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"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him. This system is totally in the control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by them."
-Usama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine, September 28, 2001
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm

Usama Bin Laden's funeral: Egyptian Paper Al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html

"He also had dealings with Omar Sheikh [MI6 born in Britain], the man who murdered Usama Bin Laden."
-Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto (assassinated 6 weeks later), BBC interview by Sir David Frost Knight of the British Empire, 2nd November 2007
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/151951
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/28/pakistan.topstories33

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"The Israeli Defense Force is a 500-pound gorilla in Israel. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission. Very unlikely to fire on American forces [except for USS Liberty then blamed Egypt]. Fratricide a concern especially in air space management. MOSSAD: Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
-Jedi Knights, SAMS US Army School of Advanced Military Studies, Rowan Scarborough, Washington Times, "U.S. troops would enforce peace under Army study," 10 September 2001
http://www.public-action.com/911/sams.html
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/911timeline/2001/washingtontimes091
001.html
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=uss+liberty
http://www.gtr5.com

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST. Google Operation Northwoods and USS Liberty
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."
-FBI BOLO ("Be On Lookout"), 11 September 2001, 3:31 p.m., according to Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
http://columbus.indymedia.org/node/13067

The first terrorist bombers arrested in USA on 9/11/2001 were Israeli Mossad says Fox News. There were over 500 of them, infiltrating US military bases and all police agencies. They were dressed as Muslims, "dancing in happiness" while watching and videotaping the World Trade Center explode. Despite FBI finding residue of explosives in their van, none of the Israelis were tortured to confess at Gitmo, and all were allowed to leave USA by Israeli US DOJ prosecutor Michael Chertoff who was then promoted to director US Dept of Homeland Security.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html
www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20065.htm
http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/employer_
of_the_dancing_israelis.htm

14 Israeli "art students" were living in World Trade Center Towers with forged Construction Passes, connection to Mossad spy ring infiltrating every US military base and police agency in USA, arrested and deported from USA after 9/11/2001:
http://www.rense.com/general87/14_1.htm

"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to Jonathan Pollard (convicted traitor and spy in USA) upon exiting Pollard's jail cell

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"I didn't shoot nobody, no Sir! I'm just a patsy!"
-Lee Oswald, US Naval Intelligence, murdered the next day by a Kosher Nostra stripclub mobster inside the Dallas Police station, same police station JFK was shot to death in front of

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Originally posted by kaneman:
The crowds building outside the White House are heart warming, even though they are mostly liberal cocksuckers from Goergetown. I do have to admit that I am thrilled that Obama pulled the trigger. I don't think this will bring our troops home, but it has got us chanting USA USA USA...and it isn't the olympics.

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA killed USAMA USAMA USAMA

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QUESTION: "But Osama bin Laden is the one that — you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11..."
DANA PERINO: "No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now."
-Video: White House press conference

"During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. I later told the interrogators that their methods were stupid and counterproductive. I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time and led to several false red-alerts being placed in the U.S."
-Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the alleged mastermind of 9.11), interview by Red Cross at US military torture death camp at Guantanamo Bay in Communist Cuba, ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen 'High Value Detainees' in CIA Custody, February 2007
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/05/during-my-interrogation-
i-gave-lot-of.html

"The 2005 memo also says that the C.I.A. used waterboarding 183 times in March 2003 against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
—Scott Shane, New York Times, Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects, April 19, 2009
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/04/183-waterboards-per-prisoner
-for-false.html

Journalist Loses Bet He Can Endure 15 Seconds of Waterboarding
http://www.infowars.com/journalist-loses-bet-he-can-endure-15-seconds-
of-waterboarding/

MSNBC: "You can't guarantee the outcome. For example, in civilian court, a defense lawyer could easily bring a motion at the beginning of the case and say 'there has been outrageous government conduct here, this guy was waterboarded 183 times,' and you can't stop a federal judge just throwing this case out! Are you prepared for that contingency?
Robert Gibbs, Obama White House spokesdrone: "I think that the murder of 3,000 people on American soil will garner the death penalty. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will meet his maker and be executed."
MSNBC: "Do you worry that somehow you have kangaroo-courted up the justice system?"
MSNBC: "How do you hold up the American justice system as the model of fairness and impatiality who you and the president have guaranteed the outcome?"
Gibbs: "Here's what I believe the outcome is going to be. He's admitted that he did all this. Upon that conviction the likelyhood that a death penalty will be brought for the murder of 3,000 people."

