Uh.. swine flu? We're toast. by AgentRouka

AgentR ?

It amuses me greatly to call you that btw, can I be AgentF ?
(MIB reference, hehe)

See my posts and others relevant in this thread.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38000

This has Donald Rumsfeld written ALL over it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:58 AM

Oh yes, and one of the major players tapped for producing a fast-tracked and likely approved without sufficient testing "vaccine" ?

Baxter.

You know, the guys who got caught red handed shipping live virus in with vaccine lots ?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=ayjJIr6dL9CA&refer
=uk

'Expertise' ?
Uh, yeah, suuuure....

And who will be the primary beneficiary of all those juicy government $$$ ?

Why, Gilead and Roche, of COURSE.

Gee, what a non-surprise.

I am not hinting, I am coming right out, right up front and calling this whole thing deliberate, and will lay good odds that the infection itself was caused deliberately by exploitation of Mexicos weaker controls and inspections process.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:06 AM

HERO

The whole country has swine flu...from tainted pork...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:12 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Hero:
The whole country has swine flu...from tainted pork...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

Uht-oh... I bet Muslims and Jews won't get it.

We are SOOOOO screwed.

(It was a joke, people. Lighten up.)

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:13 AM

I *DO* find it a little odd that all through the weekend they weren't worried, didn't want to close the borders, couldn't see any reason to do anything more than just "monitor the situation"...

And now they say it's too late for containment.

Nice.

If this was just a fuck-up, you really couldn't PLAN a better fuck-up!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:22 AM

Ok, time to play hardball, here's how it is, folks.

It's not a fuckup Mikey, it's too clean and perfect for one, and the evidence is sitting right in front of us once you clear away the media smokescreen.

When was the last time you heard me come flat out and call something like this up front ?

Oh, yeah - Gardasil.

Chapter and Verse all the way down the line, from trying to sell as much of it as possible before the explosion of deadly side effects made the truth undeniable - to "mandatory" vaccinations, which we *WILL* see at least attempts to roll out, to massive profits and the companies ducking the boomerang as VAERS actively suppresses as much of the aftermath as possible.

And all the while being called a crank, crazy talker, what have you - despite having been correct in every respect from the very beginning.

And I am telling you now, flat out - this is a setup.

CASE IN PROGRESS

1. Baxter and the live virus shipments, something that could NOT have happened by accident.

2. Flu outbreak tracing being classified by the CDC when those outbreaks started tracing back to flu shot clinics.(1)

3. The particular strain being something already-sold stockpiles have little or no effect on, cause that wouldn't make any PROFIT, yes ?

4. The involvement of Gilead, Don Rumsfeld, and the fact that this is an almost identical repeat of the events of 1976.

5. The convenient non-closure of the border over a weekend, not that it would have done much good anyhow given how porous it is.

6. The media hype, featuring FDA and CDC personnel with known conflicts of interest and/or financial involvement with the companies that will benefit.

7. One of the suspect parties, Baxter, being tapped as first-in-line for a solution, that's like hiring Moriarty to investigate, innit ?

WHAT'S COMING ?

8. The involved companies are going to demand lawsuit immunity before handing over the goods, JUST like they did in 1976, you just watch.

9. Politicians are gonna push "mandatory" vaccinations with this stuff, that's almost a given.

10. The FDA is gonna play very fast and loose with the approval process, resulting in even more of a token effort than Gardasil got.

And so on and so forth, the possibilities range from total chaos and carnage when the side effects and/or damage from the vaccines start to pile up, or if they pile up in combination with a pandemic that the vaccine isn't stopping(2) and the useful "National Emergency" which is all it'd take to rip the dustcover off REX84/Garden Plot and implement it, especially since we now conveniently have the troops and equipment in place to do so(3), and sufficient facilities(4) to carry it out.

