Ayn Rand by Wulfenstar

Ayn Rand has some good ideas, but the end result of the affect of her philosophy on most of her followers is that they become self absorbed and manipulative, seeing others as auxiliary units of added value, rather than seeing human interactions as an economic relationship of give and take. Many of us have known people who, after they become Randers, are all "take take take." I don't think that it's really partisan. At some point I mean to dissect her works and try to figure out which parts steer folks wrong, and which are worth keeping.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:29 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
Why don't liberals just stop the b.s. and start burning books they don't like? Come "out-of-the-closet", so to speak.

They don't mind being socialists on a national scale... so why not just admit what you are?

Two words: Quran burnings. Anthony is correct, both sides do it. Any form of extremism can result in ignorance and foolishness.

Not overly fond of Ayn Rand myself. Her experiences seem to have made her pretty extreme, she doesn't even seem to like voluntary charity. As if you can't take care of yourself AND give a damn about society in general, and free marketing industry leaders agreeing to be honest and not sell snake oil will somehow take away from all the progress that they're achieving. Such as bombs, and bigger bombs.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:15 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
MSNBC Guest: Liking Ayn Rand Means You Endorse Terrorism, or Something

Which is really funny, because the current resident of the WH is fully ingrained w/ terrorist who are completely unrepentant.

THIS is what Rand was trying to warn the world about, folks like ....

Highly motivated, educated and ideologically driven " elites ", showing their form of 'compassion'.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:28 PM

STORYMARK

I love that a pro-abortion atheist who's work inspired the Satanic Bible has become such a right wing goddess.

Also cute that Rappy boy calls liberals book burners for what they say, but ignores those on the right who actually burn the damned things.

But what else do you expect from a Zealot?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:41 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I love that a pro-abortion atheist who's work inspired the Satanic Bible has become such a right wing goddess.

Also cute that Rappy boy calls liberals book burners for what they say, but ignores those on the right who actually burn the damned things.

But what else do you expect from a Zealot?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I never said anything about book burners.

Me thinks you have a reading / comprehension problem. Or you're just confused.

But per that issue, of burning books, are you comparing this to the lone nut case in Florida, who has been universally condemned for his burning of the qu'ran ?

Huh?

And this bloated clown on the Sgt Shultz show, talking about a FICTIONAL character, blowing up buildings ??

WHO THE HELL IS AN ACTUAL REAL LIFE BOMBER AND TERRORIST, WHO IS BUDDIES WITH THE CURRENT PRESIDENT ??

To quote john McEnroe...

You CAN'T be serious !

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:29 PM

Here, is your John Galt.
http://www.alternet.org/story/145819/?page=entire
Oh yes, such a noble hero, indeed.

Not to mention she cribbed most anything useful from Garret and then mangled it beyond recognition with contradictory screeds borrowed in sound byte form from every fascist fuck the american capitalists were sucking up to at the time in preparation for and after their failed and abortive military coup in 1933, thank you Smedley Butler!

I had a couple of those dickheads try to pick a damn fight with me when I went to see Hanna with my ex, cause it's well known around here what my opinion of that sociopathic bitch and her fucking randroid jackboot lickers is, and despite not even realizing they were there, much less sayin word one to em - my mere EXISTENCE was such a threat and assault to the cowardly dicks (which is in keeping with their philosophy, actually, as Rand herself was exactly of the same mein) that they felt the need to come over and start some shit.

Only, Hop was also showing, and did I mention that most of the local parents are quite fond of me ?
Which was right handy in this case cause the usher who came over to sort it out was pretty blatantly siding with them (and seemingly hell bent on throwing me out), only to have over a dozen pissed off parents chewing his ear since all *I* was doing was buying popcorn.

The ONLY real problem John Galt had with the situation, in keeping with the rampant hypocrisy, deceit and sociopathy of Objectivism, was that HE was not in charge of it.

Period.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:40 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Is she dead? people talk about her in the past tense, I don't know anything about her except that she wrote a novel and also this book that you guys keep mentioning, I'm not much for informational books myself, with a few exceptions, if I'm going to read a book it needs a beginning, middle, end and charactors and a plot thank you.

What are her main philosophy points? All I've heard is that she's very self centered. Quick and easy description that doesn't have links in it anyone?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:19 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Riona: She's dead. Her books are predominantly novels, which espouse her personal philosophy of "Egoism" or "Objectivism" (depending on the source) - the idea that ONLY the übermensch are capable of dragging the world forward into the future, with the rest of the miserable proles holding them back, kicking and screaming. Her stories have plot, of a sort, and characters, however one-dimensional and wooden they may be, and beginnings, REALLY long middles, and ends.

