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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Are you talking about the OPTIONAL "living will" counseling that they removed, or the "MANDATORY DEATH PANELS" that were never in there, and still aren't?

This is great - you've just handed the insurance industry MORE of your money, since now if you want a consultation regarding a living will, a DNR order, or any kind of end-of-life planning ("Pull the plug if I'm a vegetable and brain dead" or "Take every heroic measure possible to keep my heart beating, even if my brain is the consistency of curdled yogurt") with your doctor, you get to pay for it out of your pocket, regardless of whether you have health insurance or not.

Explain to me how this is a "win" for anyone who doesn't work for an insurance company.

Mike

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Take every heroic measure possible to keep my heart beating, even if my brain is the consistency of curdled yogurt"

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Point being, even now, the pros in the biz are aware of the issues, and are gonna mention it, ask ya about it, warn ya to think about it, any time you get in a serious enough situation to require surgery, just in case. They may not pressure you for an answer, but they'll talk about it.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Gotta tell ya, I was hospitalized this spring with some heart trouble and had 3 different cardiac catheterizations.( Spell checker sez I didn't spell that right, but I don't care, ya know, it's that thing where they put a gadget in the artery in your leg and then work on yer heart from the inside.) Each time, as part of the prep, somebody came around and explained that I was gonna be anesthetized, which could kill me, or the heart proceedure could kill me, tho neither one of those was as likely as one of Mal's plans working out. Twice I was visited by priests beforehand ( Catholic hospitals...) to ask if I had filed an end of life directive, permanent power of attorney, wanted last rites or religious councilling even tho' I'm not Catholic, etc.

I kept discussing it with these various folks and my wife, and I kept saying the same things: I didn't want to be Terry Schiavo, but I didn't want them to just pull the plug if my heart stopped, without trying to revive me. Wanted some kind of middle course, especially if it looked like I could recover from whatever might go wrong. To which my primary cardiologist said, " Of course, that's what we figured to do if things went wrong, which they ain't gonna."

Well, they didn't and I'm still here, no more brain-damaged than I was before.

Point being, even now, the pros in the biz are aware of the issues, and are gonna mention it, ask ya about it, warn ya to think about it, any time you get in a serious enough situation to require surgery, just in case. They may not pressure you for an answer, but they'll talk about it.

They might not if you were in a long term, nursing home or similar situation, but in the hospital, they will fer shure.

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And yes, they do talk with you about this when you check into a nursing home and when they annually review your file.

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:

The biggest thing is to talk with your family about your wishes.

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And yes, they do talk with you about this when you check into a nursing home and when they annually review your file.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What do Scions have to do with the governor and the weather?

Mike

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What do Scions have to do with the governor and the weather?

Mike

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I don't have to give the insurance companys my money, BUT I will have to pay the government or be fined..........and Scions are still ugly.

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It would be awfully nice to have this covered by insurance.

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