The worst POSSIBLE thing to do right now is give in to the panic that the powers that be are trying to cause, because this has all the hallmarks of a test-run that could go live if it looks like they could get away with it, or can be quickly buried and denied if not enough people fall for it.

It's Knight to Kings three and hold the line, is what it is.

Notes:
(1) Actually this isn't likely due to conventional flu shots, but rather an aberration caused by use of FluMist, which uses a live virus and according to it's own handout pamphlet, does indeed cause the recipient to become at least semi-infectious to others.

"It has been documented that the live viruses from the vaccine can be shed (and potentially spread into the community) from recipient children for up to 21 days, and even longer from adults. Viral shedding also puts breastfeeding infants at risk if mother has been given FluMist.

In addition to shedding via nasal secretions, the virus can be dispersed through sneezing. What is the normal physiological response when an irritant enters the nasal passages? A sneeze…sometimes a big sneeze…sometimes several big sneezes. Therefore, the risk for shedding—and spreading—live viruses throughout a school, church, workplace, or store – especially one which is administering the vaccine."
- Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

You can imagine the results of a sneezing small child blowing live virus all over a walmart full of shoppers, many of whom are elderly, yes ?
Which is why we brought the potential liability issues up with them and convinced them to NOT offer FluMist, although others were less circumspect.

(2) Even if the vaccine is effective, do you really doubt that a government with a proven history of this kind of behavior wouldn't stoop to other means given their control over so many aspects of our lives which could be used as vectors, or even "accidental" contamination of the water supply by pharma corps already proven to have done it ?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23503485/

(3) Remember, some of us were already suspicious about deploying the "Dirty 3rd" to active duty here with control of US Citizens as their mission.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008
113002217.html

(4) Good ole Haliburton, KBR and a lot of construction that drew a few gimlet eyes on more than one end of the political spectrum.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198456,00.html

And take note that I am using ONLY established, mainstream sources with verified sourcing here, to discount any possibility of this information not being factual in nature.

The linchpin which this rests upon, that presents a primary danger is National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51 aka "ED 51".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_and_Homeland_Security_P
residential_Directive
Which of course, the text of is not "officially" available to us peons, or even our elected representatives, not that this precisely kept certain folk from knowing it's contents.

It's basically an update of Ford's infamous executive order 11921.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11921

Folks, this isn't some pie in the sky "Theory", this is a clear and present danger based on documented facts, which piece by piece were pointed out directly to you as maneuvers to such an end to begin with, and now that the table is set and the silverware is all laid out...

The powers that be only need that one key piece, that "national emergency" to assume "temporary" control, which anyone with half a brain knows would go just like it has in every other historical case.

And there's the bait, hanging in front of you all tantalizing and sparkling.

And here's me, showing you the fucking hook and asking you not to bite.

It's really not simpler than that.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:57 AM

AGENTROUKA

Thanks for the grim picture, AgentF.

I credit this site entirely with making me inherently sceptical of the entire mess right away. I've grown a whole new continent of sceptical in my head since frequenting this board.

It just seems to sudden and so very badly handled. Why all this crazy waving of hands?

So far, no one I know has had much of a reaction, though, so if they are hoping to spread panic, it's not working.

Let's see, let's see.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:01 AM

SERGEANTX

I dunno. I suspect it's more opportunistic and happenstance than all that. Not to say that there aren't those who harbor nefarious plans, but I think, mostly, they just seize opportunities rather than create them.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I think, mostly, they just seize opportunities rather than create them.

I think they create them, mostly by accident (see: AIDS), then exploit them.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:29 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I dunno. I suspect it's more opportunistic and happenstance than all that. Not to say that there aren't those who harbor nefarious plans, but I think, mostly, they just seize opportunities rather than create them.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Agreed. I don't think we planned 9/11. I don't ever WANT to think that we'd do that. But I know for a fact that we exploited the living shit out of it once it happened.

