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Schwarzenegger says governorship cost him $200 mln

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Monday, January 17, 2011 11:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Awww, my heart really goes out to the poor guy...
Quote:

Serving as California governor cost Arnold Schwarzenegger at least $200 million, the bodybuilding star turned actor and politician told a newspaper in his native Austria, insisting 'it was more than worth it."

Counting expenses and lost income from acting in Hollywood films, "in all it is probably more than $200 million," he told Krone when asked how much his two terms in Sacramento had cost.

"But I'm not sorry. It was more than worth it," he said.

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-54171920110114

Gee, if only he'd used some of that to keep from raping our educational system...and so much more!

(I love that: "lost income from acting in Hollywood films". Shees...the things I could say...)


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Monday, January 17, 2011 11:29 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


LOL



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Monday, January 17, 2011 11:38 AM

NIKI2

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Gawd, you just HAD to come out with another stupid video, din'tcha? Jeeee...zus...

Here I'm trying to find some REAL "Real World Events" to spike discussion...sigh. Okay, I've done my bit for gawd, country and the forum board, you guys are on your own.


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Monday, January 17, 2011 12:06 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Oh, good Lord Nix.

I was agreeing with you.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

Hmmmm... but I guess you want to contribute to the...vitirol..?



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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:03 PM

NIKI2

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I'm just sick of your silly videos, Wulf, that's all. I guess I'd really like to TALK to you, as a member of this forum, and it seems like all you have to offer are exhorbidant statements, videos, music videos and parroting of politispeak. I guess stupidly I never give up hoping, and every time I run into another video that has nothing to do with the real world, I'm reminded how silly I am to hope. That's all.

It's just nice when you have something to SAY on something, not just post videos.


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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:11 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


SAY something? Really?

Ok.

The citizens of California voted in an action-movie star to be their governator (which I'm sure you will say, you didn vote for him of course..)

Now, don't get me wrong, I think Arnold is a great guy. Bootsrapy as you can get. But old school republi/demo too.

So he says that he could have made more as a movie person. This is true. You complain that he "raped" the school system... you should explain yourself on that one.

Hell, I was HOPING that Arnie would be more like Christie in Jersey, and say fuk you to the unions... but maybe that was too much?

Now, Im just a humble Virginian... so explain to this bumbkin, what EXACTLY arnold did that made him such a bad governator?

AND, yes, Nix, I DID post a video of Arnie. Big whoop. Its from Pumping Iron. So what? Its funny.


AND by funny I mean that a guy who can say " ...you go through this pain period and that what seperates a champion from someone who isn't" is in charge of CALIFRONIA of all places. The weakest, saddest, most pathetic state in the Union..
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:23 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


And lets be honest.

Arnold has more commitment, dedication and will (to getting built) than either of us do Nix.

Cus, even with steroids, it still takes effort.



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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:27 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg




"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:37 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


PS.

No matter what you or I say.

You can't argue with a winner.

And Arnie is that.

Fuk all to us, he came from some shit town in Germany to being Arnold Schwarzenegger.

(And yes, it took me a while to learn to spell his ridunkulous name.)

So, no matter what you or I say, this person HAS won.

Some nothing from Germany, has not only become famous for body-building... BUT movies... and THEN became governor.

You CANNOT argue with results.

Shit... everytime I think about it... i wonder what the hell I've been doing with my life.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:


...vitirol..?






Keep trying. The law of statistics says that at some point you'll spell it correctly just by pure chance and coincidence!

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Monday, January 17, 2011 2:49 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Oh no....

I misspelled the new catch-all word of the libs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your Pcorrection of my wording.

Loser.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 17, 2011 3:13 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I was always impressed with Arnold's ability to shift gears in response to his constituency.

He did not go into office as a Greenie, but he came out looking like one.

That everything got gutted in California is more a consequence of the economy shifting than his personal preferences, I think. California was overvalued. The bubble burst, and revenues evaporated.

Everything ended up on the cutting room floor.

--Anthony



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Monday, January 17, 2011 3:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And for all the talk of how "broke" California is (due to their over-generous "welfare nanny state", no doubt), Texas is now MORE broke, despite an ultra-conservative legislature running the joint for more than a decade. We're now said to be over $29,000,000,000 in the hole.

Odd that all those who'd hold up The Soviet Socialist Republic of Kalifornia as the example of where all that leftism will get you will absolutely NOT hold up Texas as the example of where all that conservatism will get you.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 3:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Oh no....

I misspelled the new catch-all word of the libs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your Pcorrection of my wording.

Loser.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.





