Bill Ayres was not a terrorist. by chrisisall

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
He killed no one. He caused no one to fear for their lives. He was radical all right, but not as much as the old men covered in blood, but never touching any of it.

Chrisisallhasspoken

Wrong.

Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008
During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.

In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.

Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.

As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.

At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”

Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.

John M. Murtagh is a practicing attorney, an adjunct professor of public policy at the Fordham University College of Liberal Studies, and a member of the city council in Yonkers, New York, where he resides with his wife and two sons
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:42 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
He killed no one. He caused no one to fear for their lives. He was radical all right, but not as much as the old men covered in blood, but never touching any of it.

HE WAS A PART OF THE RADICAL LEFT AND A TRAITOR...TAKE HIM AWAY!

Sure, holding him would be dangerous...it could create a sympathy for radical leftists in the Senate.

But we have traced the radical leftists to him. Now he is our only link to find their secret base!

(Dramatic music.)

H

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:03 PM

WHOZIT

3/6/70, 3 friends of Bill were killed by a "Nail Bomb" that exploded at there New York bomb factory, the bomb was meant for a dance at the Fort Dix Army Base.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:03 PM

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What, no snappy, lame ass retort from the facts, huh Dorkisall ?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:10 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Correction:

Bill Ayers is not a terrorist now. He was a terrorist then.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:12 PM

Just becuase this person claims they tried to kill his family, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

Now, it may well be true - but with no proof, you can't say he did it.

This is the rationelle you always use when defending righties that are accused of things Rappy, so suck it up and deal.

And the part about him not killing anyone - sorry, but that's true.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Just becuase this person claims they tried to kill his family, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

Now, it may well be true - but with no proof, you can't say he did it.

This is the rationelle you always use when defending righties that are accused of things Rappy, so suck it up and deal.

And the part about him not killing anyone - sorry, but that's true.

There are truths which can be known, but not stand up in court. If you're comfortable w/ telling yourself that Bill Ayres had nothing to do w/ the TERRORIZING of this lawyer's family all those yrs ago, then have at it. Others know better. I'm sure there's lots of info about this case you'll never bother to find out, stuff which may be inadmissible in court, yet is still every bit as true.

That's who Bill Ayres was, and until he seeks redemption, will always remain. If you want to excuse make and tell yourself that there's nothing to any of it , at all....... that's on you then.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:31 PM

But when it comes to Republicans who clearly have wronged, if there is no proof, you are more than happy to consider them innocent.

But hey, that's the law of the land -"Innocent untill PROVEN guilty".

You have no proof, ergo....

And so we're clear, I know a bit about the weathermen, and I have no love for them. My ex-step father, whom I'd gladly take a 2x4 to, was a member.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:33 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
But when it comes to Republicans who clearly have wronged, if there is no proof, you are more than happy to consider them innocent.

But hey, that's the law of the land -"Innocent untill PROVEN guilty".

You have no proof, ergo....

They had proof on Ayres, but then the prosecutors bungled the case. Show where there's any damn thing remotely equivalent, and then make a point. Until then, YOU HAVE NO GORRAM POINT!

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:38 PM

My point is to continually point out your bullshit, and generally piss you off.

Both are easy.

Beyond that, since you missed it last time - "Innocent untill PROVEN guilty".

Go look under a chair. Maybe you'll find the proof hiding with Osama.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:52 PM

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Being a pin head and reminding me of how stupid humanity can be is your point?

Wow. Bravo. Keep reachin' for the stars, pal. You'll make it , one day.

p.s. And it's PRESUMED innocent, until proven guilty .....IN A COURT OF LAW, DICK HEAD.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:01 PM

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Story -

I'm afraid Rap succumbed to rampant brainwashing some time over the last few years. You won't get anything sensible out of this one now.

If he thinks Ayers is guilty, then by god, he's guilty. But if he thinks someone is innocent, even a court of law won't be able to prove to him otherwise.

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For Rap, the truth is way, WAY, WAAAAY out there.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:39 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Story -

I'm afraid Rap succumbed to rampant brainwashing some time over the last few years. You won't get anything sensible out of this one now.

If he thinks Ayers is guilty, then by god, he's guilty. But if he thinks someone is innocent, even a court of law won't be able to prove to him otherwise.

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For Rap, the truth is way, WAY, WAAAAY out there.

You set yourself up so you can't win, you ridicule the opposition. Ayers says he's guilty himself, and he's proud of it. My opinion can't change the facts , no matter what you wish.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:42 PM

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Guilty of the attempted bombing of the Murtagh family - yes or no ?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:11 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Guilty of the attempted bombing of the Murtagh family - yes or no ?

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Silence is consent.

His organization was involved, and that destroys the false notion that he wasn't a terrorist, and never put anyone's life in danger.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:14 PM

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You didn't answer this question either.

