans life on earth in the yr 2006? ... i just wanna know what it is youre proposing the absolute truth to be

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The latest proposal on Neaders and Cro-Magnon is that there was some interbreeding because the Neaders are speculated to be the source of the "big brain" variant of the brain-size gene.

www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0606966103v1

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Originally posted by antimason:
AURaptor- i didnt think my question was too difficult.. but ill narrow it down to my point: between neanderthal and the 'hobbit', i cant help but notice a lot of you around here just presuppose a lot of evolutionary steps to have occurred to bring mankind to our current state of being. i have a problem accepting my great great uncle as a primate, and even longer before that a chunk of primordial ooze "millions, if not billions of years ago".. and before that an inadamant rock. that amount of time is incomprehendable, and almost certainly impossible to diagnose scientifically with our current methods. i just wanna see the proof, the hard science, that shows conclusively the progression of mankind, through the various stages of bacteria 'billions of years ago' to lesser humaniod bi-pedal creatures to human beings today.

if its so rediculous that God created man and all these other things, then why is it not equally rediculous that everything (at one point) came from nothing? the big bang and all the matter in the universe came from nowhere before it manifested... and man actually came from a rock... thats the evolutionist theory, i just wanna know if you believe that?

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Originally posted by antimason:
inadamant rock.

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inadamant rock.

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inadamant rock.

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Hee, hee, hee.

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Is that rock that says:
"Ooh, I'm not that sure you know."

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Originally posted by antimason:
AURaptor- i didnt think my question was too difficult.. but ill narrow it down to my point: between neanderthal and the 'hobbit', i cant help but notice a lot of you around here just presuppose a lot of evolutionary steps to have occurred to bring mankind to our current state of being. i have a problem accepting my great great uncle as a primate, and even longer before that a chunk of primordial ooze "millions, if not billions of years ago".. and before that an inadamant rock. that amount of time is incomprehendable, and almost certainly impossible to diagnose scientifically with our current methods. i just wanna see the proof, the hard science, that shows conclusively the progression of mankind, through the various stages of bacteria 'billions of years ago' to lesser humaniod bi-pedal creatures to human beings today.

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if its so rediculous that God created man and all these other things, then why is it not equally rediculous that everything (at one point) came from nothing? the big bang and all the matter in the universe came from nowhere before it manifested... and man actually came from a rock... thats the evolutionist theory, i just wanna know if you believe that?

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