Religious paper cuts Clinton from iconic photo by SignyM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

But it's not an Islamic paper that did it. It's a Hasidic one

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Faith has outweighed fact

- uh... is this new?-

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at Der Tzitung, a Hasidic newspaper based in Brooklyn, New York. The ultra-Orthodox Jewish publication ran a doctored copy of the iconic “Situation Room Photo” last Friday – you know, the one taken of President Barack Obama and his national security team during the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound. Scrubbed from the picture: the two women in the room.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/09/religious-paper-cuts-clinton-
from-iconic-photo/?hpt=T2

ALL faiths outweigh facts. If you could prove something - or at least have consistent evidence for something- you wouldn't need "faith". All you would need to do is point and say "See? There it is". Faith only comes into play when you want to keep something in your mental model that has no evidence.

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Monday, May 9, 2011 8:36 AM

The question I have to ask is why, and my only answer is that they decided that a photograph of unrelated men and women together in a room was pornographic. Therefore, they would not run it without doctoring.

I can't say I fully understand what point you're getting at; are you saying that they doctored the photograph to enforce a message of female inferiority? Objectifying women and forcing responsibility for sexuality including rape on them as dogma? What element of faith and what models are you specifically talking about?

If we want to talk faith, everyone would be going to hell for looking at printed pictures, drawings, paintings, and so on. Worse yet for the people who MADE them. And if you're a fan of Firefly, forget about it, you just made the magic sky hermit jealous.

I could comment on the weirdness of censoring women in the photographs while not censoring the photographs entirely, but I won't, because I just don't care about religion that much.

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Monday, May 9, 2011 10:05 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

No particular point. I just find it an odd thing to do, propelled by "faith".

I guess I find all faiths equivalently untenable. Some faiths are more familiar than others and therefore more socially acceptable, but once a culture steps beyond the realm of the provable then it could be subject to all kinds of mental mischief and intentional manipulation/ subjugation, with no way "out", because "faith" is blocking the door. That's all.

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Monday, May 9, 2011 10:35 AM

So subjugation is your meaning, and women trapped by their faith. Or maybe a more metaphorical trapping, not limited to any one group, but narrow-mindedness?

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Monday, May 9, 2011 10:42 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

More metaphorical

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Monday, May 9, 2011 11:11 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

I read about this, and it really pissed me off. One of the conditions of that photo being released was that it would not be altered in anyway, so lets hope they get into a bucketload of trouble over it.

Religious extremists tend to have a certain similar flavour about them.

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Monday, May 9, 2011 11:17 AM

I doubt anything will happen for them altering it - there are already plenty of variation floating around (I have one with The Doctor watching in). But the reasoning behind it is so backward, I just can't fathom it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 9, 2011 2:52 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

That doesn't make sense, I mean, she was there, why cut her out? Whether they want women of their community to be the secretary of state is irrelevent, Clinton was there and that is that, so it seems silly, immature and unnecessary to me. Is it clear that it was deliberate? Were there other pictures taken that she didn't appear in and they just used those ones?

Silliness to cut her out.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, May 9, 2011 4:20 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Wonder how they covered the assassination of Benazir Bhutto - or in their version, is she still alive and happily cooking dinner for her husband?

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:06 AM

America loves a winner!

The photo was staged , so what does it really matter?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:28 AM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
That doesn't make sense, I mean, she was there, why cut her out? Whether they want women of their community to be the secretary of state is irrelevent, Clinton was there and that is that, so it seems silly, immature and unnecessary to me. Is it clear that it was deliberate? Were there other pictures taken that she didn't appear in and they just used those ones?

Silliness to cut her out.

It probably has nothing to do with not wanting their women to be secretary of state. Probably. Some of this patriarchal culture stuff does start to veer towards out and out support of oppressing of women.

Like I said before, this is probably more of a different culture thing, some cultures are more strict about modesty than the mainstream secular American/ Christian community. Women in print is considered immodest and pornographic by some groups, even if they're completely dressed.

Yes, they deliberately took her out.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:31 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

The iconic photo has been manipulated by Slate magazine in their "Cats of War" parody. Nobody apologized to dog lovers or the President.

