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The role of pyschopathy in modern society.
Friday, August 22, 2008 5:29 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:56 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: by Dr. Kevin Barrett “Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.” – John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing. Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years. Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder. The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple: 1) Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers; 2) Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits); 3) Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process. Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, injure, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse. The inventor of civilization — the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers—was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies — especially military hierarchies. Military institutions are tailor-made for psychopathic killers. The 5% or so of human males who feel no remorse about killing their fellow human beings make the best soldiers. And the 95% who are extremely reluctant to kill make terrible soldiers — unless they are brainwashed with highly sophisticated modern techniques that turn them (temporarily it is hoped) into functional psychopaths. In On Killing, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has re-written military history, to highlight what other histories hide: The fact that military science is less about strategy and technology, than about overcoming the instinctive human reluctance to kill members of our own species. The true “Revolution in Military Affairs” was not Donald Rumsfeld’s move to high-tech in 2001, but Brigadier Gen. S.L.A. Marshall’s discovery in the 1940s that only 15-20% of World War II soldiers along the line of fire would use their weapons: “Those (80-85%) who did not fire did not run or hide (in many cases they were willing to risk great danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages), but they simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges” (Grossman, p. 4). Marshall’s discovery and subsequent research, proved that in all previous wars, a tiny minority of soldiers — the 5% who are natural-born psychopaths, and perhaps a few temporarily-insane imitators—did almost all the killing. Normal men just went through the motions and, if at all possible, refused to take the life of an enemy soldier, even if that meant giving up their own. The implication: Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. (This cannot be good for humanity’s genetic endowment!) Marshall’s work, brought a Copernican revolution to military science. In the past, everyone believed that the soldier willing to kill for his country was the (heroic) norm, while one who refused to fight was a (cowardly) aberration. The truth, as it turned out, was that the normative soldier hailed from the psychopathic five percent. The sane majority, would rather die than fight. The implication, too frightening for even the likes of Marshall and Grossman to fully digest, was that the norms for soldiers’ behaviour in battle had been set by psychopaths. That meant that psychopaths were in control of the military as an institution. Worse, it meant that psychopaths were in control of society’s perception of military affairs. Evidently, psychopaths exercised an enormous amount of power in seemingly sane, normal society. How could that be? In Political Ponerology, Andrzej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests) psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want. In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies. The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths. So-called conspiracy theorists, some of whom deserve the pejorative connotation of that much-abused term, often imagine that secret societies of Jews, Jesuits, bankers, communists, Bilderbergers, Muslim extremists, papists, and so on, are secretly controlling history, doing dastardly deeds, and/or threatening to take over the world. As a leading “conspiracy theorist” according to Wikipedia, I feel eminently qualified to offer an alternative conspiracy theory which, like the alternative conspiracy theory of 9/11, is both simpler and more accurate than the prevailing wisdom: The only conspiracy that matters is the conspiracy of the psychopaths against the rest of us. Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as that power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld—the criminal syndicate or overlapping set of syndicates that lurks above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it. In 9/11 and the 9/11 wars, we are seeing the final desperate power-grab or “endgame” (Alex Jones) of brutal, cunning gangs of CIA drug-runners and President-killers; money-laundering international bankers and their hit-men, economic and otherwise; corrupt military contractors and gung-ho generals; corporate predators and their political enablers; brainwashers and mind-rapists euphemistically known as psy-ops experts and PR specialists—in short, the whole sick crew of certifiable psychopaths running our so-called civilization. And they are running scared. It was their terror of losing control that they projected onto the rest of us by blowing up the Twin Towers and inciting temporary psychopathic terror-rage in the American public. Why does the pathocracy fear it is losing control? Because it is threatened by the spread of knowledge. The greatest fear of any psychopath is of being found out. As George H. W. Bush said to journalist Sarah McClendon, December 1992, “If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.” Given that Bush is reported to