"You wanna know what I think?" Clinton said. "You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."
-Bill Clinton-Blythe III (bastard Rockefeller impeached for lying to Congress and perjury which is the felony of obstruction of justice), Hillary Clinton's losing presidential campaign in New Hampshire (Bill Clinton-Blythe's presidential campaign #3), NBC, Bill To Paul's Supporters: You're Nuts, January 8, 2008
http://infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_bill_clinton_to_supporters_yo
ure_nuts.htm

Disgraced 9/11 Inside Job ‘hero’: Kosher NYPD Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik sentenced to 4 years in prison
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/nyregion/19kerik.html

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
-George W Bush, Nashville, Tennessee, Sept 17, 2002

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
-George W Bush, Gridiron Dinner, March 2001

"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

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The crowds building outside the White House are heart warming, even though they are mostly liberal cocksuckers from Goergetown. I do have to admit that I am thrilled that Obama pulled the trigger. I don't think this will bring our troops home, but it has got us chanting USA USA USA...and it isn't the olympics.

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA killed USAMA USAMA USAMA

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I hear ya. Be nice if it would bring some troops home (like around 150,000 of them or more), but it likely won't.

I'm not one to celebrate the death of anyone, but I think I'm willing to make an exception in Bin Laden's case.

Now Obama just has to get Khadhafi in less than nine years...

Oh, and he has to NOT use this as an excuse to increase our presence and activity in Pakistan.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Red Alert: Government Had Osama bin Laden Frozen for Years

CNN and the corporate media report this evening that purported CIA asset Osama bin Laden has been killed by the U.S. military in a mansion outside the Pakistani capital of Islamabad along with other family members.

In an address to the nation, Obama said he ordered the strike that allegedly killed Osama. The remainder of his speech followed the standard war on terror propaganda script.

A small team of Americans killed bin Laden in a firefight at a compound in Pakistan, the president said in a dramatic late-night statement at the White House, the Associated Press reported following Obama’s address.

“The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done,” said former president Bush. In 2006, Bush admitted that capturing Osama was not a top priority.

Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure soon after the September 11, 2001, attacks. In 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had kidney disease, and that he had required a dialysis machine when he lived in Afghanistan. That same year, the FBI’s top counterterrorism official, Dale Watson, said, “I personally think he is probably not with us anymore.”

A Taliban leader told the Pakistan Observer on December 21, 2002, that Bin Laden was suffering from a serious lung complication and died in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief, according to Fox News.

Alex Jones was told live on the radio in 2002 by high-level Council on Foreign Relations members that Osama Bin Laden had died of kidney failure in early 2002.

“I have it from high level [sources] from inside the Bush administration…that bin Laden died of natural causes and that his family has given the body to the CIA, that they’re gonna roll him out right before the election, that he’s on ice right now. They will claim they killed him right before the election,” Alex said at the time.

“Jones gave a caution that the intelligence could be disinformation but claimed that his base in Austin was extremely close to the Bush administration and similar information received in the past had been credible,” Paul Joseph Watson wrote in August of 2002.

During the 2004 election, CNN reported that Democratic insiders had been told that George W. Bush was going to use the Bin Laden body as an ace-in-the-hole if he thought he was in danger of losing the 2004 election. This confirmed the evidence that Jones had been given by the CFR and others.

In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.

