Language may evolve but this is going too far by Magonsdaughter

Beir bua agus beannacht

I don't think Grrl should count for anything, I don't play scrabble but that word doesn't have any vowels in it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, May 9, 2011 3:58 AM

DREAMTROVE

Bananagrams
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, May 9, 2011 4:01 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

It was not so many years ago that I failed to find the word 'Realtor' in the official scrabble dictionary. I'm surprised at this slang.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, May 9, 2011 7:45 AM

STORYMARK

Hmm. Way better things to get outraged over.

And hey, that's what house rules are for.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 9, 2011 8:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Many years ago, I used the word "quim". When asked to explain what it meant I hemmed and hawed and said it was an old-fashioned word for a current vulgar word beginning with the letter "C". In our lunchtime Scrabble bunch, we had challenge rules, but nobody dared challenge me bc I looked too darn confident! Good thing, too, because the word was not in any of the dictionaries at-hand. Not on the internet either.

I was finally validated by an episode of Firefly, when Captain Mal used the word- which, btw can now be found on the inet. (But prolly not in the new Scrabble dictionary)

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Monday, May 9, 2011 11:08 AM

Quim is a lovely word. I wish it would come back into common usuage.

Story, I'm not really outraged. Should have put some emoticons after that word. But in this complex, difficult often cruel world, sometimes I'd prefer to think about scrabble.

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Monday, May 9, 2011 2:56 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

When does Mal say quim? I'm curious because I don't remember this.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, May 9, 2011 4:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

It's just a fookin' game, innit?

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Monday, May 9, 2011 7:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
It's just a fookin' game, innit?

LOL>

Actually, it's taken very seriously in part of my family. Clearly not by me, because I have trouble spelling as you may have noticed, but I have observed the deadly serious nature of a seemingly innocent game of scrabble.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:14 AM

I think any article by something called "The Scotsman" probably doesn't have much grounds to complain about abuse of the English language.

Compare.

Scottish English: "We twa hae run about the braes, and pu’d the gowans fine."

Jabberwocky (nonsense verse poem by Lewis Carrol):
"'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe."

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:24 AM

Riona: Mal never said it, but the word is in Firefly. The corrupt fed in The Message called the post guy that when he was making his threats.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:42 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I think any article by something called "The Scotsman" probably doesn't have much grounds to complain about abuse of the English language.

Compare.

Scottish English: "We twa hae run about the braes, and pu’d the gowans fine."

Jabberwocky (nonsense verse poem by Lewis Carrol):
"'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe."

Hello,

The interesting thing about the Jabberwocky and its contemporaries is that the poet was able to invent words that meant nothing, but which seemed to mean something, and in some cases you could discern the idea of what they meant because they sounded right for a particular idea.

"The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head he went galumphing back."

We do not necessarily need to know the words vorpal, snicker-snack, or galumphing in order to create a mental image of the scene. I like that.

So maybe the inclusion of invented slang in language isn't so bad, because all words are invented at some point. If they are in use, they are part of the language.

I still lament the absence of Realtor in that scrabble dictionary. It cost a challenge!

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:40 AM

Oh, I like the Jabberwock. It's just some forms of English are in fact incomprehensible.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I think any article by something called "The Scotsman" probably doesn't have much grounds to complain about abuse of the English language.

Compare.

Scottish English: "We twa hae run about the braes, and pu’d the gowans fine."

Oh lordy, you are leaving yourself wide open there, Byte, since the Scots you have quoted above is an older form of Englisg than standard modern English and would, by many Scottish people at least, consider it to be the more legitimate form of English. So you might prefer to consider that English is an abuse of Scots. :)

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:00 AM

Heh, true enough.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I think any article by something called "The Scotsman" probably doesn't have much grounds to complain about abuse of the English language.

Compare.

Scottish English: "We twa hae run about the braes, and pu’d the gowans fine."

Jabberwocky (nonsense verse poem by Lewis Carrol):
"'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe."

Hello,

The interesting thing about the Jabberwocky and its contemporaries is that the poet was able to invent words that meant nothing, but which seemed to mean something, and in some cases you could discern the idea of what they meant because they sounded right for a particular idea.

"The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head he went galumphing back."

We do not necessarily need to know the words vorpal, snicker-snack, or galumphing in order to create a mental image of the scene. I like that.

So maybe the inclusion of invented slang in language isn't so bad, because all words are invented at some point. If they are in use, they are part of the language.

I still lament the absence of Realtor in that scrabble dictionary. It cost a challenge!

--Anthony

Carroll introduced a number of words into the English language, including portmanteau - combining two words to create a new one, chortled - a strange sort of laugh, and my favourite, galumphing - as in 'take your boots off and stop galumphing around the room'.

Shakespeare allegedly intriduced 1700 new words into English, including

# accommodation
# aerial
# amazement
# apostrophe
# assassination
# auspicious
# baseless
# bloody
# bump
# castigate
# changeful
# clangor
# control (noun)
# countless
# courtship
# critic
# critical
# dexterously
# dishearten
# dislocate
# dwindle
# eventful
# exposure
# fitful
# frugal
# generous
# gloomy
# gnarled
# hurry
# impartial
# inauspicious
# indistinguishable
# invulnerable
# lapse
# laughable
# lonely
# majestic
# misplaced
# monumental
# multitudinous
# obscene
# palmy
# perusal
# pious
# premeditated
# radiance
# reliance
# road
# sanctimonious
# seamy
# sportive
# submerge
# suspicious

kind of contradicts my original point, innit

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:21 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

What is quim, exactly? I didn't catch the hint dropped earlier when the word was first brought up.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:54 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
What is quim, exactly? I didn't catch the hint dropped earlier when the word was first brought up.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

Hello,

A quim is a vagina in my personal usage.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:10 PM