We've done the impossible... by Wulfenstar

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/31/judges-ruling-health-care-l
awsuit-shift-momentum-coverage-debate/

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 31, 2011 11:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I must reluctantly conclude that Congress exceeded the bounds of its authority in passing the act with the individual mandate. That is not to say, of course, that Congress is without power to address the problems and inequities in our health care system. The health care market is more than one-sixth of the national economy, and without doubt Congress has the power to reform and regulate this market. That has not been disputed in this case. The principal dispute has been about how Congress chose to exercise that power here," Vinson wrote.

"While the individual mandate was clearly 'necessary and essential' to the act as drafted, it is not 'necessary and essential' to health care reform in general," he continued. "Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void."

Maybe we could get real health care reform, like universal Medicare.

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Monday, January 31, 2011 11:30 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Hey, Im all for not allowing insurance companies to kick you off for a pre-existing condition...

However, the individual mandate AND the government having access to my healthcare and medical records?

Fuck a buncha that.

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Monday, January 31, 2011 12:14 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The next step is the Supreme Court.

Heres to hope.

And for those bemoaning this.. well it did bring to light that SOME things of Americas healthcare need to be changed.

Just not by forcing a good people to subject themselves to the government. (hint-hint at the British)

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Monday, January 31, 2011 1:14 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

LOL

No comments from the peanut gallery?

Man, I wish I had saved some of the comments..

"Its established law.."

"You are crazy to think it could be reversed!"

etc...

So, if it get reversed, like it should (and replaced..maybe)..

What will Obama have to mark his being president?

OOOooooo, the first black president! Lets build a monument! Cus thats SOOOOOOOOOOO-ooooo important.

First dibs on the pickaxe to bring down THAT monstrosity.

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Monday, January 31, 2011 1:44 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Jeeez, Wulf, you really have problems with patience, don't you? Or is it with not getting immediate attention?

Most likely it won't happen. For one thing, there are other judges who have judged it constitutional in other states. For another, the Supreme Court probably won't uphold the decision. For a third; there are any number of things which are federally mandated (such as vehicle registration, I believe?), so it will be difficult to make a distinction between them and the health care mandate. Not impossible, and I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, but I don't think the Supremes will override it.

For one thing, we have a conservative Supreme Court, and that means they cow-tow to big business; there's too much profit in the mandate for the insurance companies to let this slide, in my opinion.

I don't think it'll be upheld, for other additional reasons. The fight will go on...and on...and on...since the Republicans are determined to keep it an issue, but the longer it goes on, the more people will like it and depend on it, so if it's around long enough, nothing will overturn it.

Mind you, I don't like the mandate either, never did. I see the logic of it; unless everyone, young and old alike, buy insurance, covering everyone will be financially unfeasible. What we REALLY needed was the public option (as in Medicare for all!). Maybe eventually we'll get it; certainly something has to be done, and the do-nothings have kept the status quo for about as long as they can get away with keeping it. Health care is bankrupting the country, and the insurance companies can get away with whatever they want, as they have been, if the new health care law is overturned.

I still don't see it happening. Time will tell. I think you're crowing a bit early, but that's never stopped you before. Does that mean when/if it's upheld, we get to crow over YOU the same childish way you do? I seem to remember many remarks about "we're in charge now", etc., etc., when all "you" are in charge of now is the weakest of the three legislative entities...and nothing's changed as far as I can see.

Where are the jobs? I thought now that Republicans won the House, everything was gonna get better...you were gonna save the country, etc., etc....ad nauseum.

What monument? Do you ever THINK before you type, or aren't you capable of that? Your consistently overblown, childish rhetoric robs you of any validity, little man.

p.s. Incorrect title: "You" haven't "done" anything, and it was never "impossible". Just hold your water before you piss all over everyone, if you can.

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 7:08 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
there are any number of things which are federally mandated (such as vehicle registration, I believe?)

No. Your vehicle registration is in your state. There is no federal mandate.

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I don't think the Supremes will override it.

And you are again wrong. The most important vitals of Obamacare will be overturned on a 5-4 decision, with Kagan, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Breyer being the activists.

Justice Kennedy is, in point of fact, the only justice who's opinion matters. He's the swing. The other 8 justice decisions can be predicted with virtualy no margin of error.

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Wednesday, February 2, 2011 3:12 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
LOL

No comments from the peanut gallery?

Man, I wish I had saved some of the comments..

"Its established law.."

"You are crazy to think it could be reversed!"

I wish you had saved some of them, too. I'd really like to see those comments you think "the peanut gallery" made. As with the rest of your "facts", this one seems to be all in your imagination.

