If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil. by chrisisall

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citizen

We're going round and round on this, so i'll present the most concise explanation I can on the matter.

Resolution 687, passed in 1991, is the centerpiece here. This is the resolution passed after the United States had liberated Kuwait and while our troops were poised to advance to Baghdad to take care of business with Saddam. Saddam agreed to a plan whereby he would surrender or destroy all weapons of mass destruction, and all implements, machinery and whatnot associated with those weapons programs, forthwith. Saddam's first obligation under Resolution 687 was to provide the UN with a "declaration on the locations, amounts and types of all (WMDs) and agree to urgent, on-site inspection(s)" as specified in the resolution.

Saddam's deadline under 687 was fifteen days. He didn't make it. In fact, in 2002 ... about 4000 days past his 15-day deadline, the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 1441 putting Saddam on super-secret probation and giving him one last chance to do what he was supposed to do eleven years earlier.

Wait! I forgot Resolution 678! Forgive me! Resolution 678, you see, is specifically incorporated into both Resolutions 687 and 1441 by reference. Resolution 678 was passed in 1990, after Saddam invaded Kuwait. This resolution told Saddam to get the hell out, and authorized "Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait ... to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area." (Resolution 660 merely demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait. Iraq didn't. George H.W. Bush made him.) So ... even if you went to a government school; hell, even if you vote for Democrats you can see that under Resolution 678 the United States, a Member State of the United Nations, has the authority under that resolution, and under 687 and 1441 to kick Saddam to the curb.

Thus endeth all claims that the United States violated international law by invading Iraq. We weren't violating international law, we were enforcing it. http://boortz.com/nuze/200401/01122004.html

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:52 AM

CITIZEN

As much as I respect some talk show host who happens to say what you want to hear, Kofi Annan is a far more respectable source on the UN and UN resolutions and how they pertain to international law than some hick with a blog and a radio show.

But more specifically:

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Wait! I forgot Resolution 678! Forgive me! Resolution 678, you see, is specifically incorporated into both Resolutions 687 and 1441 by reference. Resolution 678 was passed in 1990, after Saddam invaded Kuwait. This resolution told Saddam to get the hell out, and authorized "Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait ... to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area." (Resolution 660 merely demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait. Iraq didn't. George H.W. Bush made him.) So ... even if you went to a government school; hell, even if you vote for Democrats you can see that under Resolution 678 the United States, a Member State of the United Nations, has the authority under that resolution, and under 687 and 1441 to kick Saddam to the curb.

No member state has the authority to decide how to enforce UN resolutions over the vote of the Security council. No member state has the authority to decide how to enforce UN resolutions over the vote of the security council. The council voted no. The UN decided not to invade. You can give justifications, your reading, George Bush's opinion, some talk hosts opinion until you are blue in the face. The only way the invasion of Iraq could have been sponsored by the UN, is if the security council voted to invade in 2003. They voted not to invade. Saying you disagree with their reasoning, and deciding that the US should be able to make unilateral decisions for the security council doesn't make it so. At best, at very very best if you apply very loose and favourable readings of the resolutions, charter and international law, the very best is that the action wasn't completely illegal.

The only way, THE ONLY WAY, that the invasion of Iraq in 2003 could be considered to have been sponsored by the UN is if the security council voted for it. You said it was sponsored by the UN, the only way that can happen is if the security council voted for it. THE SECURITY COUNCIL DID NOT VOTE FOR THE INVASION OF IRAQ in 2003. The only way you can prove that the UN sponsored the invasion is by showing the security council voted to invade, which they didn't do. I'm going around in circles, because all you're doing is sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "yes they did" when it's clear the UN DID NOT AUTHORISE THE INVASION OF IRAQ in 2003.

Even if everything you've said is true, even if your reading of the resolutions are right, and the Security Council was wrong to vote no, they still voted no, and if the security council voted no, then the action they voted against IS NOT AUTHORISED BY THE UN. It's an enormously simple concept.

