Laurasaurus Ingraham by MalBadInLatin

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What I fear most , chris, is that folks like citizen are really that screwed up, and believe all that they say. It's unfathomable, and that's why I fear for this entire species.

What I fear, 'Rap, is that folks like you are really that screwed up, and believe all that they say. It's unfathomable, and that's why I fear for this entire species.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:44 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, I'm going to give you another chance to explain to me what your core beliefs are. Those beliefs which are so important to you that they haven't changed, will NEVER change.

But if you can't articulate your core beliefs, I wonder: How much you do KNOW about them? What are they? What are their limits? How do they fit together?

If you can't answer those questions... questions about your very moral, intellectual, and/or emotional foundation... you're in deep trouble, my friend.

If you feel that you're simply going to get attacked, feel free to PM me.
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Pardon me if I feel less than energetic to play along. Hell, if I said the sun rose in the East, you'd find reason to fight me on it. And then call me a liar. And a racist. Why the HELL would I care to delve into any level of serious banter with you or your cohorts on my core beliefs ?

Ask yourself that question. Honestly, and think about it before you fire off some snarky little come back.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:46 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What I fear most , chris, is that folks like citizen are really that screwed up, and believe all that they say. It's unfathomable, and that's why I fear for this entire species.

What I fear, 'Rap, is that folks like you are really that screwed up, and believe all that they say. It's unfathomable, and that's why I fear for this entire species.

No one asked you, and how UN original, to repeat back to me what I JUST said.

Game is what you AIN'T got.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

My current cast of core beliefs are as such:

1) Try to be honest without being cruel, but be honest with yourself even if it feels cruel.

2) Help as much as you can, Harm as little as you can.

3) Remember that even Solomon, with all his wisdom, could be wrong. And I'm not Solomon.

4) Forgive yourself your sins, but try to eliminate them, too.

5) God wants You to be the best You possible.

6) There is a Purpose to Life.

7) Let no man unjustly interfere with you, and likewise do not unjustly interfere with any man.

Foundation subject to change as I continue to learn. :-)

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What I fear most , chris, is that folks like citizen are really that screwed up, and believe all that they say. It's unfathomable, and that's why I fear for this entire species.

What I fear, 'Rap, is that folks like you are really that screwed up, and believe all that they say. It's unfathomable, and that's why I fear for this entire species.

No one asked you, and how UN original, to repeat back to me what I JUST said.

Game is what you AIN'T got.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

Uht-oh - I bet he's going to "dismiss" me!

I was showing you and everyone else here that your words can just as easily damn you the way you hope they damn others.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:07 PM

More of my core beliefs (I love how peeps put theirs here!):

Treat others in the way you would like to be treated.

Be certain that uncertainty rules.

Be excellent to each other.

When faced with superior force, get in the first punch.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Pardon me if I feel less than energetic to play along.

I think I can guarantee that most of us will see something positive in your core beliefs as long as it doesn't get political-y.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Once a person has voluntarily cast aside or surrendered their humanity, they are no longer a human being and should not be regarded as such.

Although not a pretty one, I cannot disagree. The slippery part is defining "voluntarily cast aside or surrendered their humanity."
I see that as being the perpetrating of violent rape, repeated physical and/or psychological child or victim abuse, and committing murder for fun or profit.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Pardon me if I feel less than energetic to play along. Hell, if I said the sun rose in the East, you'd find reason to fight me on it. And then call me a liar. And a racist. Why the HELL would I care to delve into any level of serious banter with you or your cohorts on my core beliefs ? Ask yourself that question. Honestly, and think about it before you fire off some snarky little come back.

Well, I could be snarky, but I'm not gonna be. The reason why you COULD delve into your core beliefs is because I promise to take everything you say seriously. You may not like the direction my questions will go (I promise to ask lots of questions) but I will not devolve to snark. The reason why you SHOULD delve into your core beliefs is that you might learn something... something important and fundamental about yourself or the world. Something you would never have known otherwise.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

My first core belief... my a priori asumption... is that the universe is real and we are a part of it. My second is that we come to know it through our senses. Don't talk to me about gods or religion or belief. If you think something exists, show me. Don't say that your ethics are "god-given". They were created by people.