Wulfie, what's funny to me is that you KEEP misspelling it, in varied and different ways. And that while you claim it's the "catch-all word of the libs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (complete with eleventy-billion exclamation points!), you're the one who keeps using it. If you're that into that word, seems you should at least learn how to spell it.

But you won't, because goddamned if any "lib" will ever teach you ANYTHING. You can't be taught.

By all means, continue misspelling the word "vitriol". And "fuk" (seems you used to know that one; were you hit on the head recently?). It just makes it that much more plain how ignorant you truly are, and lessens the likelihood that ANYONE, ANYWHERE would ever listen to you seriously.

So be my guest. Remain ignorant. Stay stupid. Another thing Arnold did was learn English. He did it as his SECOND language; you've yet to learn it as your first.

What HAVE you been doing with your life?

Loser.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 7:31 PM

PHOENIXROSE

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
you should explain yourself on that one.


...CALIFRONIA of all places. The weakest, saddest, most pathetic state in the Union..


So, hold on, let me see if I understand.
Niki, being a resident of California, should explain herself when she says there's something wrong with a system in the state.
Wulf, a not resident of California, should not explain himself when he throws blanket insults over the state as a whole.

Do I have that about right?


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 8:02 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I hope he files for bankruptcy, just like Cali.

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Monday, January 17, 2011 8:27 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
you should explain yourself on that one.


...CALIFRONIA of all places. The weakest, saddest, most pathetic state in the Union..


So, hold on, let me see if I understand.
Niki, being a resident of California, should explain herself when she says there's something wrong with a system in the state.
Wulf, a not resident of California, should not explain himself when he throws blanket insults over the state as a whole.

Do I have that about right?


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being.




Hello,

I'm not aware of anyone making that argument.

--Anthony



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Monday, January 17, 2011 9:45 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'm not aware of anyone making that argument.


No? Well, you may be right, perhaps no one is making the argument. More of an attitude than an outright argument.


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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:11 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:


...vitirol..?






Keep trying. The law of statistics says that at some point you'll spell it correctly just by pure chance and coincidence!

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LOL...the stellar speller strikes again....fucking fag...rofl.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:16 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Awww, my heart really goes out to the poor guy...
Quote:

Serving as California governor cost Arnold Schwarzenegger at least $200 million, the bodybuilding star turned actor and politician told a newspaper in his native Austria, insisting 'it was more than worth it."

Counting expenses and lost income from acting in Hollywood films, "in all it is probably more than $200 million," he told Krone when asked how much his two terms in Sacramento had cost.

"But I'm not sorry. It was more than worth it," he said.

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-54171920110114

Gee, if only he'd used some of that to keep from raping our educational system...and so much more!

(I love that: "lost income from acting in Hollywood films". Shees...the things I could say...)


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You idiots out there can't pay for what you already have...thank gawd he raped your education system...ummm, can you imagine? What lala land does your brain live in? shit has to be paid for...but seeing you pay no taxes...you don't care. Fucking loser.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:02 AM

DREAMTROVE


Lol

I guess it was a box office bomb

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 7:07 AM

DREAMTROVE


Oh come on, put down the partisan talking sticks.

Niki, that was uncalled for. Wulf made an appreciative comment, and it was humorous, and also on your side. And he did it the way he always does. And you attacked him. I gotta think that this was because he was wulf, and not because of the content.

If you make it impossible for the opposition to ever support you you will never have outside support, no?

I'm not taking sides, I'm just pointing out the self defeating quality of just blatantly attacking people because they carry a red or blue banner.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 8:51 AM

NIKI2

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HUZZAH! Now THAT’s what I call communicating, Wulf (referring to your response to my last post). Came here first, haven’t read beyond that post, so what I respond may be duplicative of others. I see it got SOME sort of discussion going; in my opinion, that’s the important part. And you actually asked some good, valid questions and made good points. Wulf!

Okay, to respond. To start with, the following speaks for most Californians:
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HE stormed on to the stage as an action hero determined to save debt-ridden California from destruction in 2003.
But staunch Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger was replaced as Governor yesterday by a Democrat, after the most expensive non-presidential race in US history.
Democrat Jerry Brown, who ran the state in the 1970s and 1980s, is back in the California Governor's office after surviving more than $160 million in campaign spending against him.

That’s a start. No, of course I didn’t vote for him; I couldn’t believe we were going to do it AGAIN (vote an actor into the governorship)! About the only good thing I can say for him is he didn’t tow the party line, he was somewhat independent at times. But his independence didn’t do us any good. Jerry Brown—yes, MoonWhatever---is back in office; we know we’ve got tough times ahead, but he got/kept us in the black last time, and knows what he’s doing.