It works like this: The Security Council votes yes, invasion authorised by UN mandate, the security council votes no, invasion not authorised by UN mandate. The Council voted no, AURaptor. The SECURITY COUNCIL VOTED NO. The invasion of Iraq was not authorised by the UN Q.E.D.

No amount of half truths, delusions, talk show hosts or lies can ever change the fact that the Security Council voted no, and no amount of subtly changing the subject is going to change the fact that the security council voting no means the action was not approved by the UN. Please get over it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:53 AM

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The SECURITY COUNCIL VOTED NO.

Silly silly British man. Do you really expect something like this to be taken seriously? AURaptor will find a way around this fact- he always does.

Negative facts will be re-assigned meaning; resistance is futile.

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:42 AM

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Please get over it.

He can't because he won't.

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:55 AM

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The U.N. chose not to invade, but left the door open for ANY MEMBEMR NATION TO DO SO.

And we did.

On 8 November 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15 to 0 vote, which included Russia, China and France, and Arab countries, such as Syria. This gave this resolution wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution.

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:06 AM

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The U.N. chose not to invade, but left the door open for ANY MEMBEMR NATION TO DO SO.

Yes, I remember the door being left somewhat ajar.
I think that the UN cat nudged it open a little more. Then there was a breeze that opened it even more. Then Bush & Cheney, seeing the door left so invitingly open, stepped through it.

AU, you REALLY need a job in the White House as a professional spin doctor, you'd be better than most at it given your belief in the garbage you spew

isall

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:12 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The U.N. chose not to invade, but left the door open for ANY MEMBEMR NATION TO DO SO.

Yes, I remember the door being left somewhat ajar.
I think that the UN cat nudged it open a little more. Then there was a breeze that opened it even more. Then Bush & Cheney, seeing the door left so invitingly open, stepped through it.

AU, you REALLY need a job in the White House as a professional spin doctor, you'd be better than most at it given your belief in the garbage you spew.

isall

I'd take that job, provided I got the kick ass Gov't salary, health care and pension for life.

But I only believe it because it's true. Otherwise, I'd have no interest in it , what so ever.

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:17 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rapo, I can Wiki too. So I noticed that you left out some essential parts, specifically the part which said:

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While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case. The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said: “ [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12.[2] ”

The ambassador for the United Kingdom, the co-sponsor of the resolution, said: “ We heard loud and clear during the negotiations the concerns about "automaticity" and "hidden triggers" -- the concern that on a decision so crucial we should not rush into military action; that on a decision so crucial any Iraqi violations should be discussed by the Council. Let me be equally clear in response... There is no "automaticity" in this resolution. If there is a further Iraqi breach of its disarmament obligations, the matter will return to the Council for discussion as required in paragraph 12. We would expect the Security Council then to meet its responsibilities.[3]

Look, you're desperately wrong about this. Man up to it and move on.
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Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

But I only believe it because it's true.

So, the UN vote for not invading Iraq was basically "We vote not to invade, but don't go NOT invading 'cause of lil' ole us..." ?

Is this really what you believe?

Don't you ever get dizzy, AU...all that spin and all?

isall

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:54 AM

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Rapo, I can Wiki too. So I noticed that you left out some essential parts, specifically the part which said:
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While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case. The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said: “ [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12.[2] ”