This ruling is part of a PROCESS. It will go to the SCOTUS. It may or may not be reversed or upheld. This was all by design.

One thing that nobody seems to make note of is that the "mandate" part of the healthcare bill was written AS PART OF THE TAX CODE. The SCOTUS has long held (and the Constitution lays out as well) that the government has the right to levy and collects taxes. And as I understand it, this "mandate" is nothing more or less than a system of tax incentives/deductions to encourage people to have health insurance. It's not a fine you pay if you DON'T have insurance - it's a deduction you're eligible for if you DO have it. That's the way I heard it explained. And if that's the case, then it will likely stand. Of course, if it doesn't, then all of you with children, homes, and spouses will be losing an awful lot of your deductions as well, right? ;)

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Wednesday, February 2, 2011 11:34 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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One thing that nobody seems to make note of is that the "mandate" part of the healthcare bill was written AS PART OF THE TAX CODE. The SCOTUS has long held (and the Constitution lays out as well) that the government has the right to levy and collects taxes. And as I understand it, this "mandate" is nothing more or less than a system of tax incentives/deductions to encourage people to have health insurance. It's not a fine you pay if you DON'T have insurance - it's a deduction you're eligible for if you DO have it. That's the way I heard it explained. And if that's the case, then it will likely stand. Of course, if it doesn't, then all of you with children, homes, and spouses will be losing an awful lot of your deductions as well, right? ;)

Mmmm, yes Mike, I'd forgotten that part, as virtually everyone seems to cheerfully do when arguing the issue. I wonder why (not!). I'd forgotten it's not really about the constitutionality of the commerce clause, but actually about the tax code. Ergo, I was thinking it was pretty much a 4-4 with Kennedy as the swing vote, too, as have many others. So, the argument that Kennedy will vote to repeal ("overrule", whatever) because he's been against mandates in the past takes a new turn, potentially...

That makes it interesting to see how SCOTUS will decide; if the argument in favor of keeping it puts it on those terms, are they really that predictable? If so, we've DEFINITELY got some "activist" judges on the right, willing to ignore that there's no "penalty" for not buying health insurance, merely the lack of ability to deduct same...will be interesting to see their argument...

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Wednesday, February 2, 2011 4:36 PM

Charles Freid, Solicitor General under Reagan, says the mandate *IS* constitutional.

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/reagans-solicitor-general-says-he
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I am quite sure that the health care mandate is constitutional. … My authorities are not recent. They go back to John Marshall, who sat in the Virginia legislature at the time they ratified the Constitution, and who, in 1824, in Gibbons v. Ogden, said, regarding Congress’ Commerce power, “what is this power? It is the power to regulate. That is—to proscribe the rule by which commerce is governed.” To my mind, that is the end of the story of the constitutional basis for the mandate.

The mandate is a rule—more accurately, “part of a system of rules by which commerce is to be governed,” to quote Chief Justice Marshall. And if that weren’t enough for you—though it is enough for me—you go back to Marshall in 1819, in McCulloch v. Maryland, where he said “the powers given to the government imply the ordinary means of execution. The government which has the right to do an act”—surely, to regulate health insurance—“and has imposed on it the duty of performing that act, must, according to the dictates of reason, be allowed to select the means.” And that is the Necessary and Proper Clause. [...]

I think that one thing about Judge Vinson’s opinion, where he said that if we strike down the mandate everything else goes, shows as well as anything could that the mandate is necessary to the accomplishment of the regulation of health insurance.

He also addresses the issue of severability, and why the mandate was intrinsic to the bill.

Hey, I'm not crazy about the mandate, either, but it's hardly a closed case as to whether or not it will be upheld or reversed.

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Thursday, February 3, 2011 11:26 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Excellent, Mike, I learned something today. Thank you. Reagan Solicitor General, eh? Interesting.

I find myself wondering: If it's a tax deduction, rather than a "forced mandate" with punishments, isn't the government allowed to levy taxes and deductions as it sees fit? I could be wrong, but I thought that was the case, that the legislature created taxes and tax deductions...? Because if so, doesn't that make the "constitutionality" question kind of moot, given the legislature HAS created that deduction.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:13 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Just wanted to point this out...

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/02/08/house-unexpectedly-defeat
s-patriot-act

Btw, it wasn't a miscalculation. The Tea party has NEVER liked the Patriot Act.

1. Shut down the Patriot Act. (Working on it)

2. Destroy ObamaCare. (Working on it)

"Look at the ‘Don't Tread on Me flag.' It doesn't say don't tread on me, but it's okay if you spy," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), one of the most ardent opponents of the Patriot Act. "What the Republican leadership didn't count on is that they have some new members who are freshmen who are conservative, libertarian, who really do believe in civil liberties."