Cats of War
www.slate.com/id/2293232/slideshow/2293228/entry/2293222/fs/0//
A high-level CATS adviser, whose name was not released by the Pentagon, monitors the Abbottabad raid from the Situation Room.

Photo illustration by Holly Allen, photograph by Pete Souza.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:05 AM

America loves a winner!

Why is Obama sitting in the corner, shoulders slouched, like a scolded child ? Seriously.. why isn't he in the big boy chair ? Or standing up...

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:09 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Maybe he is a team player rather than the kingly type. Do you really think it is appropriate for your presidents to be sitting on big gold thrones with their minions at their feet?

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:14 AM

America loves a winner!

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Maybe he is a team player rather than the kingly type. Do you really think it is appropriate for your presidents to be sitting on big gold thrones with their minions at their feet?

He's the Commander OF Chief, or so he claims.

He should at least act like he's kinda sorta in charge, do ya think ? Seriously, look at the guy... he looks sullen and dejected... not attentive or engaged, even a little.

But who knows. Maybe he was tired from all the phony pics they took, he was taking a break. Essentially this is his 'blinking' pic, where he simply wasn't " on ", as he was in the others.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:18 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

You know I kind of had the opposite reaction. I was struck by his posture and positioning in this photo, but saw it as something positive. I liked that he didn't look kingly, as I sometimes think your Presidents kind of aim for that appearance. I'm more of a flat power structure, egalitarian type meslef, so probably why it appeals.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:27 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

This is a ridiculous and offensive edit. I can't even comprehend what they might be trying to achieve here.

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not attentive or engaged

He's leaning forward and looking quite focused on what I presume to be a screen while a general of some sort works on a laptop in a big chair. Is it your implication that he should be in a big chair working on a laptop instead of observing the proceedings? It seems that the commander in chief should be looking at the whole instead of tinkering with details, so he can bring something to the attention of those under his command. Is that not the point of a commander?

Facts are stubborn things.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:04 PM

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He should at least act like he's kinda sorta in charge, do ya think ? Seriously, look at the guy... he looks sullen and dejected... not attentive or engaged, even a little.

Even basic knowledge of body language would rule that out. But it's you, so of course that's what you'd say. Your derangement is showing.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You know I kind of had the opposite reaction. I was struck by his posture and positioning in this photo, but saw it as something positive. I liked that he didn't look kingly, as I sometimes think your Presidents kind of aim for that appearance. I'm more of a flat power structure, egalitarian type meslef, so probably why it appeals.

And I notice that he's got one of the military brass sitting in "the big chair", presumably running a military op, and the President knows enough to stay out of the way after giving them the "Go!" order. He doesn't look "inattentive" - he looks engaged, watching something quite intently. Notice he didn't even shave. Probably long and arduous day.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:02 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

I agree with Megans and Kwicko's assessment. He looks like a man who's made a difficult decision and has got the weight of the world on his shoulders, ya know, kinda like he does. No one here thinks he's perfect (I hope) but I rather like those moments like this when he's not just a tool for the democratic party.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:07 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

He should at least act like he's kinda sorta in charge, do ya think ? Seriously, look at the guy... he looks sullen and dejected... not attentive or engaged, even a little.

Even basic knowledge of body language would rule that out. But it's you, so of course that's what you'd say. Your derangement is showing.

No, YOUR derangement is showing.

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He doesn't look "inattentive" - he looks engaged, watching something quite intently. Notice he didn't even shave. Probably long and arduous day.

Oh, for sure. Those golf balls don't hit themselves.....

Obama Golfs for the Fifth Weekend in a Row
by KEITH KOFFLER on MAY 1, 2011, 11:21 AM
Updated May 2, 2:44 am ET

UPDATE: The raid to kill Osama Bin Laden may have cut short President Obama’s Sunday golf.

The president left the White House to play golf at 9:42 am, arriving at the Andrews Air Force Base course about 25 minutes later, according to the press pool report. He then ended his game after nine holes at 1:39 pm and made it back to the White House at 2:04 pm, about two hours before the attack on Bin Laden appears to have occurred.

According to a report in the Wall Street Journal, the attack on Bin Laden’s compound north of Islamabad seems to have happened at about 1:10 am local time, which would be 4:10 pm Washington time.