Likewise, I don't think we'd plan and unleash an epidemic - but we'd sure as hell try to use it to our advantage - nationally speaking, of course - if it happened.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:30 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Enjoy your Mexican flu with wide-open borders for 100-million illegal aliens.

Govt swine flu bioweapon bomb explodes on train
www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,621598,00.html

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:36 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Swine flu has been around for millennia, or longer. MOST flu (except the pandemic of 1917 and bird flu) comes from pigs - they incubate human, swine and bird flu together and sometimes end up with hybrid varieties that can go from them to humans, and then humans to humans. This is already a known, well-established scenario. My recollection is that every flu in the flu vaccine for the last number of years was a pig-originating strain. (The 1917 pandemic probably came directly from birds.)

With modern travel, these diseases then go from place to place literally within hours. (The Coming Plague - Laurie Garrett) Again, this is a well-known risk.

Once a flu has been identified as a potential threat, public health agencies set up surveillance systems, which consist of swabbing people's noses or throats with cotton swabs and sending them off for laboratory analysis. So it's no surprise that once they start looking for a new flu they find it in increasing numbers.

Given that public health agencies are often under-funded (like your county hospital), and that there is no mandate to require private health systems to screen for these problems, officials already KNOW that if they find a few cases, there are already many, many more are undetected.

That's how an outbreak can go from a small problem to an 'uncontained' one in what seems to be overnight. It snuck in, no one noticed, and no one looked. Now they are looking and finding it everywhere. And they know that it is already far more prevalent than they are detecting.

The way to keep it - or any disease - from spreading is to make the convenience of modern travel MUCH less convenient - probably quarantine everyone for 24-48 hours and check them for disease before releasing them.

Inconvenient travel is what keeps Ebola contained.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Inconvenient travel is what keeps Ebola contained.

Martial law, Rue?
This plague after terrorism & financial meltdown...
Is this the end of technological man? Is this the conclusion of all our yesterdays, the boasts of science, the superhuman conquests of space and time... the age of the wheel?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:16 AM

STORYMARK

Whoa... someone turned this into a conspiracy theory? Totally didn't see that coming...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:23 AM

OPPYH

Well if this kicks in and becomes more lethal...with no cure 90% of the earths population should be gone by the year 2012.

Have a great week everyone

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Inconvenient travel is what keeps Ebola contained.

Martial law, Rue?
This plague after terrorism & financial meltdown...
Is this the end of technological man? Is this the conclusion of all our yesterdays, the boasts of science, the superhuman conquests of space and time... the age of the wheel?

The laughing Chrisisall

Or is it just the flu?

Seriously, some of y'all are acting like this is The Big One. It's not the big one - it's just another one.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:29 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Well if this kicks in and becomes more lethal...with no cure 90% of the earths population should be gone by the year 2012.

Have a great week everyone

That's just unacceptable! Why, at those rates, there'd hardly be anyone left worth torturing!

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:29 AM

I feel like Charlton Heston already...

The Omega Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:41 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Martial law, Rue?"

Not that I was recommending it. I can't remember which book it was I read - The Hot Zone, The Coming Plague, or one of a half-dozen others on the topic. Getting to the villages with Ebola often took nearly a week's travel by Jeep or other utility vehicle, over barely visible jungle trails, often with no bridges - it was extremely arduous. And foreign travel even from Kinshasa by the people likely to be infected isn't likely. That the Ebola outbreaks don't take off is in part due to their remoteness from international travel.

As for general travel around the globe - you take the good with the bad, I guess. If you want relatively traveler- and business-friendly transport that's relatively cheap, infected travelers and infectious cargo are the risks that comes along with it (like the exploding sample of swine flu PN posted about).

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:00 AM

Then...this is the end.

Bye cruel world, don't let the 'versal door hit ya on the way out.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:02 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

WAIT !

DON'T DO ANYTHING RASH !

Probably not now.

Now, if the virus were to mutate and become very virulent ...

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:27 PM