Fracking by dreamtrove

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Fracking

POSTED BY: DREAMTROVE
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 03:08
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Friday, April 15, 2011 5:20 PM

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=238750

Just thought it was curious that our story made it over there. Fracking battles rage here.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, April 15, 2011 5:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

What are you doing readin the Tehran Times ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, April 15, 2011 6:02 PM

DREAMTROVE

Why do I read Haretz? or the People's Daily? You've seen me cite all sorts of sources here. It was linked from google news, that's why. I search news on fracking daily, you have to when you're fighting a political battle.

Short answer: people have differing opinions. As I just said, I listen to everyone. I want to know what people think at AllAfrica.com. I like to hear what the National Review and the Nation have to say. I weigh all opinions more or less equally.

The question I would ask is "Why don't you?" Do you narrow your sources to only those that agree with you?

Here, I was reading because they were writing about my local news. I don't really follow their local labor disputes in Tehran.

You want to know where I get most of my news? India. You know why? Because most news that is written in the English language is written in India. That's because that's where most of the people who read and write English live.

But last time I checked, Iran wasn't an enemy of the USA. Or of Israel.

Anyway, their summary of the story is pretty on target, but nothing new to those who have been following it locally. Just curious that it made international news in Iran, and also, I thought that it might strike some people.

ETA: You need to get out more ;)

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Friday, April 15, 2011 6:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Twas just a question.

No need to get all defensive and suspicious.

Or is there ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:48 AM

DREAMTROVE

Is this the new creepy?

Here's a simple answer: Because it's there. And in English, which I can read. And is linked to from Google.

You have a problem with the Tehran Times?

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Is this the new creepy?

Here's a simple answer: Because it's there. And in English, which I can read. And is linked to from Google.

You have a problem with the Tehran Times?

Chain pulling exercise complete.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

What are you doing readin the Tehran Timers ?

Timers?

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:31 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Is this the new creepy?

Here's a simple answer: Because it's there. And in English, which I can read. And is linked to from Google.

You have a problem with the Tehran Times?

Chain pulling exercise complete.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello,

I am not surprised to find that you like to hold people's chains.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I am not surprised to find that you like to hold people's chains.

--Anthony

Yank, not 'hold'. Perhaps the idiom is lost in translation ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:49 PM

DREAMTROVE

Auraptor, at home, yanking his chain.

I guess this answers the question, it is the new creepy.

Let me know if anyone was interested in the content of the article.

Perhaps this section of FFF needs to be retitled "Personal Attack Discussions, where real world events are mentioned, then ignored."

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Auraptor, at home, yanking his chain.

I guess this answers the question, it is the new creepy.

Let me know if anyone was interested in the content of the article.

Are you six ? The term is 'yanking YOUR chain', as in toying with another... and having fun at their expense.

Good gracious, you folks are dense.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:39 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Perhaps this section of FFF needs to be retitled "Personal Attack Discussions, where real world events are mentioned, then ignored."

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

Hello,

Perhaps re-post again with a new title. I think this stream is contaminated.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chain pulling exercise complete.

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Sunday, April 17, 2011 8:53 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

A DT a chara,

This is a huge issue, I really appreciate you for bringing it to my attention because it sounds absoutely awful and I think its really good that you are fighting against it. Water is my element and I love being in it, lakes, rivers, streams, the ocean. The idea of people putting super dangerous stuff in it in such a fashion sounds horrid. So far this hasn't come up at all in my state, which is why I'd never heard of it before you explained it to me. And good for the Tehran Times, hopefully they can prevent it happening in their country by getting the word out about how bad it is, more power to them.

It makes sense that DT found this issue in the Tehran Times, he'd probably look for all sorts of info about this topic because he is passionate about putting an end to this dangerous and reckless practice.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, April 18, 2011 2:57 AM

DREAMTROVE

Iran can avoid fracking until we beneficently give them "regime change." If only we could do the same here

I found it there because that's what google linked to, but I search on the topic fairly regularly and have posted stuff on it before.

Here's more in depth

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/02/cracking_down_on_f
racking.html

Careful to not confused vertical fracking with horizontal fracking. Vertical fracking uses water with no added chemicals, so the only contamination can come from the gas itself. Horizontal fracking adds up to a thousand toxic chemicals by millions to billions of gallons to the water supply resulting in permanent toxification.

