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Originally posted by 2by2gingerblue:
Religion is ones own choice and I choose to not have a religion, but I do agree this is really going overboard. Do you think the city is looking for more revenue to support the shrinking tax base! If you can't tax them writ a ticket and make them pay a fine in court.
Just a thought.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not having all the information, all I can offer is a knee-jerk reaction to what I've read on your links:

Sounds pretty freaking wrong. I'm no christian - in fact, far, FAR from it - but people should absolutely have the right to practice their religion in their own home, and should be allowed to exercise that right with friends.

Put it this way: If I have a couple friends over and we're discussing our religious beliefs or lack thereof, are WE going to get a ticket and a fine for that?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not having all the information, all I can offer is a knee-jerk reaction to what I've read on your links:

Sounds pretty freaking wrong. I'm no christian - in fact, far, FAR from it - but people should absolutely have the right to practice their religion in their own home, and should be allowed to exercise that right with friends.

Put it this way: If I have a couple friends over and we're discussing our religious beliefs or lack thereof, are WE going to get a ticket and a fine for that?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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If I remember right, you live in Texas, Kwicko. I can't see you Texans putting up with that kind of crap more than, say, five seconds, lol.

THis is in the People's Republic of California (PRC), where things are 'different', heee!

I can tell you it wouldn't fly here, either.

What gets me is, no matter where in the US you may be, the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to worship, the right to assemble, and the right to free speech.

The city hasn't a leg to stand on, and probably knows it, yet they still go forward with something like this.

Pure crap, IMO.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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As for the case at hand, I'll always stand up for folks rights even if I don't care for them folk or what use they put em to - if it had not already been brought to the attention of the UU, I woulda done so, cause given anti-religious bias, which I don't necessarily blame em for, I suspect the ACLU would be less than helpful here.

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Originally posted by badkarma00:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not having all the information, all I can offer is a knee-jerk reaction to what I've read on your links:

Sounds pretty freaking wrong. I'm no christian - in fact, far, FAR from it - but people should absolutely have the right to practice their religion in their own home, and should be allowed to exercise that right with friends.

Put it this way: If I have a couple friends over and we're discussing our religious beliefs or lack thereof, are WE going to get a ticket and a fine for that?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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If I remember right, you live in Texas, Kwicko. I can't see you Texans putting up with that kind of crap more than, say, five seconds, lol.

THis is in the People's Republic of California (PRC), where things are 'different', heee!

I can tell you it wouldn't fly here, either.

What gets me is, no matter where in the US you may be, the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to worship, the right to assemble, and the right to free speech.

The city hasn't a leg to stand on, and probably knows it, yet they still go forward with something like this.

Pure crap, IMO.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

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When you're right, you're right, BK. Yup, I live in Texas, and no, we aren't too likely to put up with that for very long. About as long as it takes to pull a gun, in fact. :)

And while the city may know it's over the line, that won't stop them from trying to push it. Why? One word: Precedent. Say it slowly, learn it, know it. If they do it and it's allowed to stand, even by some podunk little JP court, they've got somewhat of a legal leg to stand on in the form of precedent - it makes it both easier to do it again (or push even further) AND it makes it a little easier to push it through an appeals court.

Sad but true. And they're probably hoping they can bankrupt these people if they try to fight it in the courts.

As someone who is fairly "anti" Christian, even I'm disturbed by this, and if they fight it, I just might donate money to their defense fund. Like I say time and time again, what they'll do to you today, they'll do to me tomorrow. But only if we LET them.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The UU caught wind of this too, those jerks won't know what hit em...

Also, Texas didn't mind it when the FLDS fiasco went on, something initially started by Baptists trying to start shit with Non-Mainstream Mormons, something which the fallout from is still landing here and there - and add on Gov Perry's attempt to legally mandate a dangerous and ineffective vaccine on top of it, and you might wanna revisit your perceptions of Texas lately...

As for the case at hand, I'll always stand up for folks rights even if I don't care for them folk or what use they put em to - if it had not already been brought to the attention of the UU, I woulda done so, cause given anti-religious bias, which I don't necessarily blame em for, I suspect the ACLU would be less than helpful here.

I'd like to be wrong, however.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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They aren't any less likely to tolerate something like this than we are here in Tennessee. I mean, most of them are decendants of Tennesseans after all

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Originally posted by AG05:
Why don't they just call it a book club and be done with it?

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.

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Originally posted by AG05:
Why don't they just call it a book club and be done with it?

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
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Not a bad idea at all! And when someone asks what they're studying, they can say it's just some old work of fiction. :P

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

"You're a idiot." -AuRaptor, RWED, May 27, 2009.

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County won't force permit on Bible study leaders...

Barraged by hundreds of complaints, San Diego County officials backed down yesterday from their enforcement.
“No one respects the right to free religious expression more than I do, and no one would find the infringement of such rights more abhorrent,” county Chief Administrative Officer Walt Ekard said in a statement.
Chandra Wallar, the county's general manager of land use and environment, said the county has re-examined the situation and decided that the Joneses don't need a permit after all.

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