Try "The Fountainhead" if you're willing. Or "Anthem", one of her shorter ones. "Atlas Shrugged" is for later, if you decide you like her writing and can stomach it. I've actually read about a half-dozen of her books, and have a few first editions of a couple. I found them entertaining about 35 years ago when I was 13, but I found Stephen King entertaining then, too...

Of course, you can go rent the movie version of "The Fountainhead", with Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal, which is a very condensed version of the book which still keeps to the main points of the novel.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:21 PM

America loves a winner!

Ayn Rand didn't idolize a serial killer, Frem/

just more nonsensical hyper rhetoric from the extreme, far Left, hell bent on defaming a woman who'd love nothing more than the total elimination of socialism and communism. Can't say I blame her, one bit.

And yes, she's long gone, R.

1905 - 1982

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:55 PM

Indeed she did, in her own diaries and notebooks, in her own handwriting - but of course no amount of real world evidence of what a monster she was is ever gonna get through to you "True Believers" any more than the obvious notion that Yaweh is an evil malicious prick that feeds on human misery would to most Christians.

But here's the rub - the notion that the mere EXISTENCE of another way, another culture or belief is a threat that must instantly be destroyed is a critical self-condemning admission of weakness.

It means that if there is ANY OTHER CHOICE AT ALL, than people will flock to it, abandoning yours, and as such it cannot be allowed to exist...

Which means your ideology HAS FAILED, is a failure, is neither logically consistent nor real world effective, and is thus terminally broken.
(For example)
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Cautionary-Tale-of-a/125452/

In short, every time one of you randroid or religious scum - which might I add I consider one and the same because Objectivism qualifies in my eyes as a religion when the faith placed in it is directly contradictory to every scrap of evidence - goes blasting and flaming anything that isn't them and theirs, it is a complete admission of the weakness and failure of their own ideology.

That pressing NEED, to destroy any other ideology, culture or belief - is a monstrous thing, because not only is it an admission of the failure of your own, but it also speaks of a desire to drag everyone else swirling down the drain with you rather than face up to and admit it.

Objectivism, thy name is denial.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:15 PM

America loves a winner!

The only way freedom fails is if it's oppressed and crushed, by pure democracy.

Like the way you zealots want.

I'll pass.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:43 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Well at least they are novels. Maybe I'll watch the movie or something.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:58 PM

Zealot I'll give you - but how on EARTH did you manage to forget imma Anarchist ?

Somethin wrong with your brain, son.

-F

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:08 PM

I had forgotten about the William Edward Hickman thing.

I've only read that she wrote extensively about his evolved perfect mind in notebooks and submitted a book about him for publication which was not published because the publisher thought it glorified a psychopath.

If you care to try to discredit it, fire away.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The only way freedom fails is if it's oppressed and crushed, by pure democracy.

Like the way you zealots want.

I'll pass.

How very Randian of you. She was a big believer in a "democracy of superiors", too. And - apparently like you - she viewed "the masses" as "lice" and "leeches". Her beliefs weren't the antithesis or opposite of communism or socialism - they were their twin!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:18 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

But here's the rub - the notion that the mere EXISTENCE of another way, another culture or belief is a threat that must instantly be destroyed is a critical self-condemning admission of weakness.

It means that if there is ANY OTHER CHOICE AT ALL, than people will flock to it, abandoning yours, and as such it cannot be allowed to exist...

Frem,
That might be the single most concise, accurate, and effective tear-down of the religious hive mind mentality I have ever read.

You are completely correct.

I've always viewed the almost xenophobic efforts of religious leaders, or community/fringe group leaders, who do everything they can to demonize all other belief systems, to be nothing but pure fear. Fear that their followers may one day wake up and sniff a smidge of independant thinking, leaving the rigid belief systems imposed on them behind.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:28 AM

America loves a winner!

Such concepts are above your ability to comprehend, Kwickie.

Stay on the porch, son. Let the big dogs run.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

When I read her books I thought (and, slap me for being such a sexist!) This woman needs to get laid. All of her books read like long and extremely tedious romance novels, where sexual frustration is sublimated as political motivation. That's a few hours of my live I'll never get back!

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I never said anything about book burners.

