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Opponents of Poland's former communist regime reportedly want to pay a posthumous homage to US President Ronald Reagan by erecting his statue in the place of a Soviet-era monument.

In an open letter to the mayor of the southwestern city of Katowice, the former anti-regime activists said that the staunchly anti-communist Reagan had been a "symbol of liberty," the Polish news agency PAP reported.

As a result, they said, he deserved to become the centrepiece of the city's Freedom Square, replacing a monument to the Soviet troops who drove out the occupying Nazis in 1945.

They also said that they wanted the site to be rebaptised "Ronald Reagan Freedom Square."

City hall spokesman Waldemar Bojarun said that Katowice's councillors would consider the issue.

Bojarun said that he had "enormous respect" for Reagan.

However, he said, the proposal could cost an estimated 500,000 zlotys (128,000 euros, 168,000 dollars) and the city had "other pressing needs."

There are already separate plans to erect a statue in memory of Reagan in the centre of the Polish capital, Warsaw, which would be paid-for from private funds.

Reagan, who dubbed the Soviet Union an "evil empire," is widely credited by Poles with having driven communism to the wall.

The conservative Republican made fighting communism the cornerstone of his 1980-1988 presidency, and backed Poland's Solidarity trade union after it went underground when the regime declared martial law in 1981.

Reagan died in June 2004 at the age of 93.

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Perhaps the true cause of the Russian revolution can be traced to a war of competition in the oil industry that started after the American Edward Drake drilled the first oil well in 1859. Drake was not the one, however, who saw the enormous potential in the oil business for exorbitant profits.

John D. Rockefeller was one of the early refiners of oil as he started in 1863 with two partners. Rockefellers interest was not satisfied with just one refinery, however. as author William Hoffman obvserved: "what he wanted was to be the largest refiner in the world, the only refiner in the world."

in 1872, Rockefeller controlled twenty-five percent of Americas capacity, and by 1879 controlled ninety-five percent. his goal shifted now from national control to international control. his company, Standard Oil was supplying ninety percent of Americas foreign oil sales and was the sole source of an exportable surplus. but something was happening to his international market. "the wall of Standards international oil monopoly had been breached with the opening of Russias great Baku field on the Caspian Sea. by 1883, a railroad had been built to the Black Sea, and the Czar had invited the Nobel brothers of the Rothschild* family to help develope these great oil riches."

Standard Oil now had an international competitor in the oil business!

the Rotchschild family was now in a position to compete favorably, with Standard Oil in the sale of oil in the world market. by 1888, this new oil source had overtaken Standard Oil as the international seller of crude oil...

the rapid growth of the oil industry led Russia into the industrialized world. the traditional explanation of Russians economy at this time was that it was that the nation was an agrarian economy, far behind the other Eurpean economies. However, during the period of 1907 to 1913, Russias increase in industrial production rate exceeded that of the US, England and Germany, long believed to be the industrailzed giants of the day.

the following is typical of the conclusion of many researches who have examined this period in history: "the Russian revolution of 1917 came not at the end of a period of stagnation and decay, but rather after more than a half century of the most rapid and comprehensive economic progress." and with this progress came the development of a middle class, the enemy of the(nwo)conspiracy.

there are historians who now believe that the RUssian Revolution of 1917 was in truth a revolution instigated by the American and European oil interests to wrestle control of the Russian oil fields from the Rothschild-Nobel combination.

But other forces were at work as well in the Russian Revolution. after the defeat of Napoleon and the occupation of Paris in 1814 by Russian troops, many Russian aristocrats visited France. the liberal ideas of the French Revolution(also orchestrated by secret societies) appealed to many of them and resulted in the formation of two secret masonic lodges(in Russia), the Northern Star and the Southern Star. both lodges enlisted as members many influential and wealth Russian nobles.

the secret societies had been brought to Russia. in a book entitled Russia 1917, auther George Katkov cited the enormous influence the secret societies had in the Communist Revolution: "there is no doubt... that a widespread net of conspiratorial organistions modeled on freemasonic lodges worked for revolution in Russia and played a decisive role in the formation of the first Provisional Government."

with the arrival of the secret societies, the near powerful could conspire to replace the monarchy as a form of government, through control over the Provisional Government that replaced the Czar after he abdicated. the conspirators now had two of the three essential parts of the "pincers movement" written about by Jan Kozak.

the third part, the "mob", was organized in 1895, when Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and nine others, including Leon Trotsky, formed the Social Democratic Labor Party, the forerunner of the Communist Party.

perhaps the incident that provoked Lenins hatred of the Russian monarchy and the Czar occurred in 1881, when his older brother was executed for having taken part in the assassination of Czar Alexander II, the Czar at the time of Lenins revolution.