Ayers guilty - yes or no ?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:16 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
You didn't answer this question either.

Ayers guilty - yes or no ?

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Silence is consent.

Irrelevant. He's an admitted , unrepentant terrorist.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:23 PM

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ChrisIsAll
He killed no one. He caused no one to fear for their lives. He was radical all right, but not as much as the old men covered in blood, but never touching any of it.

Rap
Wrong.

So, you're saying he's guilty of killing people - yes or no ?
You're saying he's guilty of bombing the Murtagh home - yes or no ?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:31 PM

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He's a terrorist. End of discussion.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:34 PM

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"There are truths which can be known, but not stand up in court."

So, you disagree with the principle 'innocent until proven guilty' - yes or no ?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:44 PM

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And Rap's going to slink out of this one, too.

Bye bye Rap. Go run and hide.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Bill Ayers is not a terrorist now. He was a terrorist then.

So was George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and many others.

And I will note that left leaning wannabe bombers have ALWAYS blown up more of their own people than anyone else, historically - cause they're just no damn good at building bombs, it's almost comedic.

Then there is the fact that The Weathermen were completely vindicated by the Church Committee hearings, as it came out that every single accusation they were making was fundamentally true, and at the time our own intel goons were committing far worse deeds against the american people than any of the folks they were pursuing.

So, if Ayers is a terrorist, then he's a goddamn piker compared to the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc - so if you wanna throw him in jail, better throw half the damn alphabet soup people in there first cause they are the greater danger and worse offenders than he ever was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President%27s_Commission_on
_CIA_activities_within_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_family_jewels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

"Many of the techniques used would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that...the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence."

The Weathermen were in fact on the COINTELPRO "hit list", proven fact, and one that everyone at the time considered mere conspiracy theory, till some folks stole the damned files and proved it.

So if you wanna arrest Ayers and charge him with terrorism, I am ok with that only if FIRST, you round up the FBI, CIA, NSA personnel and charge THEM, while seizing their buildings and files as evidence, which, frankly, if even half of the crap some of us muckrakers know about gets spilled - would unfortunately topple our entire legal, social, and governmental system.

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us."
George HW Bush.

In essence, you're sittin here complaining about a kid playing with matches, who burnt himself and learned his lesson from it - while a pack of drunken arsonists burns the city down around us.

How does that make sense again ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:07 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Just becuase this person claims they tried to kill his family, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

By your logic, just because some poeple claim the Bush administration committed crimes, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

Thank you for your verification that the Bush administration committed no crimes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:07 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Gee, I've heard this song and dance before...

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
-Rumsfeld.

He was universally fulla shit, and so are you, Rap.

And Geezer, the difference between the two is that one HAS been investigated, and one has not.

And damned well should be.

-F

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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He's an admitted , unrepentant terrorist.

I killed JFK and I'm damn proud of it!

You just want to convict Ayers 'cause you think he's a "bad man". But yanno, we don't have laws against how you feel or what you think or who you associate with, only on what you DO. It's possible he had nothing at all to do with that particular event.

So excluding the whole "We should convict him because I don't like him" scenario: Bill Ayers- Guilty or not?

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:13 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
And Rap's going to slink out of this one, too.

Bye bye Rap. Go run and hide.

I'm not playing your lame ass game.

Go play w/ yourself

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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He's an admitted , unrepentant terrorist.
I killed JFK and I'm damn proud of it!

You just want to convict Ayers 'cause you think he's a "bad man". But yanno, we don't have laws against how you feel or what you think or who you associate with, only on what you DO. It's possible he had nothing at all to do with that particular event.

So excluding the whole "We should convict him because I don't like him" scenario: Bill Ayers- Guilty or not?

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Let's party like its 1929.

I'm just at a loss as to why you're so quick to defend this dirtbag, unless it's only because you think you're some how supporting Obama, in some odd way.

Ayers is a bad man. Guilty as hell.

Charles Manson was never convicted of killing a single person, and yet he's still in jail.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:58 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Ayers is a bad man. Guilty as hell.

But again, you offer nothing in the way of PROOF, only your opinion. Was he a "bad man"? Quite possibly. "Guilty as hell"? Well, not according to the U.S. Justice Department, who dropped the charges against him due to prosecutorial misconduct.

So should the prosecutors be in prison, too? After all, they're bad men, and guilty as hell. As yet, I've heard none of them repent, and so they must always remain guilty...

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Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:24 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Geezer:

By your logic, just because some poeple claim the Bush administration committed crimes, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

Thank you for your verification that the Bush administration committed no crimes.