The ambassador for the United Kingdom, the co-sponsor of the resolution, said: “ We heard loud and clear during the negotiations the concerns about "automaticity" and "hidden triggers" -- the concern that on a decision so crucial we should not rush into military action; that on a decision so crucial any Iraqi violations should be discussed by the Council. Let me be equally clear in response... There is no "automaticity" in this resolution. If there is a further Iraqi breach of its disarmament obligations, the matter will return to the Council for discussion as required in paragraph 12. We would expect the Security Council then to meet its responsibilities.[3]
Look, you're desperately wrong about this. Man up to it and move on.
Stop going over old ground and trying to make reality something other than what is was.
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I'm not wrong about this. The U.N. weenies wanted every chance to escape being blamed for for this, but still wanted to appear as if they were doing something courageous. They weren't, because the U.N. is nothing but a giant suck fest, a place where tyrants and third world thugs can get together and basically beat down the USA. Only in this case, the US and the West was right to try to stop Saddam, so the U.N. went through the motions, as best they could , to put on the show that they too agreed something should be done. Only when it came time for Fold or Fight, the bureaurcrats did the best to appear like they wanted to do the latter, but instead did the former. Few are brave enough to take on real evil, hell, even identify it. Most of the time, we have folks who want to go along to get along, ( U.N. Food for Oil scam ) and just pretend everything is running along peachy.

Well, we called B.S. on that, and chose NOT to look the other way. Now some are wishing to return to the lie, wish they had taken the Blue Pill, and don't want to know how the world REALLY is.

I've said my piece on this, I'm done running in circles, there's no need to continue this thread..... aloha.

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:08 AM

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I'm not wrong about this. The U.N. weenies wanted every chance to escape being blamed for for this, but still wanted to appear as if they were doing something courageous.

There is some small bit of truth here IMO, but this doesn't cover it all. Yeah the UN has it's problems, but the vote was NO.
And it's good to see that you're finally running out of spin for this administration.
Don't worry, when Obama's administration effs up, we can be right there together callin' him on it. It'll be as if we never had opposite opinions on anything.

Future Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:18 AM

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I'm not wrong about this.

You ARE. The representatives from many nations, including from the USA and Britain left a clear written record of the intent of the Resolution, and the ONE THING they were REALLY clear about was that it was NOT a resolution to invade Iraq.

Now, you may whinge and twist and thrash about what the UN should have done, but the ONE THING YOU CANNOT HIDE BEHIND IS THE IDEA THAT THE UN AUTHORIZED AN INVASION OF IRAQ. IT DID NOT.

I will call you A LIAR and quote this frigging thread each and every time you repeat that falsehood. It will stick to your shoe like a piece of toilet paper... like the economy. Sooner or later you might begin to realize that there is such as thing as reality, and it's not made up of the endless supply of fibs, tall tales, wishful thinking and scare stories that seem to have taken root in your brain.

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Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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This resolution told Saddam to get the hell out, and authorized "Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait ... to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."

I find this passage particularly interesting. It gives "member states" such as Iran, Syria, or Turkey the authority to now invade Iraq and kick the US out, using "all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660..., and to restore peace and security in the area."

I mean, if WE can use that as authority to invade, can't other nations now use it to invade and try to drive US out of Iraq, if it's to restore security to the area?

Mike

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:38 AM

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I am reminded of an interview just after the Berlin Wall came down and some Russians were touring the U.S. When asked what they thought of America, they made two interesting observations. One, they pointed out that we seemed so afraid of each other. The second was referring to our news and newspapers, to which they observed, "In our country we have an advantage in those area's. When we read something or see it on t.v., we know it's bullshit. You here seem to believe it."

A friend of mine pointed out that things were better when the Mafia ran everything. Community based and all.

Never forget to follow the MONEY!

The rest is just filler.

Just picking nits off each other.

It's the power of nightmares.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:04 AM

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Yo, Rap,

" ... whihch is riding a 25 + yr time span of economic growth ..."

So you're giving Bush credit for Clinton's great economy in that 25 year span. Meanwhile, Bush's economy has been flat - at best. But what the hey.

"Saddam was removed from power because he failed to provide the evidence that he had destroyed those weapons. The U.N. resolutions required this of him, and he failed to comply."

