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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
Okay, i'm sure you all know about it now, so i'll just tell you. The house has passed the refom bill with a 220-215 majority. One republican voted yeah to it, and thirty-nine democrats voted nay to the bill. Now the Senate has to vote, and it's almost assured that there will be a filibuster, and the democrats have no cloture motion option to stop it, inother words, only having 59%, or 59 seats on the Senast for the Democrats is no good. If it does get passed in the Senate, then it will go to Conference comittee for a new version of the bill to be approved again by bothe the House and the Senate, then if both pass it, it will go to President Obama.

Confusing i know, but it was designed that way, and it works.

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Originally posted by whozit:

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Barry will sign anything, he just wants the photo-op........and he's stupid and has huge ears

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WhoseZit, you're slipping. You forgot the part about him liking sweaty man sex.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:

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Originally posted by whozit:

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Barry will sign anything, he just wants the photo-op........and he's stupid and has huge ears

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WhoseZit, you're slipping. You forgot the part about him liking sweaty man sex.

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Oh ya thanks, and he's a perv.

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This past summer, the Senate wrote into its budget rules that beginning Oct. 15, they could use a procedural maneuver called "reconciliation" to pass health care reform, which would allow the bill to pass with 51 votes instead of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster. A committee in the House of Representatives today quietly took the precautions necessary to allow the Senate to proceed with reconciliation, if it comes to that.

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I've been saying to my wife for quite some time now that something as monumental as Nationalized Healthcare (or however you want to name it) should be put to a national vote. The PEOPLE should be allowed to decide. Not the representatives, not the senators. THE PEOPLE who put them there should have a say in this. That way, there can be no complaining about lobbyists. That way the bill would have to be out for all to see in all it's glory (ugly or otherwise) - on-line for months, not hours. And the stipulation should be that there would be NO advertising for or against it. Pundits and journalists can rant and/or rave all they want. That way the people would be forced to educate themselves in the manner they choose.

Just my two cents.

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
I hope the Senate can pass a bill. There is mechanism by which the 60-vote cloture isn't necessary.

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This past summer, the Senate wrote into its budget rules that beginning Oct. 15, they could use a procedural maneuver called "reconciliation" to pass health care reform, which would allow the bill to pass with 51 votes instead of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster. A committee in the House of Representatives today quietly took the precautions necessary to allow the Senate to proceed with reconciliation, if it comes to that.

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I hope they man up and do what they need to do. If meaningful health care reform isn't passed, our people and economy will continue to be bled dry by the health insurances.

Americans are being overly influenced by the hysterical lies and rantings of the right wing. They're fearful with no reason; a year of experience with health-care reform under their belt will acquaint them with reality.

BTW- At least a third of Americans are overtly delusional. I have no idea why we have such a high percentage of crazies in our country, but I think it has to do with extreme religious belief.

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I've been saying to my wife for quite some time now that something as monumental as Nationalized Healthcare (or however you want to name it) should be put to a national vote. The PEOPLE should be allowed to decide. Not the representatives, not the senators. THE PEOPLE who put them there should have a say in this. That way, there can be no complaining about lobbyists. That way the bill would have to be out for all to see in all it's glory (ugly or otherwise) - on-line for months, not hours. And the stipulation should be that there would be NO advertising for or against it. Pundits and journalists can rant and/or rave all they want. That way the people would be forced to educate themselves in the manner they choose.

Just my two cents.

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The American public doesn't want to educate themselves on these topics. They can't be bothered. When they cast a vote for a representative nowadays, what they're essentially doing is passing the buck. They are saying, "I don't want to have responsibility for making these decisions. I'm voting for you to take my responsibility from me so that I can conveniently live without dealing with political issues."

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The American public doesn't want to educate themselves on these topics. They can't be bothered. When they cast a vote for a representative nowadays, what they're essentially doing is passing the buck. They are saying, "I don't want to have responsibility for making these decisions. I'm voting for you to take my responsibility from me so that I can conveniently live without dealing with political issues."

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Well, a big part of that is that the average American these days is working their frakking arse off at one or more jobs, trying to keep their head above water, trying to keep their family whole and healthy, trying to figure out how they're going to make ends meet or where they're going to live if one of them gets sick.

It'd be nice if everybody would educate themselves on political issues, but for an awful lot of people today, the thing they most want to do if and when they get a tiny bit of free time is ESCAPE from this reality, not look deeper into it. Frankly, I can't blame them for that, but it really doesn't help matters. :(

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