The pool reporter noted that it was a little chilly and rainy, but this would not normally have prevented Obama from playing through. Obama would certainly have been alerted, however, that the attack was about to get underway.

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p://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/05/01/obama-golfs-weekend-row/

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:03 AM

Was John Boehner golfing with him? I know Dubya wasn't, since he "gave up" golf for the duration of the war.

Except he didn't, of course. And his golf outings never bothered you a bit. Go figure.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:53 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Women tourists who visit Israel are surprised to find out that jews routinely spin on them.

Women are not allowed to use public transportation. And that's the jewish women.

They're lucky if that's all they do to them. Sometimes thye just beat up women, for the religious crime of being women in public.

Israel also bans Christians from citizenship or owning real estate. Being a Christian in public is a felony, such as giving an apple to a neighbor for dinner.

Sharia Law requiring bank loans without payment of interest. Kosher (Babylonian) Talmudic law requires pedoophile rabbis to suck the penis of little jew babies during circumcison ritual, even in USA.

This is why Jesus Christ and the Christians split from Babylonian Judaism, and why the jews then killed Jesus and all of the Christians who failed to run fast enough.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:20 AM

America loves a winner!

W played one 10th the amount of golf in office as Obama, & we still have boots on the ground. All across the Mid East.

Give up, you've lost the moral high ground on this one... Because you never had it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The photo was staged , so what does it really matter?

Rappy, if this has been an Islamic paper, particularly one in the USA, you'd have been in a complete froth about it.

Not that you would ever, but you should take this opportunity to observe your own reactions and maybe develop some insight about yourself. Maybe you might even edge towards more realistic thinking.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:56 AM

America loves a winner!

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The photo was staged , so what does it really matter?
Rappy, if this has been an Islamic paper, particularly one in the USA, you'd have been in a complete froth about it.

Not that you would ever, but you should take this opportunity to observe your own reactions and maybe develop some insight about yourself. Maybe you might even edge towards more realistic thinking.

Sig,

Nothing you said makes even a little bit of sense.

You're being lied to by this administration, they ADMIT they're lying, & you don't even care.

Go seek your own damn insight, first.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:07 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

My post was about the paper's religious bent and about how religion in general makes people crazy. So thanks for responding to the topic. /snark.

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You're being lied to by this administration, they ADMIT they're lying, & you don't even care.

But to address YOUR comment, I'm going to pull a Rappy:

Prove it. Prove to me that this administration is lying. I dare you. I double-dog dare you!

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:46 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

But of course, you can't. Figures.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:47 AM

America loves a winner!

It's my opinion that its self-evident that religion is crazy. I guess we agree , & I felt no need to comment on that at all.

This admin released the photo, under false pretense, and then came back to say it wasn't what we all SEE what it looks like. Hillary isn't "gasping " in shock @ a live feed of Osama being hunted down & killed... she's "sneezing "?

100% phony, and you're perfectly fine with this? Really ?

What if this had been Bush... I already know THAT spin.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:18 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh, wait... the admin is "lying" because they said Hillary is sneezing?

Is that your story?

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:21 AM

America loves a winner!

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Oh, wait... the admin is "lying" because they said Hillary is sneezing?

Is that your story?

Are you pretending to be this stupid ?

You've just made my point.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:27 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

No, I'm just trying to figure out what YOU think "the" lie is. I've heard so many things about this event and photo: That Osama was dead eight years ago, that this photo was staged (the laptops aren't on), that Hillary was gasping, or sneezing... so if you could clarify for me what YOU think "the" lie is, I'd appreciate it.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:34 AM

America loves a winner!

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No, I'm just trying to figure out what YOU think "the" lie is. I've heard so many things about this event and photo: That Osama was dead eight years ago, that this photo was staged (the laptops aren't on), that Hillary was gasping, or sneezing... so if you could clarify for me what YOU think "the" lie is, I'd appreciate it.

Easy. I'll just copy what I posted a few replies above, and let you re-read it.

This admin released the photo, under false pretense, and then came back to say it wasn't what we all SEE what it looks like. Hillary isn't "gasping " in shock @ a live feed of Osama being hunted down & killed... she's "sneezing "?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

After reading down through this, the only thing I wonder is "WHY does anyone respond to Raptor?" He came in for no reason other than to diss Obama, has nothing to say about the issue, and typically does nothing but snark. He's just a waste of time, period.