You're right. My bad. That was Wulfie. I get you wingnuts mixed up sometimes.

Cute that you want to pretend that one "lone nutjob" is the only rightie to burn a book. Guess confusion is widespread 'round here.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:43 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

I had forgotten about the William Edward Hickman thing.

I've only read that she wrote extensively about his evolved perfect mind in notebooks and submitted a book about him for publication which was not published because the publisher thought it glorified a psychopath.

If you care to try to discredit it, fire away.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

Did not. Nuh-uh. Rappy said so, so it MUST be true, right???

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:11 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
freedom fails is if it's oppressed and crushed, by pure democracy

Oh, THAT'S how you tea-baggers manage to use the word "freedom" without any sense of irony!

I'm going to put that statement up there with "destroying the village in order to save it" and other mind-destroying rationalizations.

Rappy, I hope that one day you will look back at your former self and ask What was I thinking?. Until then, I will feel very very sorry for you.

You too, Wulf.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:07 PM

Another take on Rand and her miserable life:

http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:26 PM

I'm okay with throwing Rand to the wolves. I think that she can still be mined for good ideas, but I also think she breeds a kind of psychopath.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:40 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I never said anything about book burners.

You're right. My bad. That was Wulfie. I get you wingnuts mixed up sometimes.

Cute that you want to pretend that one "lone nutjob" is the only rightie to burn a book. Guess confusion is widespread 'round here.

I'm not 'pretending' anything. I understood the issue to be of the Gainesville FL " preacher " who burned a Qu'ran.

I know you'd love to bring up a random array of decades old events where some out of the way church in Dogpatch USA burned this or that book, but that's not relevant to the issue at hand.

That hardly compares to this universal hatred by the Left for Ayn Rand and this kook going on national t.v., muttering his inanities.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, April 22, 2011 9:15 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ayn Rand seems to think that the producers (those that lead and develop a product that helps mankind, while also giving jobs, wages etc) are

actually

good.

Wow. What an idea.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, April 22, 2011 1:39 PM

Wulf

So does everyone else. The issue is whether or not Rand has a positive effect on the collaborative nature of human effort. I think some of her ideas by themselves help, but that those who follow her religiously tend to end up as sole operators towards their own benefit, and even in an individualist free society that is an overall liability.

The sticky point is that we rely on each other and help one another, and collaborate better together because when acting as groups we are more than the some of our parts, and much more than our individual selves.

I see this as very different from collectivism, in which the cooperation is not a collaboration of different minds, but the obedience to a single thought pattern and effort, which I think leads to disaster at the other end of the spectrum.

Rand is not without merit, but Frem's points on Randroids is well taken. I've known a number of insular isolated people who serve no one but themselves as a result of their adherence to Ayn Rand's philosophy.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, April 22, 2011 5:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

WULF-

Producers are those that actually MAKE a product.

IIRC, at the end of (one of her many tedious novels) The Heroes go off to found a society of "their own".

Dood, I was 16 years old when I read that novel, and even I thought... yeah, but who is going to produce the steel?

There's a big gap between having an "idea" and "producing" a product. That difference is... wait for it... work!

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, April 22, 2011 6:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"The only way freedom fails is if it's oppressed and crushed, by pure democracy."

Priceless. Gonna' save this is case Rap ever gets a brain and tries to erase this gem.

PS If anyone had ANY doubts as what Rap really is, I hope this is an education.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, April 22, 2011 7:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As for those inventors and captains of industry who 'make the world run' - I'd like to see how far they get trying to do it all themselves - without anyone to, you know, work.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:32 AM

Actually DT, again, most of the salient points made (as opposed to the incoherent and contradictory ramblings) are cribbed almost verbatim from an author by the unlikely name of Garet Garret from some book HE wrote back in the 1920s, but damned if I can remember the name of it off the top of my head.

Which is why sections of her book seem all out of place and almost copy-pasted in, cause very likely they were.

Seriously, you'd have to go pretty far (provided one excludes Cheney and Kissinger) in order to find anyone else with so few redeeming qualities as a human being.

-Frem
PS. I rather do agree with the common assessment, mind you...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouNeedToGetLaid
Although, given that we kinda know she did (and again, with huge doses of hypocrisy and spite involved) I don't think it helped much.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:16 AM

Just for you, Frem

Google's new "Okay, be evil" Randroid OS:

The new patented (everywhere don't copy it or we will bankrupt your grandmother) software is designed to optimize the performance of your machine without any deference to other users or the network as a whole.