Actually, he met every timetable and every requirement in the months before the US attacked Iraq - from filing the paperwork with the UN to allowing intrusive unfettered inspections. So much so that Bush couldn't find any other UN line in the sand and had to DEMAND that Hussein and top government officials leave Iraq to avoid war. Was this a UN resolution ? No. It was a complete fabrication on Bush's part that had nothing to do with the UN or its resolutions in any way. And THAT my friend was BUSH'S pretext to go to war.

"Those same resolutions said that any member nation could use force to compel him to comply ...and that's exactly what some member nations did."

With the caveat that under the UN charter no UN nation - or nations - is allowed to attack another nation under the UN flag without specific authorization. By specific authorization is meant which country is to have military force used against it or which areas of the country, goals and objectives, the time and timetable, which countries will perform the UN action and number of forces from each, rules of engagement and so forth. And then it becomes a UN action.

The US attack a nation that posed no threat and without the required UN authorization. Yes it was illegal.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:18 AM

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So you're giving Bush credit for Clinton's great economy in that 25 year span. Meanwhile, Bush's economy has been flat - at best. But what the hey.

[sarcasm]Rue, Rue, Rue... you poor, misguided liberal schmuck. Haven't you figured it out yet? The SUCCESS over the last 25 years is all due to Dubya. The FLATNESS over the last 8 is due to Clinton. Or Obama. Or maybe Carter. But most definitely NOT Dubya.

You just don't get how economics work... [/sarcasm]

Also, I find it amusing that on the whole Saddam thing, AwwCrapper's now trying to pin it all an the UN - an institution conservatives historically don't believe has any authority whatsoever, and that the US should pull out of.

So you don't recognize their authority, except when you falsely point to that authority to justify your illegal little Oil for Blood corruption...

Talk about circular logic!

Mike

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:34 AM

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So you're giving Bush credit for Clinton's great economy in that 25 year span. Meanwhile, Bush's economy has been flat - at best. But what the hey.

No, but I am giving Reagan credit for starting it all. Bush43 did hs part in cutting taxes, a little, and seeing the death tax phased out.

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Actually, he met every timetable and every requirement in the months before the US attacked Iraq - from filing the paperwork with the UN to allowing intrusive unfettered inspections

Sorry, but Saddam's credibility and his word wasn't worth all that much by then. His previous lies and games played cost him.

No, no caveat required w/ the U.N. sanctions. Read the resolutions. Everything is specifically spelled out. They just didn't think we'd actually carry it out. We did. And it was purely legal.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:03 AM

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Sorry, but Saddam's credibility and his word wasn't worth all that much by then. His previous lies and games played cost him.

No, no caveat required w/ the U.N. sanctions. Read the resolutions. Everything is specifically spelled out. They just didn't think we'd actually carry it out. We did. And it was purely legal.

YOU ARE A LIAR.

John Negroponte, US Ambassador to the UN said

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[T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12.

And YOUR credibility is right there with Saddam's. It's even worse than Bush's.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:59 PM

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YOU ARE A LIAR.

You keep using that word. I do not believe that word means what you think it means.

I honestly believe that the war on Iraq was sanctioned by the U.N. vis-a-vis the resolutions discussed above, namely 678( authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) ) , 687 ( imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area, ) and 1441 . I posted an explanation as to such above as well.

You seem to think otherwise, which is fine. One of us is wrong. Being wrong does not make one a 'liar'. Try to keep that in mind from now on.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:27 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

THE FACTS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

JOHN NEGROPONTE, US AMBASSADOR TO THE UN SAID

[T]his resolution contains no hidden triggers and no automaticity with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12

When someone knows the facts but continues to state otherwise, then they become liars.

YOU ARE A LIAR.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:29 PM

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Rap

I second that.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:36 PM

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THE FACTS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

JOHN NEGROPONTE, US AMBASSADOR TO THE UN SAID

[T]his resolution contains no hidden triggers and no automaticity with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12

When someone knows the facts but continues to state otherwise, then they become liars.

YOU ARE A LIAR.

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No, that makes YOU the liar.

