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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
...eventually folk would begin to target and assassinate police, especially notoriously abusive ones, of which there are many....
Anyhows, I am hopin this isn't the start of a trend,

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I am kinda hopin this is an isolated incident rather than a taste of things to come because if communities really do start going insurgent against their own police forces, things could get ugly in a hurry - if they really wanna STOP that behavior, quit bankrolling it.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Extensive record of violent crime and out on bail at the time of the shooting for assaulting an officer and second-degree rape of a child. I'm wondering if it isn't 'suicide by cop'?

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Originally posted by Hero:
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I understand folks complaining about Huckabee (although the Willie Horton comparison does not hold water...it just looks real bad from a Monday morning quarterback perspective), but Huckabee didn't set the guys bail too low for child rape and assaulting a police officer. Sounds like a liberal Judge problem.

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Originally posted by Hero:

Last year we had a local cop shot and killed during a routine traffic stop. Guy had no record and was not drunk and had a licensed firearm...he was a highly educated male nurse. Got stopped, pulled his gun, shot the officer, walked over and put two more round through his head after the officer was on the ground. Going to trial in December.

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Cop.
to steal; filch.
to buy (narcotics).
cop out, to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out.
cop a plea.
to plead guilty or confess in return for receiving a lighter sentence.
to plead guilty to a lesser charge as a means of bargaining one's way out of standing trial for a more serious charge; plea-bargain.
-Random House Unabridged Dictionary

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I understand folks complaining about Huckabee (although the Willie Horton comparison does not hold water...it just looks real bad from a Monday morning quarterback perspective)

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Mike Huckabeee issued this statement:

Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State. He was recommended for and received a commutation of his original sentence from 1990, making him parole eligible and was paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time. He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him. It appears that he has continued to have a string of criminal and psychotic behavior but was not kept incarcerated by either state. This is a horrible and tragic event and if found and convicted the offender should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Our thoughts and prayers are and should be with the families of those honorable, brave, and heroic police officers.

The revelation marks the second time Huckabee's clemency decisions have become an issue. During the 2007-2008 campaign, the story of his 1999 grant of clemency to convicted rapist Wayne Dumond, who went on to rape again, was widely reported.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


So how is it that comparisons to Willie Horton don't hold water?

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Officials at the scene said two suspects had opened fire, KOMO-TV reported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8385421.stm

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"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches. If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head. I was talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn't say who they are, and their guns are out, they're shooting, and they're in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you're going to do that, you should know that they're wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I'm doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated."
-G Gordon Liddy, FBI agent, Nixon White House lawyer, convicted Watergate felon, NeoCon radio host on his radio show
www.liddyshow.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy

"How can I get the Captain to shoot a cop in the face, and make it right? That extra moment of sadism - that's the thing that says it's okay, buddy, you're not up to spec, you're going down!"
-Joss Whedon, Firefly DVD, censored Episode 1 "Serenity"

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“Chris was not a terrorist. He loved and respected the law. His track record not only exemplifies that, but also his ideals reflected his commitment to support the community, a community which includes law enforcement. These allegations are preposterous. It seems when a man of color pursues greatness he is tracked down like a run-away slave when it is obvious that he has God-given abilities. Take time to reflect on his life and his track record. Do his past actions look even remotely close to the allegations this police department is making? Who saw the incident? What witnesses do the police have? I know my brother and I know he is no criminal. From what I understand from the community in Seattle, the police department has been known to abuse black males. Living in Los Angeles during the riots, this looks very similar in police tactics to me. I would hope you would use your publication as a vehicle to find what the "truth" truly is. Not only are they trying to kill my brother, but they are trying to kill his reputation as an honest, brilliant, focused, hard-working African-American man. If you need some background information that is truthful and unbiased you can contact me at any time. Please do not hide nor withhold this email from anyone. We have nothing to hide. Also, tell the police department to let Christopher's mother see him in the hospital. That's her right as a mother. Thank you.

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A veteran Seattle police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday that officers are being told to make sure to carry rifles and shotguns on duty.

At each site, investigators found an American flag.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I think we all know exactly how this is gonna go.
Dead men tell no tales indeed, and certainly cannot protest claims against them.

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A couple dozen police officers milled around at the scene where Clemmons apparently was shot, shaking hands and patting each other on the back later Tuesday morning

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

That said, I *highly doubt* he was offered any chance to stop and surrender, or that it would have been accepted if he had - cops were lookin to kill the guy, and meant to do so regardless, which *does* offend me a bit, as does this...

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A couple dozen police officers milled around at the scene where Clemmons apparently was shot, shaking hands and patting each other on the back later Tuesday morning

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Look around you, at children struggling in this world, at kids being sent up by juvie into a youth detention that hardens them into monsters, and listen to the song of their hearts.

Tick tick tick, bombs in the making, powered by hate and an unconscious revenge seeking against their fellow man.

And sooner or later, boom, just like this.

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