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Originally posted by Niki2:
I've heard a few of these, but the sheer number, I'll admit, did shock me. It's so blatantly stupid and immoral--I know, expecting morality from politicians is an oxymoron--but this is such brazen hypocrisy it blows my mind. Shouldn't, given the atmosphere today, but it still does.

For those of you idealogs who dismiss anything from the left; yeah, it's Maddow, but the facts are still the facts:

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

C'mon Niki, ex-Air America propagandist Maddow has zero credibilty in the real world.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

The fact is that, however left-leaning Maddow is, she digs up FACTS to support her position

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I could draw similar comparisons to the level of outrage, or types of descriptions of Iraq War Protesters versus Tea Party Protesters. Much of it has to do with your political perspective.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I could draw similar comparisons to the level of outrage, or types of descriptions of Iraq War Protesters versus Tea Party Protesters. Much of it has to do with your political perspective.

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Whoah there, protesting over peeps getting ghosted IS NOT equivalent to protesting over higher taxes or a f***ed economy.
IMHO, of course.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Niki2:

JS: Rejected, sorry. Tho' it doesn't relate to the topic at hand, and nobody's refuted the hypocrisy these Republicans have shown blatantly, I'll answer your remarks:

Nobody ever mentions that the Dems won some seats, the Republicans won some, the Tea Partiers gave the Dems an election...everything is about Brown and the governors' races. Doesn't prove anything to me. One bad candidate who sat on her ass explains Brown.

As to why they'd want to work with the Dems; for the good of the country, maybe?? Just an idea. They've drawn a line and the sand: "NO", and said openly they'll filibuster everything--even things, it has been shown, that they agree with! It's the first time in history that a 60-seat majority has been required to do ANYTHING, and that sickens me. It's not "just how it's done".

Sure, the in-fighting doomed everything; everyone knows the Dems are more independent thinkers and don't follow the party line like Repubs--they have moderates, y'know? This is a bad thing? The simple fact is that if even ONE Republican voted with their brains and/or their CONSCIENCES, some things would have gotten done.

The problem with the Dems this entire time, leaving out the Republicans' determination to vote against everything, has been the Blue Dogs. I don't go so far as to call them DINOs, but the Dems having an ACTUAL "big tent" made this a problem...as opposed to the Repubs, who demand their people follow party line "or else". I'll take the bad with the good in that respect, and yes, I can blame the "Party of No". They put politics above EVERYTHING and stated flat out they were going to defeat anything Obama favored.

The Dems have been willing to compromise in the past, so things have gotten done. Compromise has it's advantages, and is necessary for Congress to get anything done.

I understand what's really happening, and blaming the Dems for not being able to get anything done all by themselves doesn't hold water. "Takes two to tango", remember? You're right, the Republicans might not have been there this past year, given their stated intent--that makes it GOOD???

All this has been hashed out several times here. Hypocrisy about the stimulus is the question, however, and nobody's yet refuted the facts Maddow put forth...?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Perhaps for some, in their honest opinions, it is equivalent.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ah, you added to your post.

Okay, as far as hypocrisy goes, of course it's there on both sides. The thread is about the hypocrisy of voting no on the stimulus, then both lauding it and taking credit for it. It exemplifies how the opposition is voting no whether or not what they're voting on would be good for the people they represent, and is a current example of politics taken too far.

Of course it has to do with perspective; but the united determination to force a filibuster on ANYTHING now is unprecedented and abusive of any sense of responsibility, and that's simply fact.

Ooops, missed your last one. EVERYONE knows what's going on, the Republicans have said it loud and clear numerous times. What they're doing MAKES it a total game; completely refusing to compromise or vote for what they know is good for their constituents is reprehensible, that's what I'm saying. It IS uprecedented, there IS no excuse for it, and they were doing it from minute one. I'll bet you dimes to donuts when the situation is reversed (even without the Repubs having a supermajority), Dems will compromise on things. It's the whole concept of our government, and the Repubs are stomping it into the ground.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I don't really watch Fox News or MSNBC. I get most of my news from the internet. Funny enough actually, from here.

Anyway, the stimulus is working? The economy is recovering? Last I'd heard it was still doom and gloom. Although I remember something about a bikini graph of job loss, but I was dismayed there was still no job growth.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, that's at least some good news. If the economy does turn around, we only have to worry about the national debt.

I liked in the state of the union how Obama talked about a freeze on government spending. I'm not sure how likely that is to happen, but I hope it does. I also hope they gut the budget to the bare essentials, like education, and I guess medicare and social security because you have to have those, even though they're costing us an arm and a leg right now.

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Anyway, the stimulus is working? The economy is recovering? Last I'd heard it was still doom and gloom. Although I remember something about a bikini graph of job loss, but I was dismayed there was still no job growth.

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The Unemployment Outlook:
Unemployment is projected to drop slightly to 9.7% by the end of 2010, according to OMB's Mid-Year Budget Projections. By the end of 2011, it will fall significantly, to 8%. After that, it will decline slowly, falling to 7.5% in 2012, 6.5% in 2013, and 5.7% in 2014.

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GOVERNMENT DEBT per se does NOT decrease the value of the dollar OR lead to inflation.

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Or if it's invested in the wrong thing, like wars, as you so aptly pointed out.

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