Benazir Bhutto, who was killed in a suicide attack at the end of 2007, stated that Osama bin Laden had been killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a man convicted of kidnapping and killing journalist Daniel Pearl.

Obama’s announcement follows the release of a highly suspicious birth certificate last week. Both events represent psychological operations that possibly portend more significant events in the days ahead as the U.S. dollar continues to lose its reserve status, the economy fails to recover as promised, and wars expand in Libya, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

Obama’s propaganda stunt arrives as the Democrats kick off their leader’s presidential reelection bid against a number of Republicans contenders who have been highly critical of not only his perceived handling of the economy, but also his management of the manufactured war on terror.

footnote links:
http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-froze
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Report: Bin Laden Already Dead

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."

The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."

Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.

When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2c2933%2c41576%2c00.html

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France: In Search of Bin Laden's Urologist

1 Nov 2001

Osama Bin Laden may be in less danger from smart bombs than from kidney stones, according to a report in the French daily Le Figaro. In a report picked up throughout Europe the Paris paper and Radio France International claimed the Saudi terrorist checked himself into Dubai's American Hospital in July, where he spent 10 days undergoing urgent treatment to his ailing renal system. "Intelligence sources believe that bin Laden bought a dialysis machine earlier this year which he had shipped to Kandahar," says the Times about the Le Figaro report. "His problem now will be operating such equipment and the risk of infection if, as seems likely, he is hiding out in Afghan mountains."

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,182523,00.html

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CIA fakes Bin Laden photo using photo of Spanish politician

Although the former CIA asset known as Tim Osman a.k.a Osama bin laden has been dead since December 2001, the FBI want us to believe that he's still alive, and have created an "aged progressed" image of Osama wherein he has been morphed to look like Spanish politician, Gasper Llamazares. The Feds hope to show what bin Laden might look like now ... if he were still alive.

Even if bin Laden was not long deceased, and even if the FBI's digitally-manipulated image is to be taken as a true indication of how Osama looks in January 2010, one would have to believe that Osama has aged quite dramatically since his last video appearance back in September 2007. I think the image below offers a much more accurate visual description of how bin Laden looks today.

The FBI has created this morphed image of Osama bin Laden and Gaspar Llamazares to try and convince us that bin Laden is alive and well rather than dead and buried. If the Feds can convince enough people that bin Laden is alive, Osama can then be the patsy for the next 'terrorist' attack on US soil just as he was the patsy for the last attack. Although Osama bin Laden is one of the FBI's ten most wanted fugitives, there is, however, no information on the FBI's website to indicate that he is wanted in connection with the 9-11 attacks on New York and Washington. I wonder why that might be.

I suspect that the next 'terrorist' attack on the United States will be blamed on Iran. I'm not alone in this belief. Just as the September 11 attacks were a 'false-flag' operation carried-out by Israel, so too will the next attack. The main beneficiary of the 9-11 attacks was the state of Israel, and it will again be Israel that benefits most from any 'false-flag' attack by 'Al-Qaeda' that can later be pinned on Iran.

Should a grey-haired bin Laden begin appearing in fake videos, said by highly-dubious people with Pentagon and Mossad connections to have been found on an "Al-Qaeda-related website", we'll know for sure that another 9-11 and war with Iran are imminent.

http://fugaziquo.blogspot.com/2010/01/osama-gaspar-laden-fbi-are-havin
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
In keeping with Muslim tradition for burial...

So, was he or wasn't he? Why bother showing him the respect fit for true believers if he wasn't ...

And this DNA match... How'd we get a sample in the 1st place? And how long does it take to actually DO a test? Plenty of labs in that part of Pakistan?

Guess Gitmo & water boarding really do work, after all.

Huh.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Jewish terrorist Emanuel Goldstein is dead...again

Media Runs Fake Photo To Illustrate Bin Laden Death Propaganda

Killing Osama bin Laden is a pretty big deal. You’d think that it would be in the interests of US forces to take a snapshot of the elusive terror leader to milk the propaganda value of such a momentous turn of events, and yet the corporate media has given us nothing but a years old fake picture. This makes little sense, unless of course, somebody is trying to hide something, namely the fact that Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for the best part of a decade.