What I've heard is that they routinely cut out any female in any photo, because even seeing a female might be "sexual suggestive". Pretty stupid, but hey, religious fanatics usually are. They also cut out another woman who was in the photo, but of course all the media talks about is Clinton being erased...

Again, I find Raptor's predictable snark at where Obama is, why he isn't what he should be, how Raptor sees him in a negative light...his veil is pretty solidly in place and he does nothing but make stupid cracks, so why even bother responding?

By the way, Clinton said of the photo that she didn't remember the exact moment, and could have been stifling a yawn or something. For whatever it's worth.

Colbert did a funny on it:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/385700/may-09-2
011/hasidic-newspaper-removes-hillary-clinton

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:07 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

1) What is the "false pretense"? And is it (whatever it is) part of "the" lie to which you allude? If so, please clarify what that "false pretense" is. If not, please delete it from your contention that the Obama admin is "lying", because that's not part of your argument.

(As an aside, isn't "false pretense" redundant? Does being a "false" pretense mean being real, kind of like a double negative?) .

2) And do you have proof that Hillary was NOT sneezing? Other than your say-so, where is your proof?

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:09 AM

America loves a winner!

" btw, Clinton said.... "

Now THAT is precious! ( The WH offered the specific photo to try to convey a tightly orchestrated message. That how these things work, with ANY WH )

This photo was taken, released with the approved blessing of the WH press office. Why then did they have to quickly backtrack? You know exactly why, but your blind partisanship & false pride simply won't allow it.

At LEAST be honest with the one in the mirror, if no one else .

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:12 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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You know exactly why, but your blind partisanship & false pride simply won't allow it.

Actually, I don't. I'm not sure what you're referring to; I've heard a lot of things but maybe it's something I haven't even heard about. But you seem to know, so please enlighten me.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:20 AM

I think false pretense might be a legal language thing, legal language doesn't always seem to obey the normal rules of English. False premise is another possibility.

Hillary doesn't look like she's yawning, sneezing, or gasping to me. I've known people who would pass their hands over their mouths when they were concentrating on something.

Also, it's a photograph. I don't have any opinion one way or another if it was staged or not.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:24 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, I have to get to work. But it seems like you're having a hard time clarifying "the" lie you want to peg Obama with. It's as if you're certain they're lying, but you can't figure out which one!

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:24 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
They also cut out another woman who was in the photo, but of course all the media talks about is Clinton being erased...

Actually, the article linked does say that they erased the two women who were in the room. Clinton just is the most prominent of the two women, both in the photo and the minds of the public.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:41 AM

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W played one 10th the amount of golf in office as Obama, & we still have boots on the ground.

And you can of course back that. Right?

And of course you're skipping right past how Bush promised he would stop - and didn't. Obama made no such promise.

But it's Rappy-land. Where everything Bush did is Holy, and everything Obama does is pure evil. Fantasyland for the neocon moron set.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:45 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

He should at least act like he's kinda sorta in charge, do ya think ? Seriously, look at the guy... he looks sullen and dejected... not attentive or engaged, even a little.

Even basic knowledge of body language would rule that out. But it's you, so of course that's what you'd say. Your derangement is showing.

No, YOUR derangement is showing.

Oh, brilliant comeback.

Well reasoned, and supported.

Why do you neocon dipshits think "No, YOU are" is an intelligent response??

Presented with basic evidence, all you have is "Golf! Golf!" with nary a thought to address the actual topic at hand.

You are such a child.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:10 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" btw, Clinton said.... "

Now THAT is precious! ( The WH offered the specific photo to try to convey a tightly orchestrated message. That how these things work, with ANY WH )

What do you mean "that how these things work"? Were you trying to say "That IS how these things work"?

ROFLOLOLOLOL!

Classic!

So you're unwilling to take Clinton at her word, but you were - and ARE, still - completely willing to take Bushie at his word when he claimed he gave up golf "for the troops". And then you were conclusively shown to be a fool, and Bushie was conclusively shown - again - to be a liar. Yet you still believe him, no matter what he says, and no matter what facts get in your way.