Lenins revolutionary career began while he was a student at the University of Kazan, where he became a devotee of Karl Marx*. Lenin learned that Marx had anticipated two revolutionary methods for total control of a soceity: the violent and the non-violent.

Marxs ten-plank program (discussed in earlier chapters- ill probably post them sometime) constitutes the non-violent method of communizing a society.

the Russian Communist Party was torn between the advocates of both methods. Lenin preferred the violent revolution to gain control of Russia, and Trosky preferred the non-violent. the supporters of Lenin became the majority on the debates on the issue and became known as the Bolsheviks, and the supporters of Trotsky became the minority and were knowns as the Mensheviks.

Perhaps the most crucial event in the Russian Revolution occured in the spring of 1908, when the British Fabian Society, a non-violent revolutionary group, met the Bolsheviks, a violent revoultionary group, in London, England. it was at this meeting that loans were arranged between the two groups so that the Bolsheviks could start their revolution. Joseph Fels, a member of the Fabian Society and a wealthy America soap manufacturer, loaned the Bolsheviks large sums of money, as did other members of the Fabians.

Arrangements also were made to finance the Japanese government in a war with the Russian government in an attempt to weaken the monarchy so that it would make the task of the Bolsheviks much easier. Fom NY, Jacob Schiff, J.P. Morgan, the First National Bank, and the National City Bank loaned Japan approximately 30 million to attack the Russian government from the east.

in 1905, with financing from members of the Fabian Society and with the knowledge that AMerican bankers had loaned Japan money to move against Russias eastern front, Lenin started his revolution on May 1, the anniversary of the founding of the Illumaniti

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Originally posted by Skywalken:
The proof is that now even the former commie countries credit him with freeing them from the evil of communism.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Gorbachov & Lech Walensa (spelling?) are the 2 people most responsible for ending the USSR.

Both had guts and risked their lives.....Reagan made a few speeches and ramped up our defense budget to intimidate the Soviets, but Gorby & Lech were men of vision and bravery.

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Originally posted by MedfordTim:
Reagan was an asshole.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That you're resort to childish name calling like that shows everyone what a worthless piece of go se you really are.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Reagan had a vision.

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MedforTim, Reagan was the greatest President of the 20th Century.

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Remember, he's the prick who traded arms with Iran so he could illegally fund terrorists in Central America. Oops, I forgot! When we supply them, they're "freedom fighters." It's only when we disagree that they become "terrorists."

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Reagan was the greatest President of the 20th Century.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That you're resort to childish name calling like that shows everyone what a worthless piece of go se you really are.

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Oh sweet irony.

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Originally posted by Skywalken:


Reagan dramatically increased America's covert involvement funding Afghan resistance fighters against the commies and the whole thing became a CIA job. The ten year war exhausted the resources and morale of the Soviet socialist system. With more than 15,000 Soviet military personnel dead, the USSR eventually withdrew their forces in 1989 and admitted to a humiliating defeat. It was payback for Vietnam...courtesy of Ronald Reagan.


courtesy of Ronald Reagan.

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Originally posted by MedfordTim:
My gawd, I wonder if you even realize the implications of this paragraph. Do you get even a glimmer that you are admitting to the world that the US armed, trained, supported in any way it could, the people who were eventually behind 9/11?

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My gawd, I wonder if you even realize the implications of this paragraph. Do you get even a glimmer that you are admitting to the world that the US armed, trained, supported in any way it could, the people who were eventually behind 9/11?

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That's one of the biggest propaganda screeds that the Taliban has put out...they defeated the Soviets.

Outright bullshit!

It was people like Ahmed Shah Massoud who defeated the Soviet Union. People who later ended up fighting the Taliban as part of the Northern Alliance.

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