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:15 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Shut down the Patriot Act. (Working on it)

2. Destroy ObamaCare. (Working on it)

3. Shut down the War on Terror and bring our boys and girls home.

The Tea Party won't ever get my respect until they start working on this too.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:45 AM

KANEMAN

4) Stop all aid to foreign countries....ALL aid.

5) Enforce the borders.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 3:58 AM

Abandon foolish concepts like govt., law and money.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 4:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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"Look at the ‘Don't Tread on Me flag.' It doesn't say don't tread on me, but it's okay if you spy," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), one of the most ardent opponents of the Patriot Act. "What the Republican leadership didn't count on is that they have some new members who are freshmen who are conservative, libertarian, who really do believe in civil liberties."

And who has been spearheading the fight against the Patriot Act? Democrats.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 5:54 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Couple of things.

1. Dems have been in power for 2 years. They COULD have ended the 2 wars, and reversed the Patriot Act. They didn't.

2. The Tea Party is working to fix the errors of the previous presidency, as well as trying to fix the errors of the current party.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 5:58 AM

Sig, Wulf, can the partisan shtick. It's been a bipartisan fight from the beginning and still is.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:59 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Dems have been in power for 2 years. They COULD have ended the 2 wars, and reversed the Patriot Act. They didn't.

Everybody needs to realize that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials in BOTH parties are in favor of both the war and the Patriot Act.

The Tea Party, were they in control, would not end the Patriot Act or the war either. And if they would, they wouldn't get elected.

Very very few want a party that would limit the power of govt that drastically. Witness the impotence of the Libertarian Party or the Green Party.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:04 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

You speak with cynacism, Cant.

I don't blame you for it, mind. But, I believe (have to, actually) that this group I've thrown myself in with is going to at least TRY to make a stand.

Its far past time that we changed things for the better, and from all the evidence I've seen, the people I've met,

we might actually HAVE a chance.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 10:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

How did humanity evolve for 100,000's of years w/ out Gov't supported healthcare ?

How ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 11:11 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

How did the American people survive for 200 years without the government monitoring our mail, our speech, our e-mail, our purchases, our library-checkouts, our internet browsing, our phone calls, our texts, our travel... etc?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:01 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How did humanity evolve for 100,000's of years w/ out Gov't supported healthcare ?

How ?

How'd they go so long without guns?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:25 PM

Story,

Touche

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Its far past time that we changed things for the better, and from all the evidence I've seen, the people I've met, we might actually HAVE a chance.

Then try to end this stupid war, if you can, please.

Thank you.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 5:04 PM

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Then try to end this stupid war, if you can, please.

Thank you.

Working on it.

The problem with the Tea Party is that because it's a set of ideas and not an organization, anyone can set themselves up as a "tea party leader" even if they have no real libertarian roots (Sarah Palin, Sal Russo* and now Jeb Bush)

* For those not familiar with Sal Russo, here's who he really is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Move_America_Forward

I actually would be tempted to include Glenn Beck here, but I have to grant that he *was* a libertarian before the Tea Party, so he's not completely out of line, he's just a worrisome self appointed leader of it.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 5:26 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I actually would be tempted to include Glenn Beck here, but I have to grant that he *was* a libertarian before the Tea Party, so he's not completely out of line, he's just a worrisome self appointed leader of it.

Sorry, Beck is NOT (nor was) a libertarian in my book, even if he calls himself one.

Beck has never supported to end the War on Terror or to end the Patriot Act. Or to cut aid to all foreign govt. Or to make govt smaller in truly significant ways. Not the way Ron Paul has.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Sorry, Beck is NOT (nor was) a libertarian in my book, even if he calls himself one.

Beck has never supported to end the War on Terror or to end the Patriot Act. Or to cut aid to all foreign govt. Or to make govt smaller in truly significant ways. Not the way Ron Paul has.

I'd like to agree, but you know my definition of groups, if you call yourself a duck and the other ducks don't kick you out of the nest, you're a duck.

Beck's been calling himself a libertarian for a while, since before the Tea Party. He's not my idea of libertarian, and I'd agree with you about Ron Paul, whose Tea Party it is, but there are possibly other types of libertarian. There's a group who calls themselves "Libertarian Socialists" It seems to me this is an oxymoron, but then, as long as they quack, they're probably a ducklike creature of some sort.

I don't accept Beck as a tea party leader, but a lot of ducklings do. I'd personally like to see him gone off into whatever Betty Ford has for politicians ;)

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Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How did humanity evolve for 100,000's of years w/ out Gov't supported healthcare ?