My core ethics are (1) Knowledge, and self-knowledge. I hold them in high regard. (2) Greatest good for greatest number, including generations from now.

What I learned from this board: (1)You must be the change you wish to see. I have seen too many people here using fine-sounding goals (justice, freedom, security) to justify torture, murder, and tyranny. (2) Large institutions should be kept in check.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:03 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"Don't talk to me about gods or religion or belief."

Hello,

I do apologize if I came off as preachy.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:07 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

What I SHOULD have said was: don't try to convince me of god or religion. But, no, you didn't come off as preachy. You seem to me a thoughtful person.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:02 PM

America loves a winner!

I've commented on these before, so if you're heard these before, it's likely because I've said them. Not Rush, not O'Reily, but little ole me.

We all have the same basic rights.

My rights, as do all others, allow me to do what ever I want, so long as my actions don't infringe or hinder anyone else's rights through force of fraud. ( So, drugs and 'companioning' ought to be legal )

We belong to ourselves. No country, no political party, no religion, no company owns us. We might say we have no choice to stay w/ the crappy job, but we're kidding ourselves. There are 2 things we have no choice in, being born, and dying. All we do in between is basically up to us.

While the Cosmos is infinitly old, we are here only a finite amount of time. Jimmy Buffett puts it best, I think....

" And still twenty four hours
maybe sixty good years
It's really not that long a stay"

Mankind is new to this planet, and it's a very old planet. Older than most can comprehend.

Lots of life on this little rock, over its time. Lots.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen has the mind of a 6 yr old, and is simply inverting everything I say.

What a gorram child.

Yep, I totally inverted this:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

I said he sounded like an evil child murdering fascist, when really he IS one.

As for a mind of a six year old, again this stupid deluded monster tries to offload 'his' attributes on to others. Maybe he'll threaten to beat me up over the internet again, or question that maybe the joke is in my trousers, like a real grown up little boy?

What a sad deluded little monster you prove yourself to be.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, I'm going to give you another chance to explain to me what your core beliefs are. Those beliefs which are so important to you that they haven't changed, will NEVER change.

But if you can't articulate your core beliefs, I wonder: How much you do KNOW about them? What are they? What are their limits? How do they fit together?

If you can't answer those questions... questions about your very moral, intellectual, and/or emotional foundation... you're in deep trouble, my friend.

If you feel that you're simply going to get attacked, feel free to PM me.
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Pardon me if I feel less than energetic to play along. Hell, if I said the sun rose in the East, you'd find reason to fight me on it. And then call me a liar. And a racist. Why the HELL would I care to delve into any level of serious banter with you or your cohorts on my core beliefs ?

Ask yourself that question. Honestly, and think about it before you fire off some snarky little come back.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

And then somebody else would come along and say "Rapp said the Sun rises in the West" "Rapo said the Sun rises in the West" "Rapo said the Sun Rises in the West" "Rapo said the Sun rises in the West" ad nauseum.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:01 AM

America loves a winner!

citizen, dumb fuck, I'm not the one advocating any such thing remotely close to child murder. The Pal CULTURE is, by strapping bombs to it's OWN DAMN CHILDREN!!

You're such a fucking moron.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA

You really are pathetic, you cannot even be honest about something as simple as that, and then feel the need to bring out your overexposed and completely outed sock puppet to try and defend your own indefensible conduct ?

I think imma need a new toy, cause this one's broken... and yes, I *do* consider you a toy, and in this very thread explained why that happens to be the case.

-F

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:16 AM

America loves a winner!

Never been anything but honest here, Frem. Don't know why it bothers you so much, or so personally, but I guess that's more a you problem than anything.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:00 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen, dumb fuck, I'm not the one advocating any such thing remotely close to child murder. The Pal CULTURE is, by strapping bombs to it's OWN DAMN CHILDREN!!

See Sig, AURaptor's words speak for themselves.

I know where your mind of a six year old crack came from, obviously you want to murder me, and being a wanna be child murderer and all.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're such a fucking moron.

Really, it's you who thinks saying "I never said that" when YOUR WORDS are RIGHT THERE for all to see will work.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:15 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, I'm going to give you another chance to explain to me what your core beliefs are. Those beliefs which are so important to you that they haven't changed, will NEVER change.