There, happy? Liar.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:18 PM

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Oh, bull. "You believe" this about the UN and "you believe" that. So, who has the facts: Negroponte (Bush's choice for the UN) or some pissant little know-nothing?

Give it up Rapo: You're wrong, you know it, and you're a LIAR.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:22 PM

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Oh, bull. "You believe" this about the UN and "you believe" that. So, who has the facts: Negroponte (Bush's choice for the UN) or some pissant little know-nothing?

Give it up Rapo: You're wrong, you know it, and you're a LIAR.

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No, you're wrong, as we obviously went into Iraq.

You're the liar, liar.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:55 AM

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Rap Either you're a liar or you are badly, damagingly deluded. Your choice.

So how's that roaring econmy doing lately ?
And those tons and tons of WMDs in Iraq ?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:43 AM

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I honestly believe that the war on Iraq was sanctioned by the U.N. vis-a-vis the resolutions discussed above

We know you do, we are trying to get you to process the info so that you will instead believe the truth.

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:16 AM

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No, you're wrong, as we obviously went into Iraq.

yes, "we". The Coalition of the willing, billing, and the shilling. NOT the UN. NOT under UN authority.

LIAR.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:46 AM

There seems to be a lot of pants on fire 'round these parts.

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:35 AM

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Rap Either you're a liar or you are badly, damagingly deluded. Your choice.

So how's that roaring econmy doing lately ?
And those tons and tons of WMDs in Iraq ?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:39 AM

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Oh, and global warming is fake too

So the biggest drought ever in Austrailia, the flooding in our mid-section, and the thinning ice at Santa's are just a coinkiedence?
Oh, sorry, I forgot that the liberal Jew media is just makin' all that up.
Nevermind.

Litellaisall

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:42 AM

KHYRON

The good thing about moderated forums is that threads like this one, where otherwise intelligent people start acting like 7-year-olds, would've been closed a long time ago.

Just agree to disagree and fucking get over it.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Oh, and global warming is fake too

So the biggest drought ever in Austrailia, the flooding in our mid-section, and the thinning ice at Santa's are just a coinkiedence?
Oh, sorry, I forgot that the liberal Jew media is just makin' all that up.
Nevermind.

Litellaisall

Biggest drought 'ever' ??? That's only on man's scale, huckleberry. Not the Earth's. I'm sure there've been worse. Much worse, and long before the automobiles too.

Flooding? Happens every so often . These aren't as bad as the 93 flood. Remember that one ? Oh, and then there's that guy named Noah......

That thinning ice ? Got thicker over the winter, as it ALWAYS does.

Lib media does have an agenda. Dunno what Jew has to do w/ it , if anything. You got something against Jews, piratenewsisall ?

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Just agree to disagree and fucking get over it.

Works for me. I think this horse is about as dead as it's gonna get. Anyone else agree ?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:43 AM

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Dunno what Jew has to do w/ it , if anything. You got something against Jews, piratenewsisall ?

That's just the term that's continuously bandied about. A lot of Jews are Liberal, so I guessed that you hated them too. You gotta stop the hating, AU.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Just agree to disagree and fucking get over it.

Even when confronted with a clear statement from a Negroponte on what the UN resolutions were supposed to be doing (and after all, Negroponte was the person negotiating there, so if anyone should know it would be him) Rapo continues to say THE EARTH IS FLAT!.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:57 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I refuse to allow lies to go unchallenged. B/c being repeated over and over without dissent is how they gain acceptance.

And you wouldn't want that now, would you, Khyron.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:01 AM

KHYRON

We've been challenging AURaptor for years and all it did was waste everyone's time.

Besides, the part of the conversation I was referring to was this high point of philosophical discourse:

"Liar!"
"Bigger liar!"
"Biggest liar!"
"Liar liar liar!!"

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:06 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"We've been challenging AURaptor for years and all it did was waste everyone's time."

Not really. I know at least few people who are thinking differently now.