Re: “The Govenator’s failings:

He looked out for his own interests rather than brokering compromises beneficial to California. As a result of his ineffective leadership, the California budget crisis deteriorated into a three-way battle, where neither Democratic nor Republican lawmakers respect Schwarzenegger.

He had all kinds of weird ideas to raise money: He poposed a plan to tax veterinary services, which would have raised our vet bills by 9%. He mismanaged our economy so badly that in 2009 he held a "garage sale" at the end of August, which sold off state cars and office supplies. Some of his measures ended up requiring early release of prisoners, among other things.

He held an incredibly expensive pet special-election ballot initiative package which was decisively repudiated at the polls which nobody wanted and which we fought not to have.

He was firmly in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce and any number of other private enterprises, and his actions reflected same.

He was given to spending money on fancy affairs, sponsored by those interests:
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In the most recent in a series of endless reports about Corporate gifts being given to our Governor and his associates – ostensibly in the “public interest”, the LA Times has reported that General Electric will be sponsoring a glitzy Governors Conference this August at Universal Studios in Hollywood. The event could cost more than $3 million between GE and other private sponsors.

“It’s a governmental conference, with governmental officials,” said Robert Stern, president of the Center for Governmental Studies in Los Angeles. “If GE is paying for it, the question is what does GE expect for their contribution? And they are certainly going to expect good will.” Schwarzenegger’s office has accepted millions of dollars in private gifts for things such as state dinners, international travel and ornaments on state Christmas trees..

http://www.caltrade.com/news/category/california/governor-schwarzenegg
er
/

Yeah, they weren’t paid for by the taxpayers (he couldn’t have gotten away with that, given our situation), but they definitely compromised the administration’s independence from corporate interests.
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He vetoed two bills that could have helped employees who earn their money through hourly work, by making it a misdemeanor crime for employers that fail to pay all wages within 90 days after a worker leaves, and by increasing the maximum amount of damages that a worker could be awarded in a wage-related legal dispute or state enforcement action., making it even tougher now to be an hourly paid employee, and making him live up to his movie-star image of being a "Terminator."

Though both bills seem to reinforce the common-sense concept of getting paid for services rendered, Schwarzenegger said in his veto messages that the bills were not needed, because similar laws are already on the books.

The last thing we want to do is open the door to the possibility of employers not paying employees or not paying them minimum wages as required; but Schwarzenegger's veto sends the message that these concerns are not ones he thinks California needs to address.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2010/10/04/governor-schwarzenegger-vetoes
-bill-protecting-hourly-workers
/

He rolled back the vehicle license tax restoration, which cost the state about $5 billion.

He used line-item vetoes to make cuts in parks, child welfare services, the healthy families program, office of AIDS prevention, the Williamson Act, eliminated rural health care, health care forthe elderly and AIDS treatment and prevention, among other things. His nearly $500 million in cuts took nearly $80 million that pays for workers who help abused and neglected children; $50 million from Healthy Families, which provides healthcare to children in low-income families; $50 million from services for developmentally delayed children under age 3; $16 million from domestic-violence programs; and $6.3 million from services for the elderly. Among other reductions was $6.2 million more from parks, which resulted in the closure of 100 of California's 279 state parks, rather than 50 proposed by legislators. A lot of what he did fundamentally altered life for many Californians, with reductions to K-12 education and state colleges and universities.

It appropriated billions of dollars from local governments, which has forced cities and counties to further reduce their own spending on roads, law enforcement and other services. Some of our cities are now in such bad shape that they’re literally going bankrupt; fire and police stations have closed, and much more.

Mind you, he did a lot of good things, especially environmentally, but all in all he was a spender, a poser (which he had long practice in being) and harmed our state. There are probably as many “good” things he did in the eyes of some, but in my opinion, he was a disaster. I’ll fully grant you that he “has more commitment, dedication and will (to getting built) than either of us do Nix.” That didn’t make him a good governor of a state which desperately needed one.

Okay, to respond to the rest: Yes, he was adept (in some ways) at “shifting gears” and did end up, as I said, doing a lot for our environment. And as the saying goes, “As goes California, so goes the country” in that we were one of the first to experience the financial crisis everyone else is now. But he didn’t help. He came into a bad situation and just made it worse.

And yes, Anthony, “California was overvalued. The bubble burst, and revenues evaporated”. We’re a very self-centered state, I freely grant; but the most of that self-centeredness comes from the rich Southern California Republicans and the celebrities who are looking out for themselves first. But we also had the Dot-Com Crash, which affected us far more than other places, and the crash of the legal profession, which many not even be aware of but which hit us hard. Our legislature is totally screwy, and hasn’t come up with a budget on time I think in my lifetime. There are myriad reason we’re screwed, but Arnold was responsible for enough of them, and did nothing to help some of the others, that he gets his share of the blame.