If fracking were done by an enemy, it would classify as a war crime under international law, and there seems to be no dissent on that point. Ergo, to do it to your own people means that I can only find two other ways to describe it: As an act of genocide, or an act of terrorism. Take your pick.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, April 18, 2011 3:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

So it looks like vertical fracking is a little safer, though not an optimal thing by any means, I don't like either.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, April 18, 2011 4:01 PM

BYTEMITE

http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/oil-gas/FutureSupply/Images/CBM_M
apOfResource.JPG

Notice that the believed natural gas (and oil shale!) reservoirs are also upstream of... pretty much everyone in the US.

In other words, they're all in recharge and headwaters areas.

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Monday, April 18, 2011 5:26 PM

DREAMTROVE

New England is looking nice this time of year ;)

Riona,

Vert. Fracking is done to normal gas wells to get an extra 10% out of the well. It could also stand to be banned.

Re: Horizontal fracking, Also, it is tipping us off to the fact that shale really only holds about 10% of what a regular well holds, despite industry claims, and wells so far in Pennsylvania are bearing this out. They're also bearing out an incredibly high accident rate. 6 months ago, their failure rate was 1.5%, now it's 3.0%. Critics say failure rate is going to continue at 3%/year, for the next 30 years.

Byte, yep, looks like they're trying to kill us all. Of course, it's not a war if no one fights back. I already said that the survivors will look back at us the way we often look back at the jews in Germany before the holocaust Re: "Why didn't they fight back?"

One failed well is capable of permanently contaminating an entire watershed.

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Monday, April 18, 2011 5:33 PM

BYTEMITE

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Re: Horizontal fracking, Also, it is tipping us off to the fact that shale really only holds about 10% of what a regular well holds, despite industry claims, and wells so far in Pennsylvania are bearing this out. They're also bearing out an incredibly high accident rate. 6 months ago, their failure rate was 1.5%, now it's 3.0%. Critics say failure rate is going to continue at 3%/year, for the next 30 years.

This isn't really surprising. Most of the geologists I know have been saying for YEARS that oil shale and gas shale aren't viable because of the content and pore space issues, coupled with the fact that they're harder to process than oil or gas from other material. If you think about the properties of the medium, it's pretty obvious.

Then you intentionally try to disturb large scale areas of explosive and shockable gas in order to increase product... What do they think is going to happen?

If the industry isn't aware of it and aren't doing all this on purpose or at the behest of some crazy agendas, then they have to be extremely stupid.

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Monday, April 18, 2011 6:26 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

They must be aware of it, they probably just don't care, they aren't forward thinking enough, they can make a proffit at it now so thinking about tomorrow doesn't seem as important, they probably talk themselves into believing that some new thing will be invented to reverse the dammage they did, so they figure it will all work out, :(

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:08 AM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:
Re: Horizontal fracking, Also, it is tipping us off to the fact that shale really only holds about 10% of what a regular well holds, despite industry claims, and wells so far in Pennsylvania are bearing this out. They're also bearing out an incredibly high accident rate. 6 months ago, their failure rate was 1.5%, now it's 3.0%. Critics say failure rate is going to continue at 3%/year, for the next 30 years.

This isn't really surprising. Most of the geologists I know have been saying for YEARS that oil shale and gas shale aren't viable because of the content and pore space issues, coupled with the fact that they're harder to process than oil or gas from other material. If you think about the properties of the medium, it's pretty obvious.

Then you intentionally try to disturb large scale areas of explosive and shockable gas in order to increase product... What do they think is going to happen?

If the industry isn't aware of it and aren't doing all this on purpose or at the behest of some crazy agendas, then they have to be extremely stupid.

I used to be a less skeptical person, and I would've still probably have tended to lean towards Riona's "thoughtless greed" agenda if I didn't know for a fact that Byte was right one this one.

The people involved in promoting fracking are folks like T. Boone Pickens who are already heavily invested in fresh water distribution and water monetization.

Sure, under these people are some hapless dupes who are driven by senseless short-term greed. Globalists have relied on the cretinous nature of humanity to do this sort of thing for a while.

Since the fracking industry has nominal net gains at best on its own, it has to have been designed on a rob Peter to pay Paul model in order to work at all.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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