According to some reports, Bin Laden’s body has already been hastily “buried at sea,” meaning that the comic book story of his dramatic killing is based solely on the less than credible word of the U.S. government.

Of course, it’s probable that we’ll be treated to seeing all the gory details in due course once Osama’s corpse has been properly thawed and suitably presented for public consumption.

But the fake photo, which is still being used by the likes of the Daily Mail and the London Telegraph even after it was proven to be a contrived hoax that has been circulating on the Internet for years, fits perfectly with everything surrounding the Bin Laden myth – the fake video tapes, the fake audio tapes, the fake claim of responsibility for 9/11.

Everything about the Bin Laden myth that has been rapaciously whipped up by the establishment over the last 10 years has been fake, so why worry about putting out a fake photo and claiming it represents the freshly dead remains of the world’s most wanted?

We don’t need MSNC to tell us, “We think that bin Laden ‘death photo’ is a fake,” because we know it’s a fake. It’s been knocking around on the web since before Obama even took office. Here it is featured in a story released over a year ago. As Stokes Young illustrates, the bloodied face of Bin Laden is an obviously contrived composite image created from an image of Osama that dates back over 10 years.

But that didn’t stop TV news stations across the Middle East, as well as major newspapers in Britain like the Daily Mail and the London Telegraph, amongst a host of others, from passing the fraud off as evidence of Bin Laden’s death.

Despite the fact that Bin Laden’s corpse has almost undoubtedly been safely stored in a highly secure U.S. government morgue since at least 2002, the political grist to be enjoyed by an administration that has plummeted to the depths of unpopularity knows no bounds, which is why Obama victoriously proclaimed Osama’s “death ” during a speech last night almost as if the president himself had pulled the trigger.

The birther controversy and NATO’s indiscriminate murder of children in their pursuit of Colonel Gaddafi will now be swept under the rug and Obama can build his campaign for 2012 on the lie that he was the president who finally brought the evil boogeyman to justice.

Never mind the fact that numerous public officials went on the record to plainly state that Bin Laden has been dead for years and that the announcement of his demise was being kept back until the most politically expedient time.

As Kurt Nimmo and Alex Jones document, from FBI counterterrorism official Dale Watson, to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, to Pakistani icon Benazir Bhutto, to CFR members, to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, all voiced publicly what the evidence clearly indicated, which is that Bin Laden died in late 2001.

The fact that a deluge of provably fake video and audio tapes were released by an organization with direct ties to the Pentagon in the years that followed illustrated how the military-industrial complex was keen to prolong the Bin Laden boogeyman myth as a backdrop against which to launch their takeover of the middle east under the umbrella of the “war on terror”.

But don’t think for a minute that final “confirmation” of Osama’s death will mean an end to the “war on terror” and U.S. troops pulling out of Afghanistan, just as the capture of Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to speed a U.S. exit out of Iraq.

If anything, the announcement of Osama’s death will only lead to more warfare and bloodshed in the region. Whether genuine or contrived, terrorist retaliation plots are already in the works and when they are unleashed, the establishment will point to them as a justification for more air strikes, more invasions and more regime change plots disguised as humanitarian aid.

In life, Bin Laden’s propaganda value as an Emmanuel Goldstein hate figure was immense, but in death his usefulness to the US military-industrial complex will, for a time at least, only increase.

http://www.infowars.com/media-runs-fake-photo-to-illustrate-bin-laden-
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_Progress]Pilgrims Progess

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This is the great dragon of chapter 12, Satan or Azazel. He has a number of names, but in each case, he is the king of all the demons, Lucifer, who became Satan."
-Revelation 9:11, Christian Bible, KJV with Forerunner Commentary


US presidents worshipping The Great Satan at Bohemian Grove USA

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In keeping with Muslim tradition for burial...