How ?

Ask Sarah Palin.

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Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:14 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
He's not my idea of libertarian, and I'd agree with you about Ron Paul, whose Tea Party it is,

...I don't accept Beck as a tea party leader, but a lot of ducklings do.

First, the Tea Party may have started out supporting Ron Paul, but it's deviated far and long since becoming popular. I would say they no longer support even half of Ron Paul's positions anymore. So again in my book, the Tea Party is not libertarian.

Yes, Beck is well respected in the Tea Party, which is one reason why I don't respect the Tea Party.

ETA:

http://www.infowars.com/glenn-becks-a-libertarian-now/

https://rmangum2001.wordpress.com/category/glenn-beck-is-not-a-liberta
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Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:50 AM

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I see little difference between Congressional Dems & Repubs. It looks to me like the Tea Party is a one-issue movement, and they oppose spending and deficits. Wow, okay, now let's move on, but for the other issues of the day, I haven't heard unified positions on anything, except maybe that Angle, O'Donnell, and Paul are all unified on the subject of insanity. The newly-empowered mainstream D.C. Republicans seem clueless as well. They had a few months before taking control to supposedly make some plans. Can't wait to see anything substantive from them that has a prayer of getting signed by Obama. Our foreign policy is in shambles, the terror threat is back to its' highest levels, gas and food prices are soaring, runaway inflation is looming, the Mexican border is out of control, and all these well-dressed ego-maniacs want to do is score political gotcha points in the media as they try to set the stage for next year's Presidential campaign. I am very glad I'm in the last trimester of my life. Hopefully I've socked away enough money to weather any future economic storm that threatens to seriously change the American way of life. Good luck to you young folks. I fear your future won't be as bright as the generations that preceded you, and that's a damn shame.

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Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:57 AM

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the Tea Party is not libertarian.

I think we should avoid this sort of thing, because it agrees to hand over the tea party, which is not yet defined, and has quickly become the third most powerful force in American politics, over en toto to Glenn Beck and his ilk.

It was started by Ron Paul, and yes, its picked up a lot of ignorant peole, but ignorance is not a political position, these people can be informed, and if they choose to split off, we can still have the revolution.

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Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:20 AM

FREMDFIRMA

So blind, so complacent, so naively trusting...
Inexcusable, especially when the goddamn voting is a matter of public record.

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Of those eight freshmen, it appears that all were Tea Party-supported candidates. It's encouraging to see these officials stick to their professed ideals. I hope that this is a continuing phenomenon. According to this article at MSNBC, though, at least forty house seats went to Tea Party-backed candidates. Cross-referencing the list at MSNBC and the outcome of the vote, the following is a list of Tea Party-backed candidates voting for the bill:

Tim Griffin (AR-2), Paul Gosar (AZ-1), Steve Southerland (FL-2), Allen West (FL-22), Sandy Adams (FL-24), Bob Dold (IL-10), Adam Kinzinger (IL-11), Marlin Stutzman (IN-3), Todd Young (IN-9), Jeff Landry (LA-3), Dan Benishek (MI-1), Tim Walberg (MI-7), Michelle Bachmann (MN-6), Vicky Hartzler (MO-4), Renee Ellmers (NC-2), Frank Guinta (NH-1), Joe Heck (NV-3), Michael Grimm (NY-13), Steven Chabot (OH-1), Bill Johnson (OH-6), Steve Stivers (OH-15), Jim Renacci (OH-16), Tim Scott (SC-1), Jeff Duncan (SC-3), Trey Gowdy (SC-4), Mick Mulvaney (SC-5), Scott DesJarlais (TN-4), Bill Flores (TX-17), H. Morgan Griffith (VA-9), Sean Duffy (WI-7), Reid Ribble (WI-8), David McKinley (WV-1)

That's thirty-one out of forty voting for the bill (77.5%), eight voting against, and one no-vote. Despite the eight nay votes, Tea Party-backed candidates overwhelmingly supported an extension of the PATRIOT Act. That's not good for anybody.

But no, you just take their word for it...

This message sponsored by the chair leg of truth.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:33 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So blind, so complacent, so naively trusting...
Inexcusable, especially when the goddamn voting is a matter of public record.

Well, exactly. These people are NOT libertarian.

Libertarian is as libertarian votes, n'est ce pas?

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Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:15 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
...but ignorance is not a political position...

Again, ask Sarah Palin.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, February 11, 2011 1:26 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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3. Shut down the War on Terror and bring our boys and girls home.

The Tea Party won't ever get my respect until they start working on this too.