But if you can't articulate your core beliefs, I wonder: How much you do KNOW about them? What are they? What are their limits? How do they fit together?

If you can't answer those questions... questions about your very moral, intellectual, and/or emotional foundation... you're in deep trouble, my friend.

If you feel that you're simply going to get attacked, feel free to PM me.
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Pardon me if I feel less than energetic to play along. Hell, if I said the sun rose in the East, you'd find reason to fight me on it. And then call me a liar. And a racist. Why the HELL would I care to delve into any level of serious banter with you or your cohorts on my core beliefs ?

Ask yourself that question. Honestly, and think about it before you fire off some snarky little come back.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

And then somebody else would come along and say "Rapp said the Sun rises in the West" "Rapo said the Sun rises in the West" "Rapo said the Sun Rises in the West" "Rapo said the Sun rises in the West" ad nauseum.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:24 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rapo,out of your set of core beliefs... which I have a great deal of sympathy for... how do you and I wind up so far apart?

Unfortunately. I'll have to get back later this, but I just wanted you to know that I saw and understood your post. Thanks.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:31 AM

America loves a winner!

The Pals advocate child murder, I advocate saving lives. If you were honest , at all, you'd put that in your sig.

But you're not, you're a punk and a coward and a liar.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:48 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There are 2 things we have no choice in, being born, and dying. All we do in between is basically up to us.

I wouldn't say "all" here, I think there are aspects we don't fully control.
Again, from my youth:
"What happens in a man's life is already written. A man must move through life as his destiny wills."
"Yes, yet each man is free to live as he chooses. Though they seem opposite, both are true. I do not understand it."

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:23 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Pals advocate child murder, I advocate saving lives. If you were honest , at all, you'd put that in your sig.

But you're not, you're a punk and a coward and a liar.

There's nothing dishonest about putting your full and unedited comments up for all the site to see.

There's something dishonest about saying putting your full unedited comments up to see is a lie.

I have to say I do like Punk Rock, but would never describe myself as a punk. Though I feel compelled to point out you've just proven yourself a liar and a coward. Only a liar and a coward could be too afraid to own up to their own words.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:30 AM

America loves a winner!

Can't and won't own up to what's not mine. Mis characterize me as YOU see fit, but it won't change the facts, and all who have 1/2 a brain can see what you're attempting to do. ( Those with less than 1/2 a brain, likely will be fooled and believe the crap you're spreading. )

That's what makes you a punk, a liar and a coward.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:45 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Can't and won't own up to what's not mine. Mis characterize me as YOU see fit, but it won't change the facts, and all who have 1/2 a brain can see what you're attempting to do. ( Those with less than 1/2 a brain, likely will be fooled and believe the crap you're spreading. )

That's what makes you a punk, a liar and a coward.

Talking to the mirror can't help you now, baby killer!

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:18 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

When I was a young pup, I advocated the killing of trespassers.

During the first Gulf War, I had a cut out newspaper photograph of Saddam Hussein taped to my dartboard, so I could fantasize about murdering him repeatedly with my dart pistol.

When I got F-15 Strike Eagle on my Apple II+, I wished I could bomb Iran just like in the video game.

I once could be quoted as saying that all people with serious inheritable diseases should be sterilized.

I wasn't always the man I am today. I have changed a lot from my more foolish youth. I find much of my brash opinions from those days to be lamentable.

I am glad there is no one quoting my bone-headed statements of days gone by, because I should very much look the monster in such a case.

Perhaps AuRaptor laments his brash comment, but finds himself unable to escape it. Most people could just move on and forget it, but he is faced with that quote in every thread. He clearly wants to disown it, but how?

You've made me feel sorry for AuRaptor.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:25 AM

America loves a winner!

I don't lament my comment in the least. What I lament, using your word, is that there's a mindset out there, a culture of people ( it's not a race, nor religion specific ) which willfully and gleefully brain washes it's children to martyr themselves , while murdering 10's or 100's of innocent people, out of pure, unadulterated and unchecked hatred for what ever the hell cause they think is just. Oh sure, today they'll claim Palestinian independence, but once that is achieved ( they already had a chance at that, peacefully ) , what then will be their excuse ?

