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Mr Obama, returning to the campaign trail after two days off in which he flew to his ailing grandmother in Hawaii, said a negative campaign was not what the country needed.

"In the final days of campaigns, the say-anything, do-anything politics too often takes over..." he said in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"The American people don't want to hear politicians attack each other - you want to hear about how we're going to attack the challenges facing middle-class families each and every day."

Later, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, he sought to tie Mr McCain to the policies of the outgoing Republican President, George W Bush.

"John McCain's mad at George Bush, so opposed to George Bush's policies, that he voted with him 90% of the time for the past eight years," he told a mass rally.

"That's right, he decided to really stick it to George Bush 10% of the time... It's like Robin getting mad at Batman."

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Seems like the first three paragraphs and the last three paragraphs exemplify the old adage, "Do as I say, not as I do".

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Huh?

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The latter is objective and based on fact.

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Originally posted by Khyron:

McCain/Palin: The first presidential ticket that features two candidates who have both been found to have violated ethics standards.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Except that it's not true.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
The former 2 are perjorative and false.

The latter is objective and based on fact.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hrm. A single comparison on a matter of policy of the Republican candidate with the Republican incumbent in a speech vs. an entire campaign built on fabricated, scatter-shot character assassinations to the point of implying that the Democratic candidate is involved in high treason. Yeah, damn that Obama for goin' negative! That no good hypocrite!

WTF?

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
The former 2 are perjorative and false.

The latter is objective and based on fact.

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Doesn't matter. The "Batman and Robin" form of Sen. Obama's remark goes against his statement that..."The American people don't want to hear politicians attack each other..." He could have left that out and just stated facts, but had to get the little extra dig in.

Besides, he's wrong. In the movie 'Batman and Robin' Robin did argue with Batman.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. High treason? Never mentioned or even hinted at.

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I was just interested in the juxtaposition of a plea to stop attacks on candidates with an attack on a candidate.

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You still don't get it. Telling people about someone's voting record IS NOT an attack.

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Besides, he's wrong. In the movie 'Batman and Robin' Robin did argue with Batman.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
You still don't get it. Telling people about someone's voting record IS NOT an attack.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So where are McCain's crowds getting the idea that Obama is a friend of terrorists?

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surely you can appreciate McCain & Co.'s admittedly ham-handed attempts to paint Obama as a mysterious anti-American, anti-democratic, anti-Christian, anti-freedom insurgent. McCain's crowds are getting the message--why aren't you?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
khyron - when all you can do is post a link with nothing more than an editor's note, their own OPINION, and nothing resembling the facts, it's a clear sign you've lost it.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Oh wait, I get it now. Geezer's trying to say that McCain supporting Bush's policies is just as bad as Obama "palling around with terrorists"! Have to say Geezer, that's pretty hardcore, never thought you'd be he one equating Bush's policies with domestic terrorism!

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Originally posted by rue:
You have no point.

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Originally posted by Geezer: Then to you, PolitiFact is apparently a tool of the McCain campaign.

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Not saying Sen. McCain's campaign doesn't do this too; just noting that Sen. Obama is not spotless in the area of attacking his opponent, although he thinks it's wrong.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Khyron, you have a bright future writing political ads.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Looks like neither campaign is against attacking the other, no matter how much they say they shouldn't.

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Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
Politifact is a wholly owned project within, and created by, folks working for the Ultra Conservative St Petersburg Times.

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I expect the Sedition Act of 2009 shortly.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wouldn't that be redundant? We already have the "Patriot" Act, right?

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Originally posted by Geezer:
YOU GOT IT!!!!

Both sides are politicians, and both will say one thing and do another if they think it'll get them elected.

I get concerned at the number of folk who have drunk the Obama kool-aid to the extent that they won't believe, and react violently to, any suggestion that the man is less than perfect. If this is the controlling spirit in his administration, I expect the Sedition Act of 2009 shortly.

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Originally posted by Geezer: Then to you, PolitiFact is apparently a tool of the McCain campaign.

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Politifact is a wholly owned project within, and created by, folks working for the Ultra Conservative St Petersburg Times.

Think of Conservia as a bunch of specialty companies owned by Warren Buffet, only Karl Rove is the real owner, and it should begin to come clear if your logic has more control over your critical reasoning skills than your fading hopes for a McCain victory.

The RNC
Fox News
The White House Press Corp
The McCain/Palin campaign

All other Conservative Media act freely, but get all the information they build on from these four companies and all of it is filtered through a choke hold bottle neck called Karl Rove's spin approval. That's why all four of those companies don't bring up Bush very much. That way Conservative voters are on message, Conservative media is on message, and that's why Politifact always says John McCain lies less than Obama.

Trolls against McCain

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I assume you're talking about the Saint Petersburg Times that endorsed Obama, and the Warren Buffet who was a Hillary Clinton supporter. Seems like kind of a stretch to call either "ultra conservative".

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Originally posted by Geezer:

175,000 people were jailed between 1918 and 1921 under the provisions of the Sedition Act, for doing stuff like protesting the draft, defaming the President, or just saying that the U.S. shouldn't be involved in in WWI. The Patriot Act is tame by comparison.

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I suspect many of the more out-there liberals in RWED wouldn't object to making criticism of Pres. Obama or his policies a crime, based on how they react to anything less than worshipful adoration here.

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I have to say, that's about the most pointless comment I have ever seen you make...and that's saying a lot.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
The example you gave doesn't help underline your point, though, since I still don't see how he was contradicting himself.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Which sounds an awful lot like you're defending the Patriot Act. Is a bad law magically good if you can point out a worse one in our history? Aren't they BOTH bad?

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