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This photo was taken, released with the approved blessing of the WH press office. Why then did they have to quickly backtrack? You know exactly why, but your blind partisanship & false pride simply won't allow it.

What was the "backtrack"? Please, if you could, transcribe for us all exactly what the caption was on the photo released by the White House.

By the way, want to retract that idiotic lie you made earlier, when you claimed that Obama has played TEN TIMES more rounds of golf than Bush?

At least be honest with yourself; we know you can't be honest with anyone else.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Uh, to clarify, it was Hillary Clinton herself who said what I mentioned; I watched her do so. It’s such a tiny point it’s not worth mentioning, but Raptor seems to be saying it was a WH press release or something. It wasn’t, it was Clinton speaking on camera. I have no idea what is meant by "backtracking", as I haven't heard or read anything to that effect.

Lili, what I was saying is that the several stations I caught it on didn’t mention anyone but Clinton. I didn’t read any article on it. Oh, and Colbert didn’t mention the other woman, either, but it’s pretty obvious that was beside the point for his comedy purposes.

Yeah, Story; I think Bush saying he would quit out of “respect”, then going right on playing, says a lot more than which one of them played more golf. One is an insight into someone’s personality (and honesty), the other reflects a choice of activities, nothing more. To make a comparison, one would have to take into account ALL their various forms of off-work recreation, including clearing brush in Texas...

But the golf thing has been a steady refrain of Raptor's...he brings it up pretty regularly, as if it means something. I guess he just doesn't have much to offer in defense of Bush, so he keeps going back to that one.
Other than those points, I’m not bothering with Raptor...the rest of his crap isn’t worth reading, much less responding to. His constant “No, YOU are” about covers it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:30 AM

Meanwhile, Rappy has never uttered a discouraging word about John Boehner's golf habits, which really dwarf Obama's (or pretty much anybody else's in government!).

Rappy's partisanship won't let him diss Boehner, of course. Nor Bush. Ever.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:37 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, I have to get to work. But it seems like you're having a hard time clarifying "the" lie you want to peg Obama with. It's as if you're certain they're lying, but you can't figure out which one!

No, the 'lie' is as plain as day. I'm not going to waste my time w/ folks who are pretending to be this dense, simply because they have nothing else better to do.

You're 100% fine w/ this WH lying, and I get that. I'm just a bit surprised that you're such a complete and total sell out for this crowd.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:46 PM

America loves a winner!

Last time I'll say this, but it's a moot point anyways...

The WH released this photo under the false pretense,trying to sell this image to the public for something it was not.

It really is self evident, which is why they released the photo in the first place. It staged and completely misrepresented what was actually occurring in that room as the photo was taken.

Why was it released ? For sheer shock value. Why did Hillary claim she was 'sneezing/yawning/coughing' ? As a cover story, after their ruse was blown.

You idiots are complete and total dupes for buying this staged nonsense. You're 100% duped by the puppet theatre, you're laughing at your own idiocy, and don't even know it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:05 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The WH released this photo under the false pretense,trying to sell this image to the public for something it was not.

It really is self evident, which is why they released the photo in the first place. It staged and completely misrepresented what was actually occurring in that room as the photo was taken.

So you're saying that "the" lie is that the photo was staged. Right?

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:46 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, I have to get to work. But it seems like you're having a hard time clarifying "the" lie you want to peg Obama with. It's as if you're certain they're lying, but you can't figure out which one!

No, the 'lie' is as plain as day. I'm not going to waste my time w/ folks who are pretending to be this dense, simply because they have nothing else better to do.

So what is "the lie"? You keep saying it's plain as day, but you refuse to name it. Could it be that you don't know what you're talking about? Wouldn't be the first time, of course. Or are you just "pretending" to be this dense?

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You're 100% fine w/ this WH lying, and I get that. I'm just a bit surprised that you're such a complete and total sell out for this crowd.

Can you show me where I've said they AREN'T lying? Care to show me where I've said I'm "100%" *anything* with any White House lying? You were fine with the Bush White House lying - a LOT; in fact you still are fine with it. You have no moral ground to stand on when it comes to lying. Hell, you've been called on your own bullshit often enough. You even admitted to lying about your made-up Teddy Roosevelt quote, so you're a proven, admitted liar.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:50 PM