So, was he or wasn't he? Why bother showing him the respect fit for true believers if he wasn't ...

And this DNA match... How'd we get a sample in the 1st place? And how long does it take to actually DO a test? Plenty of labs in that part of Pakistan?

Guess Gitmo & water boarding really do work, after all.

Huh.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Is that how we got him, then? Water-boarding some fellow at gitmo?

Huh.

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I do have to admit that I am thrilled that Obama pulled the trigger. I don't think this will bring our troops home, but it has got us chanting USA USA USA...and it isn't the olympics.

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OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA killed USAMA USAMA USAMA

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Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake, Image of bloodied man picked up by British newspapers has been circulating online for two years

The image is based on a genuine photograph of Bin Laden taken in 1998 and used by the Reuters news agency.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
In keeping with Muslim tradition for burial...

So, was he or wasn't he? Why bother showing him the respect fit for true believers if he wasn't ...

And this DNA match... How'd we get a sample in the 1st place? And how long does it take to actually DO a test? Plenty of labs in that part of Pakistan?

Guess Gitmo & water boarding really do work, after all.

Huh.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hello,

Is that how we got him, then? Water-boarding some fellow at gitmo?

Huh.

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Hey Quicko, who's Gracie? you've mentioned her twice in regard to people having unrealistic opinions.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Don't thank god, thank the Navy Seals, who took the sob down.

Job well done.

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Osama has had more than 1 hide out. Anyone who thinks different is truly living in fantasy land. He wasn't residing there, full time, since 9/11. The general consensus is that he's only been there the last 5 years. The Pakistani govt has been oblivious to that fact?( yeah, right )

When your alleged allies are actively covering up for the guy you're trying to track down, while taking the BILLIONS of $ sent to them to fight his organization, it's going to make the job of finding him all the more difficult.

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Osama has had more than 1 hide out. Anyone who thinks different is truly living in fantasy land. He wasn't residing there, full time, since 9/11. The general consensus is that he's only been there the last 5 years. The Pakistani govt has been oblivious to that fact?( yeah, right )

When your alleged allies are actively covering up for the guy you're trying to track down, while taking the BILLIONS of $ sent to them to fight his organization, it's going to make the job of finding him all the more difficult.

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Osama also changed his routines and hideouts after KSM was taken. Anyone who thinks differently is stone-stupid. KSM was captured in 2003. Nothing he did or said led anyone to Bin Laden's hideout last night. To say or even imply otherwise is to give in to that base stupidity.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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What ever happened to putting a head on a pike? How did that go out of style?

I'm just saying you put the head on a pike, put the pike in a museum, charge admission, sell replica pike heads (traditional, stuffed, and bobble versions), throw in a concession stand and soon no more deficit. Imagine all the jobs that would be created or saved in the process.

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Remember remember
11 September
that Thomas Percy forgot.
He lost his head
and now he's dead
in Gunpowder treason Plot.
His offspring begot
Barbara Pierce is not hot,
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There is ample reason to feel relief that Osama bin Laden is no longer a threat to the world, and I say that not just because I was among the many congressional staffers told to flee the U.S. Capitol on 9/11. I say that because he was clearly an evil person who celebrated violence against all whom he deemed "enemies" -- and the world needs less of such zealotry, not more.

However, somber relief was not the dominant emotion presented to America when bin Laden’s death was announced. Instead, the Washington press corps -- helped by a wild-eyed throng outside the White House -- insisted that unbridled euphoria is the appropriate response. And in this we see bin Laden’s more enduring victory -- a victory that will unfortunately last far beyond his passing.

For decades, we have held in contempt those who actively celebrate death. When we’ve seen video footage of foreigners cheering terrorist attacks against America, we have ignored their insistence that they are celebrating merely because we have occupied their nations and killed their people. Instead, we have been rightly disgusted -- not only because they are lauding the death of our innocents, but because, more fundamentally, they are celebrating death itself. That latter part had been anathema to a nation built on the presumption that life is an "unalienable right."

