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Again, I don't think Palin is a bad candidate. Nor do I think it's slimy she was chosen. Never commented on any of that, really.

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All I did was point out that, Obama got where he was the same way as EVER CANDIDATE, you dipshit.

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Or was there a vote held for McCain to run, before the Primaries, as well.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Fair enough. Why not say the sky is blue or 2+2=4 for that matter. All statements which can be considered correct but not very relevant to the point that was being made.

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Except that two people can serve in the military and not justifiably be viewed equal for that service. While I never denigrated Kerry’s service in Vietnam, it does not in any way even come close to McCain’s service, because the two levels of sacrifice are so disproportionate. BUT there’s no way to make that qualification concerning race or gender. In other words, no one has ever claimed that two individuals are equal on service alone, but the claim is often made that race and gender should be viewed without qualification. It’s not the same thing.

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This seems wrong. How does getting captured make McCain's service better, or greater. His sacrifice perhaps, but not his service.

Couldn't you also make the case that getting captured renders his service less good. He failed!

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In any case, the whole basis of this reasoning seems fallacious. Like: Service equals Citizenship!! (But more so for Razak's Roughnecks...)

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We're critisizing the McCain campaign for his fairly transparent strategy.

Especially since it looks like this was less McCain's choice, and more Rove's.

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Obama was picked by Democratic insiders

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For most people, including military people, service comes down to sacrifice.

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So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends... tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that.

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Maybe. McCain was in a plane, Kerry was in a boat. Getting shot down doesn't seem to elevate the quality of the service to me. I imagine that plane is pretty safe--as long as you don't get shot. Isn't that true of the boat as well?

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I have never heard such unmitigated balderdash in my whole life!

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So you think that a person who joins the Air Guard and never participates in any conflict should be viewed as having a “better” or as good a service then one who spends... tours in conflict? Most people don’t agree with that.

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Most people don't agree with that? Certainly ALL Republicans agree with that, since that's EXACTLY what they said in 2004. They tried to sell the load of crap that Bush had "military experience", and denigrated Kerry's service at every opportunity. In other words, they viewed a person who joined the Air Guard (but didn't complete his service, going AWOL and then deserting his post) as having a "better" service record than one who actually WENT TO VIET NAM.

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McCain just won the election. Game over !

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No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break...

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Originally posted by rue:
It would be easier to understand you if you used English better. Or thought better. Or were smarter.

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Thanks for that Rue. Oh by the way, do you have anything topical to say or have you reverted to trolling already?

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Wasn't McCain's choice, apparently he wanted Lieberman (another WTF!? choice), but he was overruled by Rove and the other powers-that-be.

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No spoiled rich fraternity punk who bought his way into an Ivy League school, partied on daddy's yacht during spring break...

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I was thinking more along the lines of Kerry, Kennedy, Rockefeller, The top 3 wealthiest US Senators are in fact, Democrats.

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Fantastic choice. She's the ultimate outsider.

McCain just won the election. Game over !

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I've known several Vietnam vets who saw heavy action and they tend to have dented personalities: twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile. Not exactly someone I'd want to answer a 3 AM phone call!

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Ahhhh... so Bush DIDN'T buy his way into an Ivy League school? He WASN'T a fraternity punk? He DIDN'T party on daddy's yacht on Spring Break?

Or was it just different when he did it?

And what is it you have against the rich?

Or do you just hate the rich when they're Democrats?

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

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it's clear that many on BOTH sides of the aisle want change, and want something else besides what's become a cookie - cutter type candidate for higher office. Say Bush IS among those I listed, all the more reason for honest, sincere folk to look at the McCain / Palin ticket and see real change here.

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She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.

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And I'm sure you thank goodness for it. Otherwise you'd have had to live in fear of that "...twitchy, hair-triggered, depressed and sometimes downright hostile..." Vietnam vet Kerry in the White House

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

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the bumper stickers are out....

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the bumper stickers are out....

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I said I would look closely at vets who saw heavy action, not that I would disqualify one automatically. Kerry does not appear to have those problems. John McCain does.

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And you appear to have your own physcic twists, most notably that you and "the truth" seem to have a distant relationship, at best. IMHO that comes about from having to rationalize the irrational, and justify the unjustifiable. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just ask.

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If you get caught out in an obviously biased or just downright stupid statement, you first ignore questions about it, next try and change the meaning of what you said..

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Why do I suspect you don't see Kerry as having PTSD problems because he's a Democrat?

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Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

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Democrats are putting on a brave face to conceal the fact that they're all shitting their pants. First they only got a modest bump out of their Hallelujah-fest, and now will be facing this remarkable woman. Chicago corrupt, radical socialist Obama, & DC fixture Biden will be ripped to shreds by Palin, and a decent percentage of America's women will fall in love with her when they see what a strong and smart woman looks like. Democrats had one in Hillary, but the Party turned on her, again, and Obama went for a 6-term Senator to lend credibility to his razor-thin resume. Hillary would have won the Presidency as the Dem. candidate I believe, but now their ticket is bass-ackwards. McCain scored a huge knockout blow with this pick. She is a tough and fearless campaigner, and has a good track record of executive and business experience. She's taken on Dems & Repubs before, and triumphed over them. It's one thing to preach liberal and oft-repeated false sayings to your base at a convention, but it's quite another to say them to the American people during a national TV debate. That's where Obama & Biden will be exposed as weak and dangerous, and in Biden's case a bit arrogant and nuts, no matter how hard the liberal moderators try to favor them. And now I read that Edwards is about to emerge from his foxhole, his lies and deceit expunged, and go out in public and make speeches. Obama doesn't need that distraction, but it will be highly amusing.

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Very intelligent post there sweetie. Better go back to knitting your Obama sweater. You'll need it to keep you warm one day.

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