Literally , *J*U*S*T* saw this on the CNN Political Ticker: a judge in Texas just issued indictments against Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales for abuse of prisoners. Wasn't much in the way of details, and the judge may be a wacko, as the Republican spokesman quoted in the piece claimed, but on the other hand, it might be the first strike against them.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:52 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by Geezer:

By your logic, just because some poeple claim the Bush administration committed crimes, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

Thank you for your verification that the Bush administration committed no crimes.

Literally , *J*U*S*T* saw this on the CNN Political Ticker: a judge in Texas just issued indictments against Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales for abuse of prisoners. Wasn't much in the way of details, and the judge may be a wacko, as the Republican spokesman quoted in the piece claimed, but on the other hand, it might be the first strike against them.

It's baseless. Cheney is reported to have some financial interest in a company which was accused of some such nonsense. There's nothing what so ever to suggest Cheney had any hand in the day to day dealings of how the business was run, it's just a wild, cheap political stunt, and nothing more.

As for Ayers, I never stated that he should be in jail. He had his trial, and it was tossed. Doesn't make him any less guilty for what he did, only now , there's no LEGAL room for him to be prosecuted. But makes no mistake, what this guy did ,and who he was associated with, unquestionably makes him a terrorist, which is why I replied as I did to this thread. If the world was right, Ayers WOULD be in jail, but he's not , so there's no use in beating that dead horse. All I'm saying is that , even though he didn't go to jail, that doesn't mean he wasn't a terrorist.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:05 AM

FREMDFIRMA

By far not the first - many, MANY states, localities and cities have already filed motions up to and including impeachment and demands for it, they've just been ignored by a rogue administration and a compliant press, is all.

Monica Conyers, wife of that nutless bastard on the Judiciary Committee, and possessing FAR more testicular fortitude than he *EVER* will, submitted it here, and passed it without a hitch or complaint.
http://pdamerica.org/articles/news/2007-05-16-16-48-17-news.php

I'd hate to be a fly on the wall in their house, given that his cowardice and that of Pelosi has prevented impeachment, and his *wife* is at the head of at least two orgs howling for his head over it.

Bet dinner conversation's pretty interesting over at the Conyers house, lol.

I'd vote for her.. I would... him, not so much, but HER ?

Yeah, cause she's willing to take the will of her constituents and kick it right up someones tail, which is all you can, and should, really ask of a politician in the first place.

-F

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:22 AM

America loves a winner!

Monica Conyers is a nut case. Which might explain much

All those " filed motions" amount to nothing, as not 1 damn thing they can do / say means one iota against the President. It's clear, those acts are pure political vitriol, and nothing more, certainly not based on any worth while merit , not in the least.

There are zero grounds on which to impeach the President. It's been shown, time and time again, that in no way, what so ever, did his or his administration mislead anyone into war w/ Iraq.

Deal w/ it.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:25 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Doesn't make him any less guilty for what he did...

Actually, in the eyes of the law, it DOES. Kinda how that whole thing works, ya know?

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All I'm saying is that , even though he didn't go to jail, that doesn't mean he wasn't a terrorist.

I could make the exact same claim against Cheney... You saying so doesn't make it a fact - that's something you never seem to get through your thick skull and into that walnut-sized brain of yours.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:43 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by SignyM:
we don't have laws against how you feel or what you think or who you associate with, only on what you DO.

Actually we do have laws against association, but many of them have been passed since and/or partially as a result of these attacks. There are certainly laws against Conspiracy and various laws relating to funding and support for terrorist activities.

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So excluding the whole "We should convict him because I don't like him" scenario: Bill Ayers- Guilty or not?

There was never a trial. He did spend a lot of years running away like a little bitch.

H

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:24 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

There are truths which can be known, but not stand up in court.

LOL!!!
AU, you are so gorram duplicitously, self-servingly effin' stupid...and thing of it is, you think WE are as well.

Yeah, he blew up some s**t, yeah, 3 of his peeps died makin' a bomb that WAS TO be set off & hurt folk (poetical justice, anyone?), yeah, Bush lied about WMD....OH SORRY, I just sorta worked that last truth which can be known, but not stand up in court into it, didn't I?

You are such a biped.

Have fun eating Meow Mix, pal!

isall

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:51 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's baseless.

Like your political views, LOL.
See, I can only laugh at you now, AU. Poor little extremest wingnut dweeb, clinging to all which makes no sense in a raging & confusing sea of tolerant moderation...

*throws a lead life preserver*

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:52 AM

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He did spend a lot of years running away like a little bitch.

Well yeah, but the same can be said of Cheney, who spent the whole of the Viet Nam War running like a little bitch, and hiding behind deferments... Or Bushie, who ran away and went AWOL rather than take a drug test.

So are they guilty as hell, too?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:11 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

There was never a trial. He did spend a lot of years running away like a little bitch.

