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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sorry folks, but..

I'm glad he's dead and I sincerely hope that he's roasting on a spit in his beloved christian hell to sappy organ music with a bunch of damn fools shovelling coal on the fire singin hallelua.

Why ?

Oh anyone can say anything they like, and a man has a right to his opinion, same as anyone else, but when they encourage, directly or indirectly - the destruction of non-believers by any means violent or no, they've crossed a line with me and become a nuisance and a threat.


You can think that I am an asshole all you want, sure - but were you to take that and then go round up a bunch of faithful to kick my ass, yeah, if you wrecked your car en-route and were decapitated sliding under an 18 wheeler, I'd be pretty damn happy about it, make no mistake.

Your right to believe ENDS right when and where your belief requires that I die for mine.

So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So him, I hope he burns nice and crispy, it's not like he actually practiced the belief he rode to power on anyway.

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I/m not sure I'm clear on how you feel about him Frem.

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Originally posted by rue:
"Jesus taught forgiveness and not to judge others."

Yes, and his harsh judgement of the hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
"We reap what we.....how's the rest of that go Finn??.

Mr Fallwell had the right to preach anti gay and anti liberal rhetoric through freedom of religion. Don't be rediculous and think that because someone died...that all the people he offended will sit in silence. I'm not gay, but if I was, I'd be happy that someone who said my very existence is wrong...has finally gone on to judgement. Remember the Munchkins and the witch. Ding Dong blu-blah-blah-blaaah. Anyway...you get my point.

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No one is asking you to agree with Reverend Falwell or like what he stood for, and no one is even asking you not to hate him, but that doesn’t change that I think it’s assholish to find pleasure in the death of another human being simply because you don’t like what he stood for.

Look, I didn’t agree with everything Falwell had to say, either. I found some of it offensive and some of it just plane stupid. But then again, I can’t say much better about some of the people on this board. Should I hate the people on this board because I find what they say offensive or stupid? Should they hate me? That’s too much hate for me. I’m not stopping you from hating Falwell if that’s what you want, but don’t try to justify it and certainly don’t try to convince me of it. Life is too short and there are too many real evil people in the world to waste energy hating people purely for their beliefs or how they expressed those beliefs.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by rue:
Yes, and his oft-repeated harsh judgement of hypocrites is a study in self-contradiction. Parisee/ Publican; adulteress/ executioners; money changers ... and so on.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
You either can't read, or you're too cowardly to address what we've really been saying.

You keep making this about "beliefs", and it's not. It's about his actions.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn- Do you hate radical Muslims? Child molesters? Communists? Just wondering where you draw the line between those you hate and those you don't.

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Originally posted by rue:
I'm trying to point out that 1) your beliefs are selective and 2) seem to be poorly founded.

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Come on guys! why are you even arguing about this? Falwell was a snake-oil salesman nothing more. Not even worthy of fight.

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That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.

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Originally posted by rue:
reposted as the thread has gone on -

For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

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That's generalizing quite a bit. Radical Muslims and Communists may describe people with philosophical or religious views. Child molesters imply something more hands on. So of the three child molesters seem most likely to draw the least sympathy from me. But it’s a case by case thing.

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Case by case... like abortion? I'm just pointing out that sometimes you yourself make rather broad generalizations, and at other times you decide it's case by case.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
How long will it be I wonder (if it has'nt already happened, that is) before his death is claimed as an asasination "perped" by Mosad or some other Jewish backed "satanic" conspiricy.

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Why would the Mossad want to assassinate Jerry Falwell?

You'd really need some pretty dumb people to believe that. And while there are probably people that dumb in isolated pockets, I don't know that the communications between them is consistent enough to spread that conspiracy theory too far.

On the other hand, I'm generally wrong about how dumb people can be. Maybe I have too much confidence in people.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Don't know if it's real or not but...
http://go.fark.com/cgi/fark/go.pl?i=2807481&l=http://tinyurl.com/2lwod
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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

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excerpted from http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/05/that-old-time-religion.html
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But the glory faded through the 80s, as Falwell turned from churchbuilding and kingmaking to petty libel battles (most notably the one with Larry Flynt); as the press and the courts began to take notice of the ways in which he blurred the lines of church and state separation; and as politicians turned out to be very happy to take the Moral Majority's money, but less enthusiastic about enshrining its morality as federal law. His attempted turnaround of Jim Bakker's Heritage USA enterprises ended in bankruptcy court; and in 1989, the Moral Majority was absorbed into his friend Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.

Falwell himself was never much of a political or cultural force after that. But it's arguable that if there's one person without whom the religious right would never have risen -- and the GOP's hegemony would never have been possible -- Jerry Falwell was that guy. By organizing traditionally apolitical Evangelicals into the country's dominant political force, he provided the GOP with the essential base of support that's undergirded everything they've done in (and to) America over the past 27 years.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Almost certainly real, but what the Hell does "irrefragable" mean? Is it even a word?

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Impossible to refute.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Finn double posts... my world view is shattered!

I'll be in the pub.

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
So IRREFUTABLE then?

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Originally posted by marina:
Maybe this will give you some idea of why so many people are glad he won't be spreading lies and hatred anymore.

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Originally posted by marina:
This will be my last response to you,

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Originally posted by marina:
you've been going crazy at the number of people on this board who are expressing anything less than regret or sorrow and kept asking them to explain WHY they felt that they had reasons to dislike him beyond his faith.

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he wasn't just a religious fundamentalist, he was a DANGEROUS religious fundamentalist who had tangible effects on peoples' lives.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
But I do realize that hate is the easier road to take so enjoy the trip.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

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No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
eta: seriously, are you bringing out the old 'well he started it' defence? It's okay to hate Falwell because he was full of hate?

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No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

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This thread is about Falwell....not marina...Idiot....stay off BDN's ass

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
No, I'm pointing out that it seems like you are dismissing marina for taking the easy path of hate when Falwell does the same thing.

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Originally posted by rue:
Almost no one here used the word hate.

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