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Just for the record, exactly how much money does the American taxpayer lay out for Dubya to get his hair cut? I mean, if $400 is an excessive amount for John Edwards to pay of his own money, how much is too much when it's on OUR DIME?

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Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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the 400 dollar hair-cut was excessive and a waste of money.

stupid to try to paint that as some sort of hypocricy though. We all blow wads of money on luxuries, though at obviously different scales.

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How Rue-ish of you. Don't like the message, attack the messengers. Sorry that Brylcreme Boy turned out to be just another political charlatan, adding to a long and distinguished list of Democratic false prophets. I guess as long as there are lazy pothead miscreants and clueless, naive idiots who need to have a "cause" and follow a "leader", there will always be the Kennedys, Gores, and Edwards' all too eager to fill their pathetic voids (for a profit, of course).

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How Rue-ish of you. Don't like the message, attack the messengers. Sorry that Brylcreme Boy turned out to be just another political charlatan, adding to a long and distinguished list of Democratic false prophets. I guess as long as there are lazy pothead miscreants and clueless, naive idiots who need to have a "cause" and follow a "leader", there will always be the Kennedys, Gores, and Edwards' all too eager to fill their pathetic voids (for a profit, of course).

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So tell me, o sage guru - how exactly would that scenario make the Democrats ANY different than the Republicans?

Are you just pissed because you've discovered that with all his faults and failings, Edwards could just as well have been a Republican?

I think it's ridiculous for ANYONE to spend $400 on a haircut - but I can guarantee you that John Edwards isn't the only one in politics doing it. If that's your biggest issue with the guy, he must be doing something right. Let's start with him NOT being a genocidal mass-murdering piece of human scum like your current false prophet (for profit, of course) George W. Bush. Four hundred bucks for a haircut, or four thousand American soldiers dead so Bush can fake himself into looking like a "war President"... Gosh, that's a tough choice.

I'm not a fan of Edwards; never was. There was never any danger that he'd get the nomination, or that I'd vote for him if he did (unlike you on the right, who just six months ago were RAILING against "that goddamned LIBERAL John McCain"). But if this is the biggest issue you've got, you're truly grasping at straws.

Let's see.. A *FORMER* Democratic US Senator is claimed (by no less an authoritative source than the National Enquirer, mind you) to be having an affair... On the flipside, we have the senior Republican US Senator indicted on multiple counts of obstruction and bribery. Yeah, I can definitely see where you'd think one of them points up his party's general lack of a moral compass... Makes perfect sense now. Issues between a man and his wife - private issues - are SOOOO much more important to the nation than petty little things like graft, greed, and the rampant corruption that the GOP has endorsed for the past hundred or so years.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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For many years I've heard John Edwards talk about the 2 Americas;

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Hey JS, I was referring to Whozit and Crapo, who added nothing to the discussion except empty name-calling. If it quacks like a troll, and waddles like a troll....

Usually, I just ignore 'em. But Whozit seems to be new around these parts. Maybe Whozit doesn't know what a "troll" is. So that was just a head's up for Whozit. After a couple of comments (and this was the second from me and possible the fourth altogether) I consider Whozit to be fully informed.

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Well I don't agree with your point Jong,

and you ignored the key point of my comment, that is that it is not so important what he does with the money he keeps...he may really like his hair, that may be really strange to me, blah blah blah,

what's important is what he does with his time and what he does donate to good causes, charities, trusts, organizations, etc...

I'll repeat, since you ignored. He's an american not a monk, and I don't expect everybody who may have a better message for this country to have to be Ghandi.

He freely and often says that he has benefited from the promise of America. I don't think it has ever been his message that people should not enjoy luxuries while others are starving, just that we should work to d something about it.

You set the bar ridiculously high when anybody that wants to change the direction of this country has to be a Bhudda.

That's unfair, and there's nothing hyppocritical in not living up to stantards Edwards never claimed to meet.

Does it really make republicans better for all their decadence that they at least don't want to bring up any body else? Is that somehow a better way to be?


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and I'll second Syg's claim, Whozit is pretty obviously a troll dude. Or did you see his other posts? He is not constructively adding to any debate.

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For many years I've heard John Edwards talk about the 2 Americas;

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Jongs - I get ya. I like rufflin' a few feathers my own self, now and again.

The reason I went on a tirade in response to your post was that you didn't point Edwards out as another false prophet of politics - you pointed him out SPECIFICALLY as "another in a long line of Democrat false prophets." In doing that, you seem to imply that ONLY Democrats are fuckups; I was pointing out that for every fucked up Democrat, there seem to be at least four felonious Republicans. If you're indeed an equal-opportunity offender, then please feel free to reach out acroos the aisle in a bipartisan wayrant and rave about Republicans as vociferously and vehemently as you would a Democrat doing the same thing.

And, just for the record, I find Edwards to be amazingly, shockingly smarmy. If he hadn't gone into law, he'd still be finding a way to become a trial lawyer, because that's really the only thing he ever COULD be. I'm glad he's not on the ticket in any way, shape, or form, but I don't actually find him to be THAT much more slimy than most other politicians.