"Besides, the part of the conversation I was referring to was this high point of philosophical discourse:
"Liar!"
"Bigger liar!"
"Biggest liar!"
"Liar liar liar!!""

OK - how about I just keep asking him about the roaring econmy and the tons and tons of WMDs. Will that suit you ?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:06 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Think of it as online therapy. Rapo confuses the world in his skull for the real one. Some day Rapo will realize that the world is not as he wishes or is afraid of, or as he says it is, but simply as it is.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:07 AM

CITIZEN

I'm right, you are all wrong, anyone who doesn't get that can kiss my hairy flabby arse, meat bags.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:13 AM

Lie to me, lie to you friends, but AURaptor, don't lie to yourself...

A classicisall

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:48 AM

KHYRON

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Originally posted by rue:
Not really. I know at least few people who are thinking differently now.

Really? Anybody on this board? That's a serious question, by the way, not trying to be snarky.

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Originally posted by rue:
OK - how about I just keep asking him about the roaring econmy and the tons and tons of WMDs. Will that suit you ?

Definitely. Anything that resembles a proper conversation and not some schoolyard taunts is fine with me.

Although I will note that he hasn't given a proper reply to those questions the thousands of times you and everybody else asked him over the last couple of years, but maybe you're more of a fan of Sisyphean tasks than I am.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by rue:
Not really. I know at least few people who are thinking differently now.
Really? Anybody on this board? That's a serious question, by the way, not trying to be snarky.

Well, thanks mostly to peeps on this board, I have softened my radical left views and moved more towards the middle...used to go the conspiracy route every time- now I believe most evils come out of sheer stupidity & bloated egos.

Where's my tinfoil hatisall

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:38 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

rue: Not really. I know at least few people who are thinking differently now.
khyron: Really? Anybody on this board? That's a serious question, by the way, not trying to be snarky.

Yes, three people on this board that I know of.

khyron: ... maybe you're more of a fan of Sisyphean tasks than I am.

No, my intention is more devious than that.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:07 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by rue:
rue: Not really. I know at least few people who are thinking differently now.
khyron: Really? Anybody on this board? That's a serious question, by the way, not trying to be snarky.

Yes, three people on this board that I know of.

And how many people have left this board for the very same reason?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:47 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Just agree to disagree and fucking get over it.
Even when confronted with a clear statement from a Negroponte on what the UN resolutions were supposed to be doing (and after all, Negroponte was the person negotiating there, so if anyone should know it would be him) Rapo continues to say THE EARTH IS FLAT!.

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Sorry, but nothing Negroponte says can undo 10+ yrs of Iraq stone walling and specific U.N. Resolutions , or their wording there in.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:56 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Lie to me, lie to you friends, but AURaptor, don't lie to yourself...

A classicisall

The Earth is round, and revolves around the Sun.

Global warming is a scam.

No human ever saw a live dinosaur

We are not being visited by E.T.'s

The Iraq war was in no way what so ever founded on a lie.

There is no lost sea lizard from the Mesozoic living in Loch Ness

Oswald was the only shooter that November day in Dallas.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:11 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

BiggusD

"And how many people have left this board for the very same reason?"

What reason is that ?

I DO know of some people who have left b/c of others who were extremely vile and hateful.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:22 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Sorry, but nothing Negroponte says can undo 10+ yrs of Iraq stone walling and specific U.N. Resolutions , or their wording there in.

Negroponte helped write the last Resolution about Iraq's compliance with other UN resolutions, ya boob!

So basically what you're saying is that we should ignore what our Ambassador helped write, what the UK Ambassador helped write, and what all the other negotiators and signatories said about Resolution 1441 in favor of YOUR intepretation?

Because....???

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

THE EARTH IS FLAT! AND RAPO IS THE SUPREME LEADER OF THE UN!!!

www.un.org/Docs/scres/2002/sc2002.htm

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:00 PM