But in the years since 9/11, we have begun vaguely mimicking those we say we despise, sometimes celebrating bloodshed against those we see as Bad Guys just as vigorously as our enemies celebrate bloodshed against innocent Americans they (wrongly) deem as Bad Guys. Indeed, an America that once carefully refrained from flaunting gruesome pictures of our victims for fear of engaging in ugly death euphoria now ogles pictures of Uday and Qusay’s corpses, rejoices over images of Saddam Hussein’s hanging and throws a party at news that bin Laden was shot in the head.

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This is bin Laden’s lamentable victory: He has changed America’s psyche from one that saw violence as a regrettable-if-sometimes-necessary act into one that finds orgasmic euphoria in news of bloodshed. In other words, he’s helped drag us down into his sick nihilism by making us like too many other bellicose societies in history -- the ones that aggressively cheer on killing, as long as it is the Bad Guy that is being killed.

Again, this isn’t in any way to equate Americans who cheer on bin Laden’s death with, say, those who cheered after 9/11. Bin Laden was a mass murderer who had punishment coming to him, while the 9/11 victims were innocent civilians whose deaths are an unspeakable tragedy. Likewise, this isn’t to say that we should feel nothing at bin Laden’s neutralization, or that the announcement last night isn't cause for any positive feeling at all -- it most certainly is.

But it is to say that our reaction to the news last night should be the kind often exhibited by victims’ families at a perpetrator’s lethal injection -- a reaction typically marked by both muted relief but also by sadness over the fact that the perpetrators’ innocent victims are gone forever, the fact that the perpetrator's death cannot change the past, and the fact that our world continues to produce such monstrous perpetrators in the first place.

When we lose the sadness part -- when all we do is happily scream "USA! USA! USA!” at news of yet more killing in a now unending back-and-forth war -- it’s a sign we may be inadvertently letting the monsters win.

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When my husband was killed on the morning of 9/11, television stations around the world ran split-screen video. They showed the buildings still burning juxtaposed against young Arabs celebrating in the streets. That disturbing vision left me incredulous; it was forever emblazoned on my psyche.

Ten years later, now fully awake in the bright sunlight of the day, when I contemplate the definition of victory for our country when it comes to the death of Osama bin Laden, I can only think about the damage that has been done.

I think about the thousands of lives lost -- American, Afghani, Iraqi. I know firsthand the sorrow those families have felt. I ponder how the billions -- maybe trillions -- of dollars could have been better spent. I remain alarmed about the continued expansion of absolute Executive power in the name of fighting this seemingly ongoing and never-ending "war on terror." I worry about the further erosion of our constitutional rights. I wonder when our troops will ever be called home. I know all too well, that thousands of young American men and women soldiers will never have the opportunity to return home. And of course, I fear reprisal.

But more than anything, I cannot seem to remove the optics of the giddy, gleeful throngs of Americans who took to the streets celebrating in the early morning hours.

Forgive me, but I don't want to watch uncorked champagne spill onto hallowed ground where thousands were murdered in cold blood.

And I don't want to see any ugly blood stained sheets as proof of death or justice.

Nor do I want to think about bullet-ridden corpses being dumped into the sea.

And it breaks my heart to witness young Americans cheer any death -- even the death of a horrible, evil, murderous person -- like it is some raucous tailgate party on a college campus.

Why are we not somber?

Where is the deeper, more meaningful reflection?

Haven't we learned any lessons in ten years? Paid any attention along the way? Gained any valuable wisdom? Are we really better off?

Can it ever be a true victory when so many don't even seem to comprehend the magnitude of what has been lost along the way? Or even what the future might hold?

Was it all worth it?

As my phone rings and the media looks toward me to give them their trite, warm soundbite of closure and elation, I have to be honest, today is not a day of celebration for me.

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