Silver and Gold...Silver and Gold by kaneman

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Silver and Gold...Silver and Gold

POSTED BY: KANEMAN
UPDATED: Sunday, April 10, 2011 21:08
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Thursday, April 7, 2011 5:53 PM

I'm I the only one that thinks Nothaus conviction for counterfeiting and fraud is...Hilarious? This justice department actually made and won an arguement that boils down to....Only the FED can counterfeit money. Nothaus never made fake dollars. He made and sold gold and silver coins, explained to consumers it was not legal tender, and could only be used as barter. Those that bought the silver liberty dollar have seen a 400% return. What is the government worried about? Is it so bad that we know OUR money is not worth the paper it's printed on, that we know it is no longer a "note" redeamable for silver and gold...something with intrinsic value. Is that bad? Where did we go so wrong that OUR government tells us what is valued and what we can make and buy?

Send me to the black(see Kwicko I like black, just not as a skin color

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Thursday, April 7, 2011 8:02 PM

CANTTAKESKY

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I'm I the only one that thinks Nothaus conviction for counterfeiting and fraud is...Hilarious?

I think it is tragic and sad and horrifying.

My heart broke when I heard it.

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Friday, April 8, 2011 4:52 AM

HARDWARE

And the hand of crushing government closes a little bit more.

I think he should have manufactured flat strips of one ounce silver with notches segmenting them into ten equal parts. Don't even use the term coin. Just market them as barter bars. Knurl the edges so they can't be shaved easily and put them up for sale.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, April 8, 2011 7:43 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
...explained to consumers it was not legal tender

Except that part where the website was splashed over and over again with "It's real money!" and "Use it to pay for whatever you need!" not to mention all the dollar amounts stamped on the coins. They couldn't have been prosecuted if they hadn't said stupid things like that. Had they said something more along the lines of, "Collectible item made of pure silver, with a current market value of $25" and refrained from actually stamping dollar amounts on there, it would have been much easier to keep their asses out of the fire.

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redeamable for silver and gold...something with intrinsic value.

I do not think that word means what you think it means. Gold has grown valuable in computer manufacture, but prior to that, and currently to just about everyone, it was just shiny metal. Even with its usefulness in computers, it's not essential to survival. For intrinsic value I would have to say things like food, drinkable water, salt for pickling and preservation, maybe a cow... you know, things I would want to have on a desert island. That's intrinsic value. Shiny metal on a desert island? Worthless, unless the metal was a blade of some kind for chopping wood, which gold is entirely useless for. Salt used to be currency for a reason. Other things commonly bartered off the top of my head: fur, jerky, hatchets, livestock, grains, and other things that would help with survival, then followed by trinkets of glass, metal, or polished shiny sticks. Decoration was secondary, not intrinsic, and that is still the case.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Friday, April 8, 2011 4:29 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

What non-perishable item or object would you recommend stockpiling for an imagined economic collapse?

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Friday, April 8, 2011 5:03 PM

HARDWARE

Bullets.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, April 8, 2011 5:17 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

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What non-perishable item or object would you recommend stockpiling for an imagined economic collapse?

Water, primarily. Whenever there's a massive snowstorm here, water is the first thing off the shelves. Tablets for purifying water would also be good to have around. Wood, matches, candles. Salt, jerky, sauerkraut or other properly canned and fermented vegetable. Seeds and gardening tools. Warm clothes and blankets. Livestock, if the means exist. Honey, because it's a foodstuff that can be used as a salve on wounds in an emergency, and the good stuff will turn to crystalized goo and last for years.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Friday, April 8, 2011 6:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Knowledge.

It weighs nothing, can't be stolen, and can be bartered for damn near anything.

Believe me, when we had that ginornimous blackout up here, guess who got tapped to fix all the small engine generators which for lack of maintainence often failed to work ?
(Usually fuel gone bad, dirty carb, plugged airfilter, 90% of the time.)

I coulda named my price, folks - but I simply told them "Remember this courtesy in the future."
Which is of course, one of the *reasons* I manage to get away with so much chicanery locally.

Knowledge is the ultimate nonperishable supply.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, April 9, 2011 6:28 PM

HARDWARE

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
What non-perishable item or object would you recommend stockpiling for an imagined economic collapse?

Water, primarily. Whenever there's a massive snowstorm here, water is the first thing off the shelves. Tablets for purifying water would also be good to have around. Wood, matches, candles. Salt, jerky, sauerkraut or other properly canned and fermented vegetable. Seeds and gardening tools. Warm clothes and blankets. Livestock, if the means exist. Honey, because it's a foodstuff that can be used as a salve on wounds in an emergency, and the good stuff will turn to crystalized goo and last for years.

Facts are stubborn things.

One aside on the sauerkraut, cabbage is a good source of vitamin C. If you can't get citrus to fend off scurvy, cabbage. Best fresh, but sauerkraut will still have some, and it keeps without refrigeration.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:08 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I feel bad about this, my uncle told me about it and I think the government is being too picky since they weren't "legal tinder", let the guy have his fun.

Well I guess I won't have to share my stockpile of gold nuggets with LiLi now will I.

:)

Frem, that was a really good point about knowledge, nicely done,

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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