Just sayin'... by Niki2

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Just sayin'...

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Monday, May 30, 2011 12:04 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It occurred to me as I was falling asleep the other night, as a giggle ONLY mind you. Katrina (and before that, Andrew), the Gulf Oil Spill, the floods, the tornadoes...if they all happened on the two coasts, I'll betcha there'd be an evangelical minister out there somewhere saying it was God's punishment for all the liberals in those places, or all the gays, or somesuch.

So should we be saying all that stuff the Midwest has suffered might have been God's punishment for Bush, and/or what the right has been doing for the past few years? You know, the hate mongering, anti-Muslim, anti-gay, anti-poor measures and speech, the class warfare, etc.? D'ya think?

(I'm just teasing, but I'll betcha, if it had happened in liberal areas...)

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Monday, May 30, 2011 5:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

That's some pretty effed up stuff right there.

Of course, there are NO gays in New Orleans, or poor people, for that matter.

Yeah.. N'awlins is queer free, by god.

And we're all waiting for that quake to hit Orlando. Should happen, any day now....

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, May 30, 2011 5:34 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

I think it is more a matter of timing than location. Once upon a time evangelical types spread a message of hope and forgiveness. Now many folk have decided to give that label to the hatemongering doomsayers, which only empowers them further.

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Monday, May 30, 2011 5:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Actually, when I look at the US drought monitor... and Texas specifically... I can't help thinking ...
'God must really hate Texas!' Sorry Kwicko, but ya gotta choose another state!

www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html

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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:26 AM

BYTEMITE

Well, we're having the frikkin mythical deluge in Utah right now, so's not like I can argue it or anything. Part of me suspects it's more because I live here than because of the beliefs of anyone around me though.

(Yes, in Utah, 5.33 inches of rainfall in a month is a deluge)

Looks like New Mexico is having an even rougher time drought-wise, though even coming from Utah it's hard to imagine New Mexico can get LESS rainfall than usual.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 3:28 AM

HARDWARE

Yep, Joplin, Missouri, smack dab on the coast.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 3:41 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
(Yes, in Utah, 5.33 inches of rainfall in a month is a deluge)

Pfft, that's nothing. Colorado got 500 inches of snow in certain areas the last few months. The mountains are just buried. And here along the front range, it's rained the last five out of seven days. You can't even start to comprehend how freakish this is for a place that usually averages 12-20 inches of precipitation in an entire year. That said, I wouldn't call it biblical or anything, at least until all that snow melts off and floods the canyons.

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 3:58 AM

BYTEMITE

We share a weather system. Utah had a record snowpack this year, and still has 400% of it's normal snowpack compared to the March average. And it's June.

We had maybe two days where it didn't rain in the entire month of May, because of a lingering storm pattern and a weird jet stream. The highs have been in the fifties down in the valley, meaning it's been 30s still up high. The mountain snow hasn't been melting well, it's still over 160 inches at Alta. And we're drier than Colorado. You want a flood watch, we've got it.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 9:24 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/be-on-the-lookout-for-a-f
unnel-cloud/

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 10:42 AM

BYTEMITE

Nah. If you need a Roman Holiday, just pick up a celebrity rag, or go to a Monster Truck Derby, or watch Nascar or something.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 5:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Tornadoes in Massachusetts. Is that normal? Is that God, being mad because they have an ungodly difficult name to spell? Or is that global climate change?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachusetts-rocked-multiple-tornadoes-inclu
ding-city-springfield-possibly/story?id=13737522

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 5:24 PM

HARDWARE

Massachusetts get a couple every year. Not a real big problem. However, one of them did hit my hometown. Fortunately all of my family is safe. Sadly, a few people lost their lives. Hard to be glad that it was only a few.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 5:30 PM

BYTEMITE

Maybe. The theory does predict increased storm activity in some locations.

On the other hand, I could blame the jet stream, which has been lingering over Utah for the last month, and the odd storm patterns coming from there seem to have caused the outbreaks in the south, midwest, and possibly the northeast even past the Appalachians.

The weather has been oddly unsettled the last six months across the northern hemisphere.

The third option is that tornadoes can sometimes occur in places where they aren't normally expected. I've heard tell of tornadoes in England.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 5:32 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nah. If you need a Roman Holiday, just pick up a celebrity rag, or go to a Monster Truck Derby, or watch Nascar or something.

My little half brother (8 year old) said he didn't want to watch the racecars when NASCAR was on tv Sunday. I asked "You think racecars are boring?"

He replied "It's not formula 1."

I was so proud

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Wednesday, June 1, 2011 10:18 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Well here it's been raining prettymuch nonstop since I got sick, several streets have been flooded but our dept of public works has been on top of it for the most part - on the plus side it's kept the creepers away while I was out of service, but this place looks like a swamp right about now.

-F

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 1:45 AM

HARDWARE

Long periods of rain suck if you own dogs. No more wall to wall carpet for me.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 2:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Massachusetts get a couple every year. Not a real big problem. However, one of them did hit my hometown. Fortunately all of my family is safe. Sadly, a few people lost their lives. Hard to be glad that it was only a few.