And if I could see Cheney or Bush stood up against a wall with a blindfold for war crimes, I would definitely do the dance of joy. And I'd hoist up a nice "Mission Accomplished" banner just for the occasion.


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

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I respect your opinion Rightous. I'm not looking to demonize the man, or get into a pissing contest over who's political party has the most jerks. I'm just pointing out why I feel he's less than admirable.

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I respect your opinion Rightous. I'm not looking to demonize the man, or get into a pissing contest over who's political party has the most jerks. I'm just pointing out why I feel he's less than admirable.

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I respect your opinion, too, Jongs, but I really want to ask: Does the allegation by the Enquirer PROVE to your satisfaction that he's an adulterer, or does it merely reinforce your opinion of him, and "confirm" in your mind that he's really a bad, evil person?

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Didn't think you were that gullible. So do you believe PirateNews's ridiculous nonsense too?

Hey, here are some tabloid stories that everybody should believe and that should be investigated by the press immediately:



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Didn't think you were that gullible. So do you believe PirateNews's ridiculous nonsense too?

Hey, here are some tabloid stories that everybody should believe and that should be investigated by the press immediately:

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Didn't think you were that gullible. So do you believe PirateNews's ridiculous nonsense too?

Hey, here are some tabloid stories that everybody should believe and that should be investigated by the press immediately:

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/08/edwards.affair/index.html

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Yes, the tabloids got one right. Thus they must be spot on ALL the time,...

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Am personally dissapointed in Edwards.

was Worried that it might be true even while not taking tabloid journalism alone as a source for condemnation,

As a rule though, sex scandals aren't waht I vote on. I'm not interested in judging somebody's personal life. Relationships are too complicated for me to try to insert my morality from a distance.

I vote on hypocracy though, and if you try to legistlate one thing and do another then, yes I have a problem, with people like say, Larry Craig.

But considering his wife's condition, I don't think she needed to hear this kind of thing about her husband, and he had more responsibility than most in not getting mired in such a matter. But on the other hand, that's arbitrary or 'gut' morality talking.

I was more appaled when I heard that Gingrich had his wife sign divorce papers on her deathbed for another woman,

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Am personally dissapointed in Edwards.

was Worried that it might be true even while not taking tabloid journalism alone as a source for condemnation,

As a rule though, sex scandals aren't waht I vote on. I'm not interested in judging somebody's personal life. Relationships are too complicated for me to try to insert my morality from a distance.

I vote on hypocracy though, and if you try to legistlate one thing and do another then, yes I have a problem, with people like say, Larry Craig.

But considering his wife's condition, I don't think she needed to hear this kind of thing about her husband, and he had more responsibility than most in not getting mired in such a matter. But on the other hand, that's arbitrary or 'gut' morality talking.

I was more appaled when I heard that Gingrich had his wife sign divorce papers on her deathbed for another woman,

but Edwards deserves his share of scorn here, I think.

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You saved yourself a democrat apologist tag just barely with your last line.
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For many years I've heard John Edwards talk about the 2 Americas; I always thought he was refering to those that can afford $400 haircuts and live in 30-room mansions--vs.-- those of us that can't.

Now he's added a new element to the equation...those that can afford $400 haircuts, live in a 30-room mansion, AND ALSO afford a mistress and a love child; or is it more appropriate to view the absurd hypocricy as those that are faithful to their wives and family for political appearances, versus those that do it out of love and morality.

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I never did see a democrat claim to be a moral guardian for the country. Unlike say, Gingrich, who attended the Clinton impeachment hearings with his mistress. Or Foley of the pornographic-gay-chats-with-an-underage-page who co-introduced the Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention bill.
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Equal opportunity, example of good governance, better wages ... didn't find one word about religion.

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Newt Gingrich
Mark Foley
David Vitter
Larry Craig
Rev. Ted Haggard
Ted Stevens

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I never did see a democrat claim to be a moral guardian for the country. Unlike say, Gingrich, who attended the Clinton impeachment hearings with his mistress. Or Foley of the pornographic-gay-chats-with-an-underage-page who co-introduced the Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention bill.

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Did anyone run a paternity test on the baby ? Did I miss that ? I thought the big deal was that he had a ------------------ (pregnant pause) -------- LOOOOOVE CHILD !!!

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Ah, so it's not the affairs and indiscretions that make one immoral, it's whether or not you lied under oath (or whether you were CAUGHT lying under oath).

Of course, Bush and Cheney would never lie under oath; they simply refuse to take any oath.

Now, you want to talk about JOHN EDWARDS and his "sins", I'm all ears. You want to paint ALL Democrats with his actions, and I'll be happy to play the same game with Republicans.


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Disgusted is a good word to use here. I think that sums up what many think , whether Democrat or Republican. I'm thinking the kid IS his, and will continue to think that until they ever do perform that test. I don't care what he says, his word means zilch.




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