Earlier adopters are attracted by the corporate image associated with the product:

Though many are disillusioned when they file that networks are shared, and it brings back memories of filesharing and bittorrent when other people might use your bandwidth.

Fortunately, the new randroid system is especially networked to take advantage of a shared system to make sure that you end up with everything, and no one else ends up with anything!

Sounds to good to be true? Well, as long as you are the only user of the product, it might work.

And as long as your network can handle everyone's files, data and your only socket connections across the network are to leech resources to serve your own computing power needs, and you don't fall victim to a malicious hacker...

...of the sort who is only out for themselves, and doesn't understand the value of cooperation, namely, that others serve you!

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
make sure that you end up with everything, and no one else ends up with anything!

Sounds Randian to me...

Quote:
When I read her books I thought (and, slap me for being such a sexist!) This woman needs to get laid . All of her books read like long and extremely tedious romance novels, where sexual frustration is sublimated as political motivation. That's a few hours of my live I'll never get back!

Right on!

What I always wondered is, if she and her ilk did create this "perfect society", who would wash the dishes and take out the trash? Or did they plan to import slave labor along with their elites? Probably they did...so much for freedom being crushed by democracy; Rand would have abolished freedom for EVERYONE but her chosen few rich bastards...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:58 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Curiously, google seems to have lost its moral way when it became a business, with an IPO and everything. Funny how that happens...

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:39 PM

Oh yes, I have a longstanding Feud with Juno, over that, actually - anyone here remember their original motto ?

"Email was meant to be free!"

And then they started with ads, annoying, but tolerable, and although context sensitivity was in its infancy, usually relevant, sure.

And then more ads and more and more (cause as always it goes beyond overhead finance and into makin a buck) to the point where the service became almost unusable, and then... malware, although like most banner ad shovers, they deny any responsibility, uh huh, riiight.

And then screaming a fit and threatening users - how DARE you actually USE the product we offered you!
(This has become so common I've begun to harrass and sabotage *ANY* company that takes this attitude, and encourage 4chan, Anon, Goonswarm and the like to do so as well.)

And finally, pay up, or else!

So much for "Email was meant to be free!" - as a charter member, I wrote the company founder personally and verbally tore his goddamn head off for that.

As I pointed out, once a company outstrips the monkeysphere of it's command staff, this is INEVITABLE, it's like The One Ring, never a question of if, always a question of when.

Of course, my solution isn't necessarily regulation, cause that's all too easy to buy off, if not eventually make into a weapon to protect your monopoly, like american car makers and safety standards, etc etc.

My solution is, once again, to quit crushing empathy out of our youth and allow evolution and natural human instinct to increase the monkeysphere untill eventually a point comes when all humans are included in it, if not all people(1).

-Frem
(1) There's humans I don't consider people, and animals who I might - it's all in whether your conduct is worth of the description.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:42 PM

Oh, and FYI, Atlas Shrugged bombed financially, just as any real-world project based on Objectivism does, and average reviews for it are 20% or less.

Of course, we all know the petty little pricks will throw a tantrum and blame everyone but themselves, but that's in keeping with Objectivism as well.

And if yer gettin the feeling I don't care for the ideology, you'd be right.

-F

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, April 26, 2011 5:54 PM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/04/atlas-shrugged-producer
-critics-you-won-hes-going-on-strike.html?cid=6a00d8341c630a53ef015431f7fc1f970c

Producer says he's unlikely to make Parts 2 & 3 now, after pouring 18 years and more than $20,000,000 of his own money into this dog. But hey, it's made nearly $3,000,000 back. As a capitalist, I'd say the producer isn't very good at it. I'm sure he'll be looking for a bailout... ;)

So it appears that the answer to the question "Who is John Galt?" is, "Who cares?"

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Curiously, google seems to have lost its moral way when it became a business, with an IPO and everything. Funny how that happens...

They really should change their slogan. "Okay, be a little bit evil. Or a lot. Whatever."

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ayn Rand seems to think that the producers (those that lead and develop a product that helps mankind, while also giving jobs, wages etc) are

actually

good.

Wow. What an idea.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

She also considered those who DO the actual work - the back-breaking labor for low wages that makes your beloved "producers" so rich - to be "parasites" and "leeches".

That's where she loses me.

There is no such thing as a "self-made man", Wulfie. I know you like to jerk off to your fantasy of having done it all yourself, but you didn't, and you couldn't.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:47 AM