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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Minors cannot legally consent to anything.

The statutory rape laws in America were designed with that important basis as their cornerstone.

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Now as far as this particular kid.... 10 years is absolutely ridiclous. If I were the judge I'd sentence him to no jail, just maybe 100 hrs. of community service helping kids with cancer or something.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Truth is killed so that the system can keep going. The system IS the truth now.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
That is crazy. Try remembering back to your high school days......How many 17 or 18yr. old seniors "dated" 15 yr. old freshmen?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Does 2+2=5 yet Chris?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Yeah there is, Six - get on the horn yourself to your local politicos with a healthy dose of "WTF is up with THIS shit ? am I gonna hafta worry about my kid winding up a sex offender on prom night ? what the hell is WRONG with you folks... yadda yadda"

Lay it on good and thick too, go for the cringe factor, cause you want em worried about how their community would react to such idiocy, and make it unmistakeable that said reaction would be bad.

Then pass it to the local newsies, if possible put the arm on one who has kids of this age themselves and push em to slip it in as their human-interest piece of the day.

Politicos HATE the spotlight coming down on them, and this'll fix it for the time being - but if you wanna more lasting solution you find out who appointed that judge and ensure THEY get an earfull too.

All that's the aboveboard stuff, of course, but it makes a difference, cause public pressure of a couple folks ain't much, but multiply it a bit, and it's like a tree root under a sidewalk, in the end the sidewalk ALWAYS loses, even though it's made of concrete.

Think on that one a while - just get enough thumbs on the bastards that they start to sweat it, and sweat it good.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:

Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

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Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

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Agreeing there. Still, why isn't SHE in jail too????
It wouldn't hurt her porn career....

Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Fletch2:


Because she is a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for her actions.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by Fletch2:


Because she is a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for her actions.

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I don't follow...wasn't HE a minor and therefore not legaly responsable for his actions?

Puzzled Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
her having sex with him WAS legal because he was over 16.

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
her having sex with him WAS legal because he was over 16.

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More puzzled Chrisisall

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white. Has nothing to do with underage sex. This IS Georgia after all.

Frem, let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

BTW- you might want to check out the "Privilege" thread. There're more examples of similar persecu... I mean PROsecutions... there.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Re: recording it.

That just makes him stupid and tasteless, neither of which are, or should be, crimes.

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"This IS Georgia after all" So now you are branding the whole state, and its residents as racists

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Teens having responsible sex is fine *shudders* (I'm a prude), but making home porn is not something high schoolers should be doing. Sorry.

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Agreeing there. Still, why isn't SHE in jail too????
It wouldn't hurt her porn career....

Chrisisall

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The Governor can commute this kids sentence, so any GA browncoats who feel he's paid enough of the price are welcome to up the pressure on him if they want to.

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:

I think, perhaps more than race, the issue in this case is power. The prosecutor in question is afraid of losing face, and as a result, a young man is suffering the consequences.

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... 1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law? ...quote]

I don't know what Georgia statutes allow or whether or not it was the judge's interpretation. My opinion on this subject is it's only a crime if it's by force or coercion. I haven't read a transcript of this particular case but if it was consensual sexual sex while it is true that minors can't really consent, teenagers do experiment with all kinds of things including sex - oral and otherwise.

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... 2. If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!? ...quote]

If it is forced or coerced sex by any definition, my opinion is that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It could be 10 years if it is forced, brutal, terrifying and involves a young child. In this case it doesn't appear to make any sense.

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... 3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.) ...quote]

Again, it seems that we in this country do tend toward inconsistency in this area. If teenagers are going to experiment with sex, it seems more appropriate for the parents and family to deal with these issues unless there is force or coercion and then it becomes a criminal matter and may involve criminal punishment.

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... 4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime". ...quote]

And again, coercion or force, vast difference in age or if one party is perceived as have some implied power over the other party may affect the case. Having not read the proceedings or even seen a summary transcript, it appears here that it was two teenagers. Was there alcohol involved? Drugs? Was there coercion that we don't know about? If not, I wonder if this isn't indeed an extremely opinionated draconian puritanical judge imposing his own abuse of power. What might be more appropriate would be involving parents and youths in counseling and monitoring. Who filed charges here? The girl's parents?