In First Blood, I guess Rambo was running away like a little bitch while he was expressing his outrage as well.
Hmmm. Your choice of words betrays you Hero. I object.

SUSTAINEDisall

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:53 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Story -

I'm afraid Rap succumbed to rampant brainwashing some time over the last few years. You won't get anything sensible out of this one now.

If he thinks Ayers is guilty, then by god, he's guilty. But if he thinks someone is innocent, even a court of law won't be able to prove to him otherwise.

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For Rap, the truth is way, WAY, WAAAAY out there.

Oh, I gave up on getting anything sensible from Rap a long, looooong time ago. Now, it's all about pointing out his innanity, and rubbing his nose in it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:54 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Just becuase this person claims they tried to kill his family, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

By your logic, just because some poeple claim the Bush administration committed crimes, doesn't mean it's true. No charges were brought. SO, no proof, it's an accusation, not a fact.

Thank you for your verification that the Bush administration committed no crimes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Well, yeah, pretty much. I'm useing Rappy's exact logic against him, thus pointing out the hipocracy.

And I agree, the things said about Bush are accusations. Never claimed them to be facts.

I'm just pointing out the pot 'n' kettle nature of Rappy's attcks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:05 AM

America loves a winner!

wrong kwickie... one can be guilty of a crime and still not viewed as such by the state. Just because the law doesn't recognize one as guilty, doesn't mean that person didn't do it.

Bill Ayers is a self admitted terrorist. WHAT about that don't you get ?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:07 AM

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Chrissy,

Bush never lied about WMD

Clinton lied about Monica.

Know the difference.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bill Ayers is a self admitted terrorist.

Another of your solid facts, eh AU?
Do you wonder why we see you as so deluded?

If I said the Bush is a self admitted liar, you'd see something wrong with that. I could counter with: "Nope, sorry, you're wrong- it's a fact."

And that's how it goes with you.

Professional help might be in order.

Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:30 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
wrong kwickie... one can be guilty of a crime and still not viewed as such by the state. Just because the law doesn't recognize one as guilty, doesn't mean that person didn't do it.

Bill Ayers is a self admitted terrorist. WHAT about that don't you get ?

I *get* that Bush can be guilty and not be viewed as such (at least not at the moment) by the state.

Can you please provide me with a direct quote from Bill Ayers where he refers to himself as a terrorist? Because what YOU view as terrorism, someone else with a different viewpoint might call a "freedom fighter" or a "Contra". Capisce?

Also, if he is indeed a self-admitted terrorist, then what on Earth is he still doing out on the streets? Shouldn't he be in jail? Why is the Bush Administration letting him walk around free, when they should have kidnapped him and taken him to Gitmo? Either Bush has no interest in stopping terrorism, or Ayers actually isn't a terrorist. Which is it?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:30 AM

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Most people forget that 'innocent until proven guilty' is only half the phrase. The full phrase goes:
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW

So Rap trying to divide innocence into the court type and some hypothetical other type is wrong - because innocence is ALWAYS presumed in every situation until PROVEN guilty IN A COURT OF LAW.

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Silence is consent.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:31 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bill Ayers is a self admitted terrorist.
Another of your solid facts, eh AU?
Do you wonder why we see you as so deluded?

If I said the Bush is a self admitted liar, you'd see something wrong with that. I could counter with: "Nope, sorry, you're wrong- it's a fact."

And that's how it goes with you.

Professional help might be in order.

Chrisisall
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Chrissy, I don't waste my time w/ folks like you because , much like young Earth Creationist, there's nothing I could show you which would change your minds. You see, you NEED to believe Bush lied about WMD, because that's where the extreme , hyper far Left wing is these days, and nothing else will do w/ you folks.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:38 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Most people forget that 'innocent until proven guilty' is only half the phrase. The full phrase goes:
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW

So Rap trying to divide innocence into the court type and some hypothetical other type is wrong - because innocence is ALWAYS presumed in every situation until PROVEN guilty IN A COURT OF LAW.

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Silence is consent.

You STILL didn't get that right, rue-rue. The phrase is " PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty in a court of law ". But having said that, it still doesn't matter one damn bean when it comes to Ayers. I can call him guilty all I want. That's my opinion. You clowns are simply tossing in this " court of law " b.s. simply to confuse the issue and ignore the fact, that Ayers himself admitted to these crimes and his only regret was that he didn't do more. That's the crux of the matter, which you bone heads can't come to grips on and why it was / is such a big deal that the Prez -elect was / is so buddy buddy with.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:44 AM

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That's the crux of the matter, which you bone heads can't come to grips on and why it was / is such a big deal that the Prez -elect was / is so buddy buddy with.

How Palin-esque of you.

Not that it matters. As you have said yourself,

"The people have spoken. Isn't that enough?"

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:47 AM