Thank Wulfie for praying for just such a thing to happen. He wishes it had been millions killed.

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 2:10 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nah. If you need a Roman Holiday, just pick up a celebrity rag, or go to a Monster Truck Derby, or watch Nascar or something.

My little half brother (8 year old) said he didn't want to watch the racecars when NASCAR was on tv Sunday. I asked "You think racecars are boring?"

He replied "It's not formula 1."

I was so proud

I don't even know him, and I'm proud of him! :)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 2:40 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
My little half brother (8 year old) said he didn't want to watch the racecars when NASCAR was on tv Sunday. I asked "You think racecars are boring?"

He replied "It's not formula 1."

I was so proud

I enjoy road racing, and participated on an amateur level for a few years, but I've never been able to get too excited over F1. Seems like the racing version of soccer to me, with a lot of running around, a couple of minutes of excitement, and half the cars out with mechanical problems at the end. Stuff like Touring cars or ALS seems more interesting to me.

Also, I've driven on the banking at Lowes, and gained a lot of respect for the NASCAR guys running with several times the horsepower of my CRX.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 7:52 AM

JAMERON4EVA

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's some pretty effed up stuff right there.

Of course, there are NO gays in New Orleans, or poor people, for that matter.

Yeah.. N'awlins is queer free, by god.

And we're all waiting for that quake to hit Orlando. Should happen, any day now....

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Rappy, don't F*#@ with O-Town, i know few females here stronger Then men, but are more feminine than Actresses, i got a crush on one. Trust me, O-Town is perfect, The only reason Ya'll dont like Orlando is cuz we haven't had any natural disasters....oh wait, WTF DO YOU THINK THE 04 HURRICANES WERE! The only reason that New Orleans was devistated the way it was, is because the Mayor, and Governer were too supid to listen to the people that KNOW bout things like this, people like Jeb BUSH, Then president Geroge W. BUSH, and others. Maybe it's not God's fault things are escilated....maybe it's the fault of people in those area's, hmmmmmm?

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 8:32 AM

BYTEMITE

Well, that, and the Army Corp of Engineers embezzled money out of the levee construction. Though I hesitate to say George W Bush knows anything... His advisers, maybe.

But, I'm pretty sure Kwicko was not intending to wish harm on Orlando. It reads like a simple statement to me.

Huh. Florida does have earthquakes. Whoda thought. I figured there'd be some from the caribbean plate, but I didn't realize that there'd be some on the mainland. I guess there's a collision zone? Crazy. You learn something new every day.

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 10:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
Long periods of rain suck if you own dogs. No more wall to wall carpet for me.

Ahhh, Hardware, I DO empathize! Try a pair of huskies, one of whom loves to dig in mud, and a dog door!

It’s been weird here, too. We’re still getting rain (!!!), which is virtually unheard of, thundershowers even, yesterday, today and forecast from Friday thru Monday. We already had a wetter-than-usual Winter and Spring, but this is just amazing. I mean, for Kriste sake, it’s JUNE already!!

Quote:
He wishes it had been millions killed.

That’s really stupid, Mike; he was saying it was hard to be glad it was only a few, when even one is bad, weren’t you Wulf? (Your prejudice is showing, Mike).

Quote:
That's some pretty effed up stuff right there.

Ahhh, Raptor, predictable as always. I said clearly I was teasing; my point was, if these had happened in liberal places, like the Coasts, it would be unsurprising if some evangelical crazy would say it was the wrath of god for their immoral behavior or somesuch.

Want a few examples?

Quote:
My interpretation of this is that while God did not want people to perish, He is going to use this to "pierce" the darkness surrounding the Japanese people if we will cry out to God for them in the midst of this crisis ..."
So the god [that preacher] Cindy Jacobs worships sends tsunamis and earthquakes killing thousands of people because they have a different religion. Of course there are Christians and Jews and Muslims in Japan, and I feel pretty sure some of them were among the victims, but to Cindy Jacob's god they must just be "collateral damage".

http://dungeondiary.blogspot.com/2011/03/cindy-jacobs-blames-disaster-
on-god.html

Quote:
US evangelical preacher Pat Robertson levied blame Wednesday for the devastating earthquake in Haiti on Haitians themselves, saying that the country "swore a pact to the devil" at its creation

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/world/01/14/10/pat-robertson-blames-devil-p
act-haiti-quake

Quote:
Following in the very noble footsteps of Pat Roberston, Jerry Falwell, and their ilk, a Houston minister has declared the latest oil spill crisis was the fault of…abortions! Preacher Joseph Herrin has announced that the Spirit of Christ revealed to him a parable in the BP Oil Spill: that Planned Parenthood, and abortion-rights advocates were largely responsible

http://feministlookingglass.com/2010/06/11/houston-preacher-says-abort
ion-to-blame-for-oil-spill/

Quote:
An American preacher and self-appointed prophet has blamed the repeal of the 'Don’t Ask, Don't Tell' ban on gays in the military for causing the recent earthquake and tsunami in Japan. In January, Cindy Jacobs, from the Texas-based Generals International ministry, said that a spate of unusual bird deaths in Arkansas was caused by "opening up our military to open homosexuality".

http://www.mambaonline.com/article.asp?artid=5501

Any of those “lefties”, y’think? Maybe we can just blame ultra-religious types for using disasters to further their own crap (or get attention), but the fact remains that ultra-religious types are frequently given to blaming those who suffer from disasters FOR the disasters. Point being that it’s asinine, that there are non-gays, Christians and many more who suffer in these situations, so blaming the entire area or its inhabitants is about as un-Christian as you can GET!