have participated in parties where child prostitutes were sodomized and otherwise abused, among his many other crimes, his statement to McClendon should be taken seriously. Psychopaths go through life knowing that they are completely different from other people. They quickly learn to hide their lack of empathy, while carefully studying others’ emotions so as to mimic normalcy while cold-bloodedly manipulating the normals. Today, thanks to new information technologies, we are on the brink of unmasking the psychopaths and building a civilization of, by and for the normal human being — a civilization without war, a civilization based on truth, a civilization in which the saintly few rather than the diabolical few would gravitate to positions of power. We already have the knowledge necessary to diagnose psychopathic personalities and keep them out of power. We have the knowledge necessary to dismantle the institutions in which psychopaths especially flourish — militaries, intelligence agencies, large corporations, and secret societies. We simply need to disseminate this knowledge, and the will to use it, as widely as possible. Above all, we need to inform the public about how psychopaths co-opt and corrupt normal human beings. One way they do this, is by manipulating shame and denial — emotions foreign to psychopaths but common and easily-induced among normals. Consider how gangs and secret societies (psychopaths’ guilds in disguise) recruit new members. Some criminal gangs and satanist covens demand that candidates for admission commit a murder to “earn their stripes.” Skull and Bones, the Yale-based secret society that supplies the CIA with drug-runners, mind-rapists, child abusers and professional killers, requires neophytes to lie naked in a coffin and masturbate in front of older members while reciting the candidate’s entire sexual history. By forcing the neophyte to engage in ritualized behaviour that would be horrendously shameful in normal society, the psychopaths’ guild destroys the candidate’s normal personality, assuming he had one in the first place, and turns the individual into a co-opted, corrupt, degraded shadow of his former self — a manufactured psychopath or psychopath’s apprentice. This manipulation of shame has the added benefit of making psychopathic organizations effectively invisible to normal society. Despite easily available media reports, American voters in 2004 simply refused to see that the two major-party presidential candidates had lain naked in a coffin masturbating in front of older Bonesmen in order to gain admission to Skull and Bones and thus become members of the criminal overworld. Likewise, many Americans have long refused to see that hawkish elements of the overworld, operating through the CIA, had obviously been the murderers of JFK, MLK, RFK, JFK Jr., Malcolm X, ChÈ, AllendÈ, Wellstone, Lumumba, Aguilera, Diem, and countless other relatively non-psychopathic leaders. They refuse to see the continuing murders of millions of people around the world in what amounts to an American holocaust. They refuse to see the evidence that the psychopaths’ guilds running America’s most powerful institutions use the most horrific forms of sexualized abuse imaginable to induce multiple-personality-disorder in child victims, then use the resulting mind-control slaves as disposable drug-runners, prostitutes, Manchurian candidates, and even diplomatic envoys. And of course they refuse to see that 9/11 was a transparently obvious inside job, and that their own psychopath-dominated military-intelligence apparatus is behind almost every major terrorist outrage of recent decades. All of this psychopathic behaviour at the top of the social hierarchy is simply too shameful for ordinary people to see, so they avert their gaze, just as wives of husbands who are sexually abusing their children sometimes refuse to see what is happening in plain view. If deep, deep denial were a river in Egypt, American citizens’ wilful blindness would be more like the Marianas Trench. But thanks to the power of the internet, people everywhere are waking up. The only obvious non-psychopath among Republican presidential candidates, Ron Paul, also happens to be the only candidate in either party with significant grassroots support. If “love” is embedded in the Revolution Ron Paul heralds, that is because Dr. Paul — a kindly, soft-spoken physician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies — implicitly recognizes that government is the invention and tool of psychopaths, and therefore must be strictly limited in scope and subjected to a rigorous system of checks and balances, lest the psychopath’s tools, fear and hatred, replace love as the glue that binds society together. The decline in militarism since World War II in advanced countries, the spread of literacy and communications technology, and the people’s growing demands for a better life, together represent a gathering force that terrifies the pathocracy, (those alternately competing-then-cooperating gangs of psychopaths who have ruled through lies, fear and intimidation since the dawn of so-called civilization). Since nuclear weapons have made war obsolete, the pathocracy is terrified that its favourite social control mechanism — ritualized mass slaughter — is increasingly unavailable. And if war was the great human tragedy, the pathocrats’ pathetic attempt at a war-substitute — the transparently phoney “war on terror” — is repeating it as sheerest farce. Truly, we are witnessing the twilight of the psychopaths. Whether in their death throes they succeed in pulling down the curtain of eternal night on all of us, or whether we resist them and survive to see the dawn of a civilization worthy of the name, is the great decision in which all of us others, however humbly, are now participating.