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:28 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'm sorry...

you don't lament suggesting that innocent babies strapped with explosives should be assassinated along with their handlers (mothers?)

I want to be clear on this. You think the babies ought to be offed, too? This wasn't a careless or emotional response offered in the heat of the moment?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:29 AM

America loves a winner!

Just so everyone is clear

You're for murdering babies, while still in the womb, right? Under the guise of ' women's health care ', aka abortion rights. Yes or no?

But when it comes to Pal women putting bombs on their children, either to brain wash them to grow up hating the Jews and wanting to murder as many as they can, or to actually blow up the baby as is, say in a stroller which is packed full of explosives and razor sharp shrapnel.... you got no problems w/ that in the least.

Wow.

All I got is ..... wow.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:33 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

AuRaptor, it sounds as if you are saying that "If a baby is likely (in my opinion) to grow up with beliefs hostile to me, that baby should be executed pre-emptively to save me trouble later."

This seems rather mafia-esque or Medieval.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:37 AM

America loves a winner!

Well, a baby isn't exactly going to detonate a bomb trigger on its own. It is the definition of innocence, no matter how horrid its own mother/ handler might be, or their intentions.

Only in Hollywood or pure fiction would there likely be a scenario where a baby or toddler should be offed for the sake of saving a bus or market area full of people. Such a real world situation seems extremely unlikely.

Such bombs would be on a timer or remotely detonated, and the condition of the child as merely a bomb transport really isn't all that significant.

T, once again, you've shown to be a reasonable rascal. Touche'.

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Hello,

AuRaptor, it sounds as if you are saying that "If a baby is likely (in my opinion) to grow up with beliefs hostile to me, that baby should be executed pre-emptively to save me trouble later."

This seems rather mafia-esque or Medieval.

Nope. Not my intention or meaning in the least. Pardon the confusion.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:41 AM

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What I lament, using your word, is that there's a mindset out there, a culture of people ( it's not a race, nor religion specific ) which willfully and gleefully brain washes it's children to martyr themselves , while murdering 10's or 100's of innocent people, out of pure, unadulterated and unchecked hatred for what ever the hell cause they think is just.

Of course, these exact same words could be used to describe many of those who join our military. Not all, mind you, but there ARE those of a certain mindset there who joined just because that's the culture they were born into, and they'll so completely trust in those who raised them to be cannon-fodder that they'll gleefully throw themselves in harm's way to "protect" a country that would just as soon use them up and throw them away.

In the U.S., we often call them "patriots".

Guess it's a matter of perspective...

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:44 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Can we please continue this here? This thread is getting impossibly long.

www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37508

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:54 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Such bombs would be on a timer or remotely detonated, and the condition of the child as merely a bomb transport really isn't all that significant.

And yet you STILL want to "take care" of them. Even though there's no practical reason too.

That's sick!

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:06 AM

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Hello,

Chronology, Citizen.

He has since reversed his position.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:35 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Chronology, Citizen.

He has since reversed his position.

--Anthony

Erm, no he hasn't?

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Chronology, Citizen.

He has since reversed his position.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Clarified, not reversed. To be specific.

"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.

The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:42 AM

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Hello,

Refined, then? :-)

The point is that AuRaptor has stated that he no longer advocates shooting innocent children if it can at all be avoided, because they are not the ones in control of the demolitions in question.

The recognition of 'innocent people' who should 'not' be killed is a revelation, and a good one.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:48 AM

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He's still not disavowed his previous statements, and I don't see anything in his posts that really says he's reconsidered the baby killing issue. The only time he's referenced his previous statements, was to say he stands by them utterly. I'm not going to believe a one post seeing of the light.

If he, right now, says "My previous statements were completely wrong, I have changed my mind, I apologise unreservedly for my evil statements, and hope you all can show me more mercy and forgiveness than I was prepared to show an innocent baby that hadn't done anything" or words to that effect, I'll reconsider.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:59 AM

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Hello,

Well, I don't think that asking someone to prostrate themselves and make obsequious statements is going to accomplish anything. He has, in effect, disavowed the critical aspect of his previous statements, which was the baby killing.

