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Might even say, I provoke to further the discussion. To broaden horizons, say...

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"Cause, you know... the Washington Post is as fair and as balanced as Fox News."

Of course there was that ABC report where 62 % favored it that was mentioned in the quote. But I forgot myself ... you don't know how to read very well. (And heaven help us, you actually think you're teaching others how to read.)

So, for people who DO know how to read:

June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 ... (New York Times/CBS News poll)

78% percent said that a pubic option was either extremely important of very important. (Survey USA)

60% said they wanted a public option under any healthcare reform legislation. (Thompson Reuters Survey)

76% said a public option was either extremely or quite important. (Wall Street Journal)

I'm betting that Wulfie won't be able to read this either, btw.

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Polls from June mean nothing now. They didn't get it done when they had some support before the Summer, now it's way way down. 8 dem reps have announced they won't seek re-election, and one has actually switched to Republican. The guy yesterday said he thinks his party is suicidal. Biden's son dropped out of the Senate race in Delaware. Dodd is retiring, and Reid is toast in Nevada. New Gallop Poll says 70+% now glad Dem supermajority is gone. But nevermind all that, libs just know what's right for everyone I guess.

From Rassmussen:
Date
Favor ..top #
Oppose ...bottom #

Jan 20-21
40%
58%

Jan 16-17
38%
56%

Jan 8-9
40%
55%

Jan 3
42%
52%

Dec 29
39%
58%

Dec 27
40%
55%

Dec 18-19
41%
55%

Dec 12-13
40%
56%

Dec 4-5
41%
51%

Nov 29
41%
53%

Nov 21-22
38%
56%

Nov 13-14
47%
49%

Nov 7-8
45%
52%

Oct 30-31
42%
54%

Oct 24-25
45%
51%

Oct 16-17
42%
54%

Oct 10-11
44%
50%

Oct 2-3
46%
50%

Sep 24-25
41%
56%

Sep 16-17
43%
56%

Sep 15-16
44%
53%

Sep 14-15
42%
55%

Sep 13-14
45%
52%

Sep 12-13
51%
46%

Sep 11-12
48%
48%

Sep 10-11
47%
49%

Sep 9-10
46%
51%

Sept 8-9
44%
53%

Aug 25-26
43%
53%

Aug 9-10
42%
53%

Jul 26-27
47%
49%

Jul 20-21
44%
53%

Jul 10-11
46%
49%

Jun 27-28
50%
45%


From Gallup :

New Poll Shows Most Americans Want A Healthcare Bill That The GOP Can Endorse
January 26, 2010 by Personal Liberty News Desk
According to a new Gallup poll, the majority of Americans believe that President Obama and other Democratic leaders should postpone debate on the current healthcare reform bill and consider alternative legislation that would garner more GOP support.

The poll, conducted by USA Today, found that 55 percent of those surveyed feel that Congress should suspend work on the healthcare bill that was almost assured passage before Democrats lost a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate following the election of Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown on Tuesday.

Approximately 72 percent of respondents felt that the result in Massachusetts "reflects frustrations shared by many Americans, and the president and members of Congress should pay attention to it," according to the news source.

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"I provoke to further the discussion. To broaden horizons, say"

"You've got to sharpen your views and have them make sense before I'll leave you alone"

"Then again, I could just be an asshole" HE GOT IT! For one brief moment, Wulf touched down on Earth...we should have a party...well, if we gave a damn...

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The poll, conducted by USA Today, found that 55 percent of those surveyed feel that Congress should suspend work on the healthcare bill that was almost assured passage before Democrats lost a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate following the election of Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown on Tuesday. Approximately 72 percent of respondents felt that the result in Massachusetts "reflects frustrations shared by many Americans, and the president and members of Congress should pay attention to it," according to the news source.

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All that said, we seriously need to wreck the hell out of the two party system, and so far, so good, all that sand in the gears is starting to jam them up quite nicely - we just need some real third party (as opposed to the GOP-Lite bullshit of the co-opted Barr faction of the *snicker* 'libertarians') candidates to find a pair and step up to the plate.

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BTW - I find the fillibuster to be very much like California's 'supermajority' (2/3) requirement for passing the budget. In other words, a perfectly bad idea.

While the fillibuster in theory might provide time for reflection on hasty legislation, in practice a small minority can block necessary legislation. Wielded with malice, it is a powerful tool for obstructionists who only want to make the 'other side' lose.

Either they should lose the fillibuster - or the democrats should ALSO play the game. Otherwise, it's worse than a joke.

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Jongs, couldn't I validly argue that the poll results you show only prove the corrosive influence of so much corporate money pouting into the system? After all, it was after June when "Big Pharma" and "Big Insurance" started dumping a million dollars plus PER DAY into the lobbying efforts against reform.

Guess that's the price and cost of "free speech" these days - a million bucks a day, and more.

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yes, and you can count me IN in that poll. But don't misintepret the results: If you simply ask people yay or nay, you'll miss the point that frustration is coming from BOTH ends of the political spectrum, not just the right.

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No one who actually believes in democracy - or even democratic principles within a representative republic - could argue that the filibuster has any place in such a government. Those who would argue in favor of it are self-serving antidemocratic hypocrites. Whether they are Democrats, Republicans, Independents of hermaphrodites.

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Obama's well on his way to losing any support I might give him, either in the 2010 mid-terms OR in the 2012 presidential election.

And no, I'm not likely to support any Republican at the national level (unless something REALLY revolutionary happens within that party); I'm more likely to just stay home, like I did in '96. In '92 I voted for Perot mostly as a protest vote, but in '96 there wasn't even that option, so I didn't even waste my time going to the polls. First and only time I ever did that in a presidential election. Obama's shooting for number two, and so far, he's doing a great job of losing my interest and support.

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Jongs, Dems are NOT like Republicans: they dont' vote "party" as much as Repubs do. So, yes, he will. They may not vote Republican, but they'll stay home. Or vote third party, like I did when Clinton ran the second time.

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Looks to me like RWED Liberals are more principled than your average variety Democrat. I find that admirable.

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And then the ADULTS can talk, and compromise, and get things done.

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Obama's well on his way to losing any support I might give him, either in the 2010 mid-terms OR in the 2012 presidential election.

And no, I'm not likely to support any Republican at the national level (unless something REALLY revolutionary happens within that party); I'm more likely to just stay home, like I did in '96. In '92 I voted for Perot mostly as a protest vote, but in '96 there wasn't even that option, so I didn't even waste my time going to the polls. First and only time I ever did that in a presidential election. Obama's shooting for number two, and so far, he's doing a great job of losing my interest and support.

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Wow! I guess I don't really understand the passion that Liberals have then. You would choose not to vote for a Dem you didn't like by staying home, rather than vote for him anyway as a measure to cancel out a Republican's vote. That is remarkable, and quite noble.

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