And, of course, girls can be aggressors and coercive as well as boys, although it does and have historically been males who are more sexually agressive.

Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.


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Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.Siri

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... 1) Is oral sex a crime that should be punishable by law? ...quote]

I don't know what Georgia statutes allow or whether or not it was the judge's interpretation. My opinion on this subject is it's only a crime if it's by force or coercion. I haven't read a transcript of this particular case but if it was consensual sexual sex while it is true that minors can't really consent, teenagers do experiment with all kinds of things including sex - oral and otherwise.


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... 2. If you answered yes to number 1, do you belive it to be a crime worthy of being put in prison with rapists and murders and drug dealers for 10 F***ING YEARS!!!? ...quote]

If it is forced or coerced sex by any definition, my opinion is that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. It could be 10 years if it is forced, brutal, terrifying and involves a young child. In this case it doesn't appear to make any sense.


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... 3) Is it okay for two minors, a boy of 17 and a girl of 15 to have sex, oral or otherwise, if it is concentual. (I'm not asking morally speaking here, but rather if either party should be allowed to be punished by law, as if we all lived in Salem and hopped in the Delorian and went back to 1692.) ...quote]

Again, it seems that we in this country do tend toward inconsistency in this area. If teenagers are going to experiment with sex, it seems more appropriate for the parents and family to deal with these issues unless there is force or coercion and then it becomes a criminal matter and may involve criminal punishment.

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... 4) What would make one party the victim of a crime in this case and the other party a viscious molesting rapist (given that they were both minors and it has always been said by both parties involved that it was concentual from the start)? Is he the rapist because he was a man? Is he the rapist because he was 2 years older (yet still a minor)? Is it fair in your eyes to single out one party here when both were obviously to blame for engaging in this "horrible crime". ...quote]

And again, coercion or force, vast difference in age or if one party is perceived as have some implied power over the other party may affect the case. Having not read the proceedings or even seen a summary transcript, it appears here that it was two teenagers. Was there alcohol involved? Drugs? Was there coercion that we don't know about? If not, I wonder if this isn't indeed an extremely opinionated draconian puritanical judge imposing his own abuse of power. What might be more appropriate would be involving parents and youths in counseling and monitoring. Who filed charges here? The girl's parents?

And, of course, girls can be aggressors and coercive as well as boys, although it does and have historically been males who are more sexually agressive.

Perhaps we need to be more outraged at governmental and judical involvement in our personal lives (including our sex lives) at all levels.


Siri

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white. Has nothing to do with underage sex. This IS Georgia after all.

Frem, let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

BTW- you might want to check out the "Privilege" thread. There're more examples of similar persecu... I mean PROsecutions... there.
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That is crazy. Try remembering back to your high school days......How many 17 or 18yr. old seniors "dated" 15 yr. old freshmen?

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My highchool days were about 10 years ago, so they are pretty fresh in my mind. I dated a 17/18 year old when I was 15/16 years old. We had a pretty chaste relationship, and I look back on our fun times fondly.

Had we decided to become physical with our relationship, It makes me ill to think that the poor guy would *still* be behind bars had my father pressed charges. Here I'd be, an adult with a college degree, a husband, a few kids . . . and he'd have no life, and he'd just now be getting out of prison.

Statatory (sp?) rape laws are not meant for these types of situations. They are meant to protect naieve kids for not-so-naieve adults. I hardly feel that the 18 year old was preying on the 15 year old.

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Thank you.....

Love always kaneman

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State GOP lawmaker Eric Johnson of Savannah, leader of the Georgia Senate, says he went from having no opinion on the case to a strong opinion in favor of the sentence after seeing the tape. The nature of consent – complicated by the age of the girl and obvious drug and alcohol use – is the core issue, he says.

"When you hear that it's 10 years for consensual oral sex for two kids, you go, 'That doesn't sound right,'" says Senator Johnson. "But when you see the tape, you see ... drugs, alcohol, attitudes, arrogance, and disregard. While it may be consensual, you don't know about intimidation or if she feels obligated. That's why you set an age in the first place where you can make a decision like that."

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