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To drone or not? Hearing questions drone attacks' legality

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Meanwhile, back in Afghanistan/Pakistan, drone attacks continue. Think it's right or wrong?
Quote:

Congress delved Wednesday into the politically explosive issue of unmanned drone attacks, questioning the legality of operations increasingly used to combat al Qaeda and Taliban militants in countries such as Pakistan.

In the eight years of George W. Bush's presidency, unmanned aircraft - or drones - attacked militant targets 45 times.

Since President Barack Obama took office, the numbers have risen sharply: 51 last year and 29 so far this year.
Most attacks have targeted suspected militant hideouts in Pakistan. While the United States is the only country in the region known to have the ability to launch missiles from drones - which are controlled remotely - U.S. officials normally do not comment on suspected drone strikes.

Based on a CNN count, all of the 29 drone strikes this year have hit locations in North Waziristan and South Waziristan, along the 1,500-mile porous border that Pakistan shares with Afghanistan.

Several top U.S. law professors debated the legality of the attacks in a hearing before the House Subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs, the second such hearing held by the subcommittee within the past two months.

"The United States is committed to following international legal standards," said Rep. John Tierney, D-Massachusetts, the subcommittee's chairman. "Our interpretation of how these standards apply to the use of unmanned weapons systems will set an example for other nations to follow."

The four legal scholars invited to testify, however, offered sharply contrasting views of what constitutes an acceptable legal standard. The biggest controversy appeared to surround the legality of strikes conducted by CIA operatives, as opposed to the U.S. military.

"Only a combatant - a lawful combatant - may carry out the use of killing with combat drones," said Mary Ellen O'Connell, a professor from the University of Notre Dame law school.

"The CIA and civilian contractors have no right to do so. They do not wear uniforms, and they are not in the chain of command. And most importantly they are not trained in the law of armed conflict."

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"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Pfffth, laws are only as good as those who write em, those who enforce em, and given the nature of the people such power attracts, generally in both cases vile - that being one reason imma Anarchist.

That said, regardless of whatever legal contortions they use to dance around this, even by the pathetic laws regarding this stuff it's absolutely illegal, violates several treaties which under the US Constitution are equal in authority to itself, the highest law of the land - as well as being immoral, inhumane, and an act of war against Pakistan by any definition of the word.

If I chased a thug into your house and shot your place up, killing a couple of your family, would that not be an act of war against you regardless of expressed intentions ?

I dread the day these assholes find out the hard way that technology is a double-edged sword, and find one of their drones making a U-turn under the control of some enterprising foe who has a better idea of who it's target should be - which probably already HAS happened, but damned if they'd admit to it.

-F

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Worked on Hoth.....






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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:20 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Shit man, Detroit practically *IS* Hoth, six months of the year!


-F

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 3:13 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Worked on Hoth.....




Did it?


How'd that work out for the Empire in the end?

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Monday, May 3, 2010 9:30 AM

DREAMTROVE


Niki

Interesting. Drones aren't lawful combatants. I suppose the salient point is that they have no judgment, so they will kill hundreds of civilians for no real reason at all, other than that they had the wrong address.

But Frem is right, with nothing to enforce it, it doesn't really mean a damn thing. The US was found in violation of an international landmine treaty because of the use of landmines for cluster munitions, and DC just flipped the world the bird.

OTOH, we actually don't want some power capable of enforcing international law, as that would be on a way towards one world govt, a state in which perpetual war i, IMHO, inevitable.

I guess the best defense is to make the whole operation unprofitable.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 9:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Profit is where it's at, you're right DT. Profit in terms of MONEY, of course, not "profitable" in actually solving anything!

You're both right about nobody enforces this shit. It's disgusting...


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