Yes, Rose, Wulf and those in other states know little except what they hear about California’s economy. On the other hand, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, and Wulf did ASK me to explain, rather than making (many) of his usual generalized cracks. Our state’s been in bad shape for ages, admittedly. Prop 8 was among the beginnings; it was a total disaster and many of us looked at it and went “Omigawd!”...but people vote selfishly, without thought to future consequences.

You want to know how bad it is? Get this: Our homeowner taxes DO NOT INCREASE until we sell our homes. Then they go up to current levels. Thus the state loses all that revenue, and people are scared to sell their homes because they’ll have to pay tons more in taxes if they buy any other in the state. So people held onto their homes, just a we have, for far longer, thereby hurting the housing market.

However, when the rest of the country saw how we were going and why, none of them (that I’m aware of) saw the warnings and did much better than we did to forestall the economic disaster we’re now in.
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What lala land does your brain live in?
Luckily, I DON’T live in LaLa Land...which is what we call Southern California. Throughout my lifetime we Northern Californians (with the exception sometimes of the Central Valley, which is a conservative stronghold of agribusiness) have tried to overcome So. Ca’s stupid voting tendencies; sometimes (like with Brown) we succeed; about as much as we fail. If we were two states (as we should be), Northern California would be in FAR better shape economically than Southern California. They are truly the LaLa Land of our state.

I agree, DT, it wasn’t that it was Wulf, it was that his response was the usual video-without-anything-substantive one. I’m definitely prejudiced on that issue, and reacted thus. I apologize, Wulf, especially given you then responded with real communication, which I appreciate a lot. If you could do that more often, communication might become more possible with you and I’d snark at you less.

On the other hand, DT, where did you get the idea I want “outside support”? I come here to read other people’s views and express my own; I have no expectations of changing anyone else’s mind or having mine changed, only of learning, discussing or debating, sharing and hearing other perspectives. To look for outside support is not something it ever occurred to me to do. I hope that those who take my points find them valid, don’t mind if they say they don’t, and pull my weight like most others. The idea of “outside support” HERE is inconceivable to me.

I'm glad this turned into some sort of a discussion with differing viewpoints; THAT's why I come here and why I try to offer subjects people might find of interest.

Mike, thanx for the info on Texas; I find that amusing as hell. If ANY other state had to be in the mess we’re in, I can’t help getting some satisfaction out of it being Texas!

And once again, I thank you Wulf for contributing with valid comments, rather than nothing but snarks and videos.


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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


damned computer froze. Sorry for the dbl post.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:20 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
PS.

No matter what you or I say.

You can't argue with a winner.



Someone should quote this every time you whine about Obama.



"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:03 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Or when you and your kind whine about Bush.



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.


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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Gee, if only he'd used some of that to keep from raping our educational system...and so much more!

(I love that: "lost income from acting in Hollywood films". Shees...the things I could say...)




The Gov personally " raped " your already bloated educational system... HOW, exactly ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:29 PM

KANEMAN


HUZZAH! Now THAT’s what I call communicating, Wulf (referring to your response to my last post). Came here first, haven’t read beyond that post, so what I respond may be duplicative of others. I see it got SOME sort of discussion going; in my opinion, that’s the important part. And you actually asked some good, valid questions and made good points. Wulf!




Wow, that is the greatest patronizing I have ever seen.....you are a complete ass, hole and all.......


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Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


How has the Govenator raped our educational system? By systematically cutting its budget to the point where it is now a total mess. We once had one of the premier educational systems in not just the country, but the world. That is now completely reversed:
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In 1960, a committee of educators working under the leadership of the visionary University of California President Clark Kerr handed Pat Brown, an equally farsighted governor, something he'd long hoped for: a master plan for higher education in California.

Brown and Kerr shared a desire to create a system that would simultaneously encourage academic excellence and equality of opportunity for students of every class and background. They succeeded beyond even their expansive dreams and, in the process, created not simply a network of world-class academic institutions but also a great engine of social progress and prosperity for the California economy.

The plan guaranteed the top 12.5% of the state's high school graduates places in the UC system; the top one-third of graduates were assured places in the state colleges; and free community colleges were open to all. A graduate of the latter's two-year programs was guaranteed admission as a transfer student to a university or state college. Fees and books at those institutions amounted to a few hundred dollars a year. It served as a blueprint for public systems across the country

Within short order, slightly more than half of all California high school graduates were attending college -- in an era when less than a third of all Americans went on to higher education. The public universities' burgeoning web of affordable professional schools amplified the system's effect. Its contribution to the decades of unparalleled prosperity that followed can't be calculated.

