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May need to go heavy on encouraging farmers to put in windbreaks to prevent soil erosion ( here in Canada the gov has a program that gives away saplings and bushes to accomplish this, put in 200 last year at my Dads place )

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

I'm all for imposed non-importance. And I can do that now - as of today I have home internet woo-hoo!

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So, to continue in earnest, how do you think food production might suffer in this era of climate change?
Personally, I fear that crop failure (particularly in the third world) poses a definite threat.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0601/06010302/
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0601/06010302/


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I don't think Mother Earth will die or anything. Mother Earth can handle change. Us? Not so much.

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May need to go heavy on encouraging farmers to put in windbreaks to prevent soil erosion ( here in Canada the gov has a program that gives away saplings and bushes to accomplish this, put in 200 last year at my Dads place )

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200?!? Wow.

Canada is cooler than I thought (no pun intended).


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Look at what happened to at agriculture in Haiti as an example, they were the best place in the hemisphere to grow things at one time... then foreign companys mostly came in and timbered the windbreaks out, the topsoil blew away and the land became gullyied...

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Look at what happened to at agriculture in Haiti as an example, they were the best place in the hemisphere to grow things at one time... then foreign companys mostly came in and timbered the windbreaks out, the topsoil blew away and the land became gullyied...

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[Snarky-pro-West voice]
Oh, sure, blame US for deforestation to keep McDonald's & Burger King open.
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The last is mostly what Canada is trying to do to prevent soil erosion, I have no idea if the US has similar programs, or not...

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mal4prez wrote:

Hmm. I could go on about time scales, but I want to watch some Olympics. I got the damned cable TV just so I could catch the Games after all!

Canadas Womens hockey team is great to watch this time out,

They move the puck better than the pros

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The last is mostly what Canada is trying to do to prevent soil erosion, I have no idea if the US has similar programs, or not...

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Are you effin' kiddin' me Gino? We do not plan; we react.
Sadly.



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Hotter or colder depends mostly on how oceanic thermohaline circulation is driven...

But if the oceans aren't circulating, it messes up the wind patterns over the ocean, and land ocean air mass exchange, and you could actually end up with some very cold continents. But, it's a theory. Climate change is hard to predict, so I don't put a lot of stake in the predictions, and it's also pretty sensationalized IMO.

...I think SOMETHING is happening, it's hard to tell what considering since 1998 (and here, 1995) even the "hockey-stick graph" has shown global temperatures plateauing in the southern hemisphere, which causes a plateau on the graph averaged between northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere, even though the northern hemisphere is still getting hotter...

But something is happening, again not sure what. Whatever it is, it'll probably be another 100 years or so before we see any effect beyond strengthened storms and worsened droughts that we've measured.

Reduce pollution in general is a good idea on it's own merits. Also possibly reducing rate of deforestation, looking into sustainability, biodiversity, waste management, and etc. Definitely I think it would be smart for each individual to take control of their own energy production, relying on the Department of Energy and the government regulated power grid has never made much sense to me. There's just some common sensical things to be doing, whether or not global warming or climate change is happening.

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I would like, respectfully, to join the "Ignore Crappy" club--I just responded to him before I read this, but from this point FORWARD, will attempt to do so.

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Because YOU falsely assume that if the temperature nudged upward, there'd be MORE food production.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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It's not an assumption. Higher C02 levels do indeed lead to higher crop productions.

And yes, I know you said higher TEMPERATURES, but CO2 increase has been the boogey man for the Global Warming argument, as the CAUSE of higher temps.




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I would like, respectfully, to join the "Ignore Crappy" club--I just responded to him before I read this, but from this point FORWARD, will attempt to do so.

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the guy is so dishonest, yet manages to get every thread tied up in his BS so that nothing useful gets discussed. I'm guessing that's really why he's here, not for any exchange of ideas, but to make himself feel important.

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That's what I've believed for quite some time, and said so; once he joins a thread, he does his best to offend, provoke and stir things up, and all too often it works to the point where the thread devolves into nothing but that.

As to crops and climate change; where's Frem? He's spoken most eloquently on it, I believe, unless it was Byte or Sig, who also have addressed it well. I don't know enough to address it myself, I just know that the food situation is so precariously balanced (if THAT in some places) currently, that any major change would be dramatic.

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Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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What we do know is that we have more greenhouses gases in the atmosphere than we ever have, and these molecules trap heat, and heat is energy that can do work - as in the physics definition of work. It can evaporate water, move air masses, drop the water, melt ice, affect ocean currents...

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Didj'all hear something? Sounded kinda weak and staticky.

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Didj'all hear something? Sounded kinda weak and staticky.

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It's similar to that fly-like buzzing noise in the Wink Of An Eye ep of Star Trek...


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I would like, respectfully, to join the "Ignore Crappy" club--I just responded to him before I read this, but from this point FORWARD, will attempt to do so.

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I would like, respectfully, to join the "Ignore Crappy" club--I just responded to him before I read this, but from this point FORWARD, will attempt to do so.

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Well here I am just hearing about the club myself.

It's tempting to join, but on the other hand, I do so enjoy mocking ol' Rap.

But what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

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I laid out a scenario with Niki, by which we could just collectively start our own "ignore" feature, and simply refuse to even acknowledge him. Not "refuse to engage" or "refuse to argue" or "refuse to be drawn into his name-calling", but REFUSE TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE'S HERE OR THAT HE POSTED ANYTHING. We just carry on with the conversation like he never even said a word.

Just a thought. But I think we'd have to get a whole bunch of people signed on for it to work.

Otherwise, just keep snarking the living shit out of every single thing he posts in RWED. Or in any of the other areas, for that matter.

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Amusing that the denyers will ignore a wealth of scientific evidence, but one dude saying one thing (which was taken out of context) and it's PROOF! He's a scientist - no arguing, he said so, subject closed.

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I laid out a scenario with Niki, by which we could just collectively start our own "ignore" feature, and simply refuse to even acknowledge him. Not "refuse to engage" or "refuse to argue" or "refuse to be drawn into his name-calling", but REFUSE TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE'S HERE OR THAT HE POSTED ANYTHING. We just carry on with the conversation like he never even said a word.

Just a thought. But I think we'd have to get a whole bunch of people signed on for it to work.

Otherwise, just keep snarking the living shit out of every single thing he posts in RWED. Or in any of the other areas, for that matter.

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If it sounds like something you'd like to try, then welcome aboard, jump on in, the water's fine, and all that good stuff. :)

Basically, when Rappy tries to jump in with his BS, the conversation just kinda goes, "Hey, did you hear something? A little whine or buzz? Oh, well...

S'wenyways, what were we talking about? Oh yeah..."

... and then back to your regularly-scheduled debate.

It's an idea. It's not any kind of "ban" on anyone, unless it's a "self-banning" - banning ourselves from engaging with him.



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Fox News' Fuzzy Math Claims 120% Of Americans Have An Opinion On 'Climategate'

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"Fox News' graphics department added together the 'very likely' and 'somewhat likely' numbers to reach 59 percent, and called that new group 'somewhat likely.' Then, for some reason, they threw in the 35 percent 'very likely' as their own group, even though they already added that number to the 'somewhat likely' percentage. Then they mashed together the 'not very likely' and 'not likely at all' groups, and threw the 15 percent who were unsure into the waste bin. Voila -- 120 percent."

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Glad to be along.

Though FYI, if you want to shorten my name, go with Story.

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I sense impotent deluded anger.... but hear nothing....

How odd.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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