Let me find the relevant quote:

"Taking out the handler, and leaving the innocent kid in one piece, would clearly be preferable."

Here we have

A) An acknowledgement that the kid is innocent.

And

B) A desire to not harm the innocent kid.

Since this statement contra-indicates the original premise 'might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill' then we can clearly see he is no longer advocating child murder.

His new position can be best paraphrased as, 'might be a good idea to ace the handler and leave the baby intact.'

Which I think is a position we can all agree with.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:06 AM

I think AuRaptor's version of "man up, apologize, and move on" goes more like

"Ok, General."

It's not like he's ever going to just come out and admit that he was wrong.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:07 AM

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Bullshit, it's not good enough. He clearly said he wants to have babies murdered, I'm not going to let him wriggle out of it with a hand wave. He wouldn't let anyone else off so easy, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve such understanding.

And frankly, his position isn't all that much further away from the original Himmler-esque crap. It's just a different spin on the whole "it'll sure be a shame that we have to kill all them kids" vibe.

Frankly, what I said would be the BARE MINIMUM for me to even start to consider letting this drop. If you say killing babies is a fine and dandy idea, you have to work exceedingly fucking hard to redeem yourself. And by that, I don't mean say "ok I'd rather not kill them, but whatchya gonna do?"

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:19 AM

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Hello,

Citizen, if the only way you will let our enemies back down from a fight is by forcing them to prostrate themselves in a position that robs them of all dignity, then you will spend your entire life fighting. It is much preferable, I think, to accept a simple concession of principles, and move on.

Otherwise you will find yourself perpetually prosecuting people for past sins, simply because it was not enough for them to change their position. They had to do it with pride-breaking fanfare.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:29 AM

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I wonder if any of the Nazi's in the Nuremburg trials thought of just saying "hey, I don't think we should kill all the Jews now!". Then we could have let them off.

That's fine if your 'enemy' has just called you an arsehole, but if they've just said "hey I'm down with the baby massacre!" then it requires a bit more contrition than "Hey, I don't really want too, but I still would."

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:38 AM

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Hello,

Citizen, your analogy would only ring true if AuRaptor had actually murdered babies.

Instead, what happened was he said, "Yeah, we ought to kill those babies along with their handlers," and then, whilst still not having killed any babies said, "Well, on second thought I see what you mean. The babies are innocent. We just ought to kill the handlers if at all possible."

If you are going to persecute people for merely thinking about murder, and then changing their minds, then please add me to your tagline.

Anthony thinks about murdering innocent people:

"I have, from time to time, murdered countless people within the confines of my imagination." --Anthony

You could also try this -

Anthony advocates executing criminals without trial:

"I once taped a newspaper photo of Saddam Hussein to my dartboard, and shot him repeatedly with my dart pistol. I imagined in my mind that I was a government assassin or sniper, murdering this murderer and ending his brand of evil forever." --Anthony

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Cit, it would be cathartic if rapo would admit openly that he was wrong. But that's not gonna happen anytime soon. I can think of a lot of reasons why not... and none to do with sheer cussedness. Might be time to graciously accept the clarification... and, oh yeah... continue in the OTHER thread???

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Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Anthony thinks about murdering innocent people:

"I have, from time to time, murdered countless people within the confines of my imagination." --Anthony

You could also try this -

Anthony advocates executing criminals without trial:

"I once taped a newspaper photo of Saddam Hussein to my dartboard, and shot him repeatedly with my dart pistol. I imagined in my mind that I was a government assassin or sniper, murdering this murderer and ending his brand of evil forever." --Anthony

Those are examples that are as unlike his statements as my analogy.

And actually, he's still saying he is ok with killing babies, just that he'd feel bad about it after. He's not changed his position, he's put a slightly different spin on it. You've been taken in by his phony pretence at "refining" his views. I haven't. And I'm not going to let a wannabe baby murderer off with a "I would feel a little twinge of guilt about it afterwards".

I see no reason why I'd extend him more mercy than he'd extend to anyone else, or an innocent baby for that matter.

AURaptor advocates child murder:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.

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