Of all the damage that has been done in recent years by Sacramento's habitual flight from fiscal responsibility -- particularly during the disastrous Schwarzenegger years -- none has been more injurious or perverse than the budgetary mistreatment of the state's universities and community colleges. Starved for adequate funds, what was once California's greatest guarantor of social mobility based on merit has become, in fact, a force for the growing inequality that threatens this state's future.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/05/opinion/la-oe-rutten5-2009dec0
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Due to chronic underfunding and inadequate governance, California’s once-premier education system now trails behind most of the nation. For more than 25 years, California has spent less per student than the national average. As a result, California’s children rank lowest on several key national measures of academic achievement. To make matters worse, California made painful and far-reaching budget cuts to its K-12 system in 2009, placing even more pressure on already underfunded schools, threatening the quality of children’s educational opportunities and undermining California’s chances for long-term economic growth.
http://www.childrennow.org/index.php/learn/education/

It’s getting progressively worse, thanx to The Govenator’s insistence on cutting social services again and again, more than anything else, and his refusal to raise taxes. Just the past two years:
2008:
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The proposed $4.8 billion cut from secondary education and $1.3 billion from higher education are the result of the governor’s proposed 10 percent across-the-board cuts in state social programs.

Many analysts have projected a sharp decline in property tax revenue, which would only intensify the current budget crisis and perhaps lead to even greater spending cuts. Schwarzenegger has adamantly refused to raise taxes of any kind, particularly on the state’s wealthiest residents, whom he cynically claims simply don’t have the ability to make any additional contributions to the state’s coffers.

Schwarzenegger’s proposals have already led to layoff notices for more than 20,000 teachers and school employees in the K-12 (kindergarten through high school) system alone. Should his current budget request be passed, another 87,000 K-12 teachers and staff will most likely lose their jobs.

The cuts will also have a dramatic impact on the state’s public university system, leading to further decreases in spending, increased tuition and student fess, along with possible staff layoffs. California students were once able to attend these institutions free of charge, but have now seen their tuitions grow by more than 100 percent within the past four years alone.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/educ-m03.shtml

2009:
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California schools could eliminate a week of instruction and increase class sizes next year under Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s new plan for solving the state’s budget crisis. The proposal unveiled Wednesday also would allow districts to eliminate one of two science courses required for high school graduation

Schwarzenegger’s plan would provide no teacher salary increases, eliminate a program providing subsidies to overhaul low-performing schools, and suspend participation in a program encouraging teachers to obtain national certification.

Students could see dramatic impacts from the governor’s proposed $2.1 billion in education cuts this fiscal year and $3.1 billion from what schools anticipated in 2009-2010.

“We could lose up to $1.1 million out of our relatively small $3 million budget, so that’s a 35-percent cut,” said Deborah Merrifield, the Executive Director of the Joan A. Male Family Support Center.

This support center prevents child abuse and neglect through different programs and a parent helpline. But the programs are in jeopardy of cutbacks and closings. On New Year’s Eve, five people there were laid off.

http://stash.norml.org/schwarzenegger-seeks-education-cuts

He has also put forth several reforms of which I disapprove. In one,
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Schwarzenegger's reforms include:

--Adopting a merit pay system that would reward effective teachers and give them incentives to work at low-performing campuses;

--Requiring districts to consider student test data when evaluating teachers;

--Evaluating teachers and schools not just by students' achievement of specific goals but by their individual improvement year to year, referred to as "value-added" analysis.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-education/2009/08/25/schwarzeneggers-bi
g-plans-for-calif-schools.html


This puts the responsibility for students’ progress exclusively on the teachers, at a time when our infrastructure is falling apart, there are larger class sizes, textbooks are literally falling apart, etc. His financial cuts are forcing schools to LAY OFF teachers, while his plan demands they improve education! To cut on the one hand then make demands (which will cost money) on the other is illogical and wrong.

Yes, we were having problems before Schwarzenegger; he just made them worse. Same with our budget problems. No, he's not responsible for the problems exclusively, but he bears an awful large part of the responsibility. Yes, everyone’s suffering and cuts have to be made, but many (if not most) Californian’s are pissed off that he put the burden so hugely on our educational system.

I hope that answers your question.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Niki - the teacher's unions and too many illegals drained your education system.

You reap what you sow.

Not Arnie's fault, it's all you Leftie's fault.

All of you.


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