On which point, Trader, you’re right, and isn’t it sad? I wonder what happened to change it?

Wow, Byte, I for one DO know how dry Utah is (for the most part). We’re accustomed to about 47 inches normally, and we’re way over that. Our seven reservoirs/lakes (from which we get almost all our own water) have been over capacity since December 29th—unheard of. And Rose, we had a bigger-than-normal snowpack this year, too---we were at 128% of normal way back in March!. Weird, given if anything, it’s a La Nina year, which should be dryer. I fear for flooding, come “real” Spring. Sending good thoughts.

And yeah, Sig, I’ve been hearing about the Mass. tornadoes. We’ve had a couple in No. Ca. the past few years, which was pretty much unheard of before.

You don’t think the weather patterns are changing or anything, do ‘ya? I wonder what could cause that??

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 10:43 AM

BYTEMITE

Technically Wulf said that BEFORE the storm hit Massachusetts and we had the results.

._. We've already lost some kids in the flooding. Though so far I haven't seen flooding in the streets around here. Apparently that's more up by Ogden.

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 11:36 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Well.

Thanks, Byte.

To be fair, I was not really hoping for pain and hurt on the people of NY... God knows they suffer enough under the liberal leadership they've had.

Just sort of... being cute... like Niki was about the rest of the country.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 11:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Wulf, here's a clue for you: You're not cute. You don't even get it; I wasn't writing about "the rest of the country". Mine was a SNARK; yours was a nasty statement. Predictably.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 11:43 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

lol

Sure Niki,

whatever you say.

But mine was just snarky TOO.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

"It occurred to me as I was falling asleep the other night, as a giggle ONLY mind you. Katrina (and before that, Andrew), the Gulf Oil Spill, the floods, the tornadoes...if they all happened on the two coasts, I'll betcha there'd be an evangelical minister out there somewhere saying it was God's punishment for all the liberals in those places, or all the gays, or somesuch.

So should we be saying all that stuff the Midwest has suffered might have been God's punishment for Bush, and/or what the right has been doing for the past few years? You know, the hate mongering, anti-Muslim, anti-gay, anti-poor measures and speech, the class warfare, etc.? D'ya think?

(I'm just teasing, but I'll betcha, if it had happened in liberal areas...)"

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 11:43 AM

BYTEMITE

Point.

In regards to Niki's post, I'm generally confused by both the types of people who would declare any natural disaster the wrath of God and the recipients deserving, as well as the people who believe that God spared them (and therefore didn't spare the others). Both have rather unfortunate implications.

I'd rather not encourage such people with speculation on other disasters.

Though now your bringing up the storm warning for the northeast makes some sense in the context of the original subject, Wulf. I think I didn't understand your meaning.

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 12:22 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Why you quoted me is beyond me, kiddo, as it means nothing. Strange as it may seem to you, people CAN read for themselves, y'know?

Good point, Byte. I don't figure I'm encouraging anyone; first off, they don't need encouragement, second, ain't no preacher gonna imagine what I snarked, given it's "God's country" it's been happening to, so they wouldn't dream of thinking God was behind it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 12:25 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Damn...I still can't edit posts. What gives?

It occurred to me you might have quoted me to show I was talking about "the rest of the country" or something. The places the disasters have been happening are NOT everywhere but the Coasts, little man, they are the Midwest and the South. I think those from places other than that and the Coasts might take offense to you considering those areas the whole country, don't you?

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, June 2, 2011 2:08 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Hey Happy, I didn't know you had a little brother too, my little brother is nine, growing up so fast, I wish I could slow it down a little, not stop it, just slow it down a tiny bit. Brothers who are still little are lots of fun.

I tend to never claim something is God's punishment, because how would I know if it were? Crap happens to everyone, some parts of the country are physically more vulnerable than others, but eventually everyone gets hit with something, life happens. I'm not saying this to be callous, I'm saying it to say that I don't think any place is immune, some are more prone to certain disasters due to location, but terrible things can happen to one and all. Our weather patterns have definitely changed in the last few years, where I camp used to open at the end of April or beginning of May, now it doesn't open until Memorial Weekend, it may have even been delayed one more week this year, not sure, haven't heard.

I do think that now and again throughout history God has used weather and natural events to intervene in things, but it isn't my place to say when those times have been, all I can do is speculate. Plus that's just really lacking class to say it aloud to people you don't know, even if you think it might be true secretly.

But yeah, not my place and not something I like to think on much.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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