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Should Animal Abusers, like Sex Offenders, Be Registered?
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:05 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:San Francisco recently joined a growing number of cities that think of their animal-owning population also as pet guardians. The first city to change its ordinance was Boulder, Colo., followed by Berkeley and West Hollywood in California; Sherwood, Ariz.; Amherst, Mass.; Menomonee Falls, Wis.; and the state of Rhode Island. "Animals need to be regarded as more than the material property of an owner," Dr. Elliot Katz, president of In Defense of Animals, said in January 2003 after the San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 in favor of the measure. But city councils and state legislatures aren't rushing to adopt the new language. It took more than three years for San Francisco to make the change." "There is an underlying goal here, and that is to attain standing at court," Dr. Flemming explained, while noting that animal rights groups have so far been unsuccessful in their attempts to sue for the interest of an animal. "You have to do that outside the property laws," Dr. Flemming continued. "So if you can get the language changed from 'owner' to 'guardian,' then you've got a greater chance at getting one of these cases before a court and (arguing) that it's the interests of the animal that need to be protected, not the interest of the owner."
Quote:Cruelty to animals, it is said, is often a precursor to graver crimes. So would there not be some usefulness to a registry of individuals convicted of felony animal abuse? Legislators in California want the Golden State to be the first to establish such a record — just as California was the first in the nation to create a registry of sex offenders The goal of the registry, which would list crimes against both pets and farm animals, is to make it easier for shelters and animal-adoption groups to identify people who shouldn't be allowed access to animals. It would also be a boon to law enforcement because animal abuse, the bill's authors' say, often escalates to violence against people. Abuses covered in the bill would include the malicious and intentional maiming, mutilation, torture, wounding or killing of a living animal. It would also target pet hoarders and operators of animal-fighting rings (such as dog-baiting and cockfighting) who have felony convictions.
Quote:"We think California is primed for this kind of a bill," says state senate majority leader Dean Florez, who introduced the bill in late February. "We've progressed to the point where we as a legislature are moving in a direction of this bill, which is ultimately, How do we in essence prevent repeat offenses when it comes to cruelty to animals in the state of California?" It is an issue that, Florez says, Californians care for deeply. About 60% of California residents own pets, he says; add in farm animals, and 80% of the population has some kind of ownership of animals. The bill's biggest stumbling block may be the funding it would require. Created with the assistance of the Animal Legal Defense Fund, the bill would raise the approximately $500,000 to $1 million necessary for its launch through a 2- or 3-cent tax per pound of pet food, says Florez, a Democrat who is chairman of the Food and Agriculture Committee. He estimated that after it's launch, the project could cost between $300,000 to $400,000 a year to maintain. Yet even that relatively small amount has some organizations, including a national pet-product trade group and even the Humane Society, raising concerns. Jennifer Fearing, California senior state director and chief economist for the U.S. Humane Society, supports the measure's aims but worries about whether it can get passed. Says Fearing: "I would be shocked if this legislature is prepared to enact any tax this year, much less one levied on pet owners who are struggling to care for their animals, when many of them are dropping them off at shelters."
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:19 AM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:22 AM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:30 AM
CHRISISALL
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:31 AM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:33 AM
MINCINGBEAST
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:35 AM
GINOBIFFARONI
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Abusers should be given the choice to be gelded or put to sleep. The laughing Chrisisall "I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:38 AM
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Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: A bit grumpy today, is we?
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: "Humans are evil" is just yet another justification allowing people to mistreat other people. Humans are NOT evil and I'm tired of hearing people argue that.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:46 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 9:50 AM
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Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: There may well be, however, people who are born with some kind of genetic brain synaptic problem rather than just abuse or something else
Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:10 AM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: should have figured something about animals/pets would getcha!
Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:25 AM
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Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:42 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Thursday, March 4, 2010 10:48 AM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 11:58 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, March 4, 2010 2:42 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Probably. Though I think Frem would jump in here to say that that's only a quick fix and maybe would we should do is fix whatever it is that makes people abuse other living things (and people) in the first place. I'm on kind of a Frem kick today.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 3:20 PM
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Thursday, March 4, 2010 3:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Did someone imply that Mal likes to torture animals ? I never knew that.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 3:38 PM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 3:40 PM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 3:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: And I said I'm not talking about psychology or bad people. Hell, I don't even believe there's any such thing as bad people. Are you honestly trying to pull me into an argument when we AGREE?
Thursday, March 4, 2010 3:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Did someone imply that Mal likes to torture animals ? I never knew that. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 4:01 PM
Thursday, March 4, 2010 4:03 PM
Quote:It's easy to say 'fix the bad people', as Mal knew all too well. But what happens when its then decided that YOU need 'fixing' ? I'm just sayin'. Just showin' ya ( and others ) that certain things can be taken differently than intended
Thursday, March 4, 2010 4:35 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 6:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: And I said I'm not talking about psychology or bad people. Hell, I don't even believe there's any such thing as bad people. Are you honestly trying to pull me into an argument when we AGREE? Just showin' ya ( and others ) that certain things can be taken differently than intended.
Quote: When my President does that..... it really pisses me off. Another reason to loathe this glorified communitiy organizer. That, and of course, because he's black.
Thursday, March 4, 2010 7:56 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Friday, March 5, 2010 2:30 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, March 5, 2010 7:03 AM
OPPYH
Friday, March 5, 2010 7:29 AM
Quote:There are several problems with our current and proposed laws especially when it comes to children. IF a registry is started, children will most likely be exempt. On top of that, it will be their parents who will be getting pets, not the children themselves. In which case the registry is moot. OTOH IF animal cruelty is made a felony and no registry is maintained, minors will often have their records expunged after reaching their majority.
Friday, March 5, 2010 7:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Where do you live? If ANYONE EVER tried that around here, THEY'd be beaten up or shot!
Friday, March 5, 2010 7:46 AM
Friday, March 5, 2010 7:47 AM
Friday, March 5, 2010 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by OPPYH: Grand Rapids Michigan.
Friday, March 5, 2010 9:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Hey Frem, no worries. Been wondering where you've been at. You've definitely made a difference in how people think here and given us some answers for why people do bad things, and what to do about it that respects human dignity and individuality. If you feel up to it at some point, posting about your bad week would probably be a good way to vent.
Friday, March 5, 2010 9:18 AM
Quote:But I think the parents SHOULD be the ones held to account when there is a child involved; maybe if parents suffered a punishment for letting their kids do things like that, they'd pay more attention. And I think it's pretty fair to guess that parents who had suffered because of their children's animal abuse would be pretty quick to make sure their kids didn't have pets anymore...self-interest, y'know?
Friday, March 5, 2010 9:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: You poor bastard, but hey, at least you get the boomstick!
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