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:10 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:33 AM
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:54 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:21 AM
SWISH
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:30 AM
FLETCH2
Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:37 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:Military institutions are tailor-made for psychopathic killers. The 5% or so of human males who feel no remorse about killing their fellow human beings make the best soldiers. And the 95% who are extremely reluctant to kill make terrible soldiers — unless they are brainwashed with highly sophisticated modern techniques that turn them (temporarily it is hoped) into functional psychopaths. Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. The only conspiracy that matters is the conspiracy of the psychopaths against the rest of us. The greatest fear of any psychopath is of being found out. As George H. W. Bush said to journalist Sarah McClendon, December 1992, “If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.” CIA agent George Bush Sr in Dealey Plaza for another coup d'etat www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush2.htm
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:14 PM
Quote:PARIS (AFP) - Humans are selfish in earliest childhood but by the age of seven or eight are keen to share equally, a developmental change so sudden that it can only be explained, at least in part, by genes, according to a study released Wednesday. Behavioural scientists and sociologists have quarrelled for decades as to whether generosity and selfishness are inherited or result from social conditioning. But new experiments with 229 Swiss children between the ages of three and eight suggest that Homo sapiens is probably somewhere in between: humans look out for No. 1, but also express, if not outright generosity, at least an aversion to inequality. The study, published in the British journal Nature, could help explain how humans developed the ability to cooperate in large groups of individuals who are unrelated, the researchers say. The children were asked to take part in three different games. In each game, the child was confronted with two options as to how to distribute portions of jelly beans and other small sweets. He or she was faced with another kid, shown only in a photo to avoid complications arising from face-to-face encounters. One of the options was the same in all three games: divide the sweets equally. In the first game, the child had the alternate option of keeping a single portion of sweets for himself and giving nothing for the other child. In the second, more sweets were added, and the child had the option of giving the other child two portions and keeping one. And in the third game, the child had the choice of taking two portions and leaving the other child empty-handed. Lead researcher Ernst Fehr of the University of Zurich said the three- and four-year-olds were consistently motivated by self-interest, with almost no regard for the well-being of the other. The next age bracket was almost as selfish. "But if we look at the seven-to-eight year olds, a different picture emerges," Fehr told AFP. In the first game, nearly 80 percent of the older kids made sure the other child got the same amount of sweets rather than none at all. And in the last game, more than 40 percent of them refused to let the other go away with nothing even when they had the opportunity of gaining a double portion by doing so. By comparison, less than nine percent of three- and four-year-olds were willing to do the same. But generosity had its limits. In the second game, the older children were reluctant to let their counterpart have twice as many as themselves. 'If I can't have more,' their actions seemed to say, 'I don't see why he or she should.' In an e-mail exchange with AFP, Fehr said the results suggest that Nature and Nurture jointly shaped behavioural responses, although the study was not designed to calculate the share of each influence. "I think that both genes and culture play a role," Fehr said. The results, he added, suggest that "social norms of equality can come into being even without extended forms of cultural transmission. Nobody would dispute that the sexual maturation of children is driven by biology and genes, so why should other phenotypes -- like those associated with fairness behaviour -- not also be driven by biology and genes?", he asked rhetorically. At least one result was unexpected, said Fehr: children with no siblings were more, rather than less, generous.
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:30 PM
Quote:And I refer to SignyM's recounting of the baboon troop where all the nastiest most aggressive baboons cornered the food dump which contained tainted meat - caught TB from it - and died.
Quote:Originally, representation of the 'common man' was indirect or infrequent, or both. The 'ruling class' - not a hereditary aristocracy but the wealthy - had a larger role by design. For all the pretty words about men being created equal, the structure of government was notably unequal. The other problem is that representation of the people like you and me grew up in apposition to business-acquired wealth - a growing force, not a waning one.
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:12 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Where DID that forty hour work week come from, ehe ?
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:12 PM
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:09 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:16 AM
CITIZEN
Quote:The French actually actively TRIED that once, it didn't work out to well in reality, but the concept was there.
Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:12 AM
Quote:I think there are people who might be labeled a deviant personality by an indiscriminate observer, but who simply have the valuable capacity to set aside their emotions long enough to take the actions necessary for their survival, and the survival and well-being of their people. Is that possible?
Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:17 AM
Quote:A revolution is a way of one frustrated ruling class subjugating the desires of the downtrodden to replace the current ruling class. Violent revolutions tend to produce poor systems in practice simply because they're instigated by the same sort of people that they're replacing.
Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: I don't buy that - while I admit that this is often the case, I will not accept that it is ALWAYS the case. Counterpoint: Anarchist Catalonia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Catalonia Very complicated situation, true - but when fighting what (to them) amounted to a five front war, they did pretty well, all things considered. One might take that as every other faction being wanna-be ruling classes, freaking out at the dire threat of people who wanted NO ruling class. Sure explains why even their "allies" turned on em, doesn't it ?
Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:34 AM
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Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:42 AM
Quote:OTOH, many EARLY US studies which you cite were based on even earlier European studies and theories - alpha males, social Darwinism, Freud and his theory of the id, to point out a few.
Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:16 PM
Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:02 PM
Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:04 PM
Quote:I'd love to believe that peaceful cooperation is the singular exclusive trait of survival for the future of the human race, but I frequently observe situations where judicious use of violence would be helpful. I see people sitting here worried about a minority who use violence without discrimination, and are glossing over the majority who are incapable of using violence even to save themselves.
Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:07 PM
Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Oh, and Cit ? The French Revolution was one of them things that start for the best of reasons, but ran into that whole pesky unintended consequences thing - and from my understanding of it, about 2/3rds of the way through they realized the folks they were about to replace the nobility with were indeed just as bad and started lopping THIER heads off, and then it just became total chaos... But you know, in the end, I bet they did manage to kill off a damn lot of the most warlike among them, which, given the historical record of French military conflicts, probably did them a favor. The only thing worse than a warmonger, is an INCOMPETENT warmonger. (Yes, that whole bit was just a wee lil bit sarcastic.)
Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: I've long wondered if the downfall of the human species will come about NOT because we're so "warlike" but because we're TOO willing to believe what others tell us... as opposed to the evidence of our senses. It's a blessing and a curse. It allows us to build on abstract/ useful concepts like "electrons", but also on abstract/ dysfunctional concepts like "corporations". After all, if 99% are getting screwed over (and I believe we are) then why are the 1% still in power?
Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:57 PM
Quote:Sure, but doesn't that kinda prove my point? The next century of French history is them lurching from one military dictatorship to another...
Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Ayeah, and run by the least warlike remainder of a folk that was militarily incompetent in the first place, meh heh heh... The French do love their irony, don't they ?
Friday, August 29, 2008 3:45 PM
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Quote:"You are what you pretend to be."
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:16 PM
OUT2THEBLACK
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: ...It's a blessing and a curse. It allows us to build on abstract/ useful concepts like "electrons", but also on abstract/ dysfunctional concepts like "corporations". After all, if 99% are getting screwed over (and I believe we are) then why are the 1% still in power?
Sunday, September 7, 2008 4:01 PM
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Many... prolly most... societies have disappeared w/o meaningful continuation. Thousands of native american cultures disappeared and the only trace they left behind was quaint place-names like Cheektowaga and Miami and Ohio.
Sunday, September 7, 2008 7:53 PM
Monday, September 8, 2008 8:50 AM
Quote:In your one post are you referring to the study of human children and chimps (?) where the chimps quickly figured out which actions were bogus while the children kept doing the same things over by rote, even when they could see that certain actions were pointless ?
Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:45 PM
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Sunday, September 21, 2008 11:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: I did a quick search and couldn’t find any studies about this topic directly. Any thoughts on the usefulness of a variant of simplex optimization as a model for evolution ?
Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:01 PM
KIRKULES
Quote:Originally posted by rue: for example the Greenlanders who went extinct,
Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kirkules: That's what they say about Neanderthal Man. I still don't believe it. http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-neanderthal9-2008aug09,0,2505489.story Tonight 9:00pm National Geographic Channel Neanderthal Code http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/neanderthal-code-3228/Overview?sicontent=0&sicreative=2606220592&siclientid=804&sitrackingid=44778626&source=sem_ngc_83
Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by citizen: Quote:Originally posted by Kirkules: That's what they say about Neanderthal Man. I still don't believe it. Well, the fact that the Original Norse settlers on Greenland died out isn't in the slightest open for dispute. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have missed a couple of Vikings running around Greenland. Don't believe what you like. I don't see any Neanderthals running around, and your cites support that position.
Quote:Originally posted by Kirkules: That's what they say about Neanderthal Man. I still don't believe it.
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