Hail Hail $3. The Tea Party would get some respect from ME if they started working on jobs, which is what they got elected on. What happened to that, by the way, anyway??

Uh, Wulf:

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Dems have been in power for 2 years. They COULD have ended the 2 wars, and reversed the Patriot Act. They didn't.

But they’ve been two 10-year wars, where were those in power THEN???

CTTS:

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Everybody needs to realize that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials in BOTH parties are in favor of both the war and the Patriot Act.

To a degree, I agree. Definitely power, once given, is damned hard to take away; with any politician, any legislator, or any government!

As to Glenn Beck being a libertarian:

Glenn Beck seems like someone who’s totally crazy. Only he’s crazy like a fox (Fox?). He knows exactly what he’s doing and he’s laughing all the way to the bank. CTTS is right, too.

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I don't accept Beck as a tea party leader, but a lot of ducklings do. I'd personally like to see him gone off into whatever Betty Ford has for politicians ;)

But I’m kinda confused. You seemed to have said he “was” a libertarian...?

Again, CTTS:

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First, the Tea Party may have started out supporting Ron Paul, but it's deviated far and long since becoming popular. I would say they no longer support even half of Ron Paul's positions anymore. So again in my book, the Tea Party is not libertarian.

I agree.

JS:

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all these well-dressed ego-maniacs want to do is score political gotcha points in the media as they try to set the stage for next year's Presidential campaign.

Right on, but as to

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a one-issue movement, and they oppose spending and deficits

I beg to disagree. There’s also all those pesky little social issues like abortion and religion and all... As O’Donnell said: ““We took the Bible and prayer out of public schools, and now we're having weekly shootings practically,”

CTTS:

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Libertarian is as libertarian votes, n'est ce pas?

Oui, cest ça.

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Friday, February 11, 2011 1:39 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Um, who says that Republicans are better?

They had the Patriot Act.

Dems have ObamaCare.

Both are powergrabs...

CONTROL of the people, you silly girl.

THATS what its about.

AND EVERYTHING IM AGAINST.

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Friday, February 11, 2011 2:13 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, if so that's good. If you've changed and grown, more power to you. You've always been pretty right-leaning, or maybe anti-left would be better; if you're finding more perspective, you're growing. Tho' if it's only to switch over to the Tea Party, that's another matter.

If you're seeing through all of them, that's good; if you can figure out how not to throw the baby out with the bath water, that will be even better.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Sig, Wulf, can the partisan shtick. It's been a bipartisan fight from the beginning and still is.

No it hasn't. Some of the Dem Party are in the hands of big money. MORE in the Repub party are in the hands of big money. The agenda of the Repubs has always been to suck up to money. Even the tea party is a dupe of big money. Follow the money, honey: Who is funding? They'll get whatever they want. Only the working person gets screwed in the end. Tea Pertiers are stupid. They think the Tea Party is about "freedom"?????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Suckers.

Wulf is the biggest sucker of all, and DT is not far behind.

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Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh, I had this long addition, but the inet ate it. So in brief, here is its:

The Tea Party is funded by big money. Big conservative money, like the Koch Brothers, Murdoch, and the US Chamber of Commerce. No matter what they promise, in the end their goal is to suck more money out of the people who don't belong to their little club. In all the talk of balancing the budget and getting the gubmint off "your" (ie their) back by cutting Social Security and Medicare and doing away with the home mortgage deduction, there is nary a peep about cutting the DOD and ending corporate subsidies and taxing the rich. And none of the news media is pointing out that void in the conversation. (Do you remember me saying a while back that you can get a lot of information from what is NOT being talked about? Here is a great example.) Oh sure- a few politicians here and there will make some noise about it, but in the end you'll get screwed and they'll get richer. Because it's all about money. Let me repeat that: it's not about "freedom" or "gun control" or "getting the gubmint off your back", IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY.

So as much as I would love to see the insurance mandate disappear but still keep the regulations which prevent some of the more egregious insurance abuses, because of who is funding the movement I will bet you dollars to donuts that the result will be the exact opposite: We'll be required to shell out our money to insurance companies with a naked “pay or die” business model, while they can cut you off on a whim when you need coverage the most, and there won't be nuttin' you can do about it.

This wouldn't be the first time some ijit came to power by saying one thing a doing another. Do you think Hitler would have been elected if he had run on a platform of a ruinous war and genocide? If you really want to know what's going to happen Don't listen to what the politicians say. They're trained liars for god's sake. Do you REALLY think that their supporters give a hoot about you, or anything having to do with you??? Look at their money source. Because, when you see backers like that, it's all about money.

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Sunday, February 20, 2011 5:39 AM