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Sunday, June 5, 2011 11:37 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:...he who warned, uh, the...the British that they weren’t gonna be takin' away our arms...uh, by ringin' those bells and um...makin' sure as he's ridin' his horse through town..to send those warning shots and bells..that, uh, we were gonna be secure and..and we were gonna be free..and we were gonna be armed.
Quote:You know what? I didn’t mess up about Paul Revere. Here’s what Paul Revere did. He warned the Americans that “the British were coming, the British were coming.” And they were going to try to take our arms so got to make sure that, uh, we were protecting ourselves and, uhm, shoring up all of our ammunitions and our firearms so that they couldn’t take them. But remember that the British had already been there — many soldiers — for seven years in that area. And part of Paul Revere’s ride… And it wasn’t just one ride. He was a courier. He was a messenger. Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there that, “Hey. You’re not going to succeed. You’re not going to take American arms. You are not gonna beat our own well-armed, uh, persons, uh, individual private militia that we have. He did warn the British. And in a shout-out, gotcha type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly. And I know my American history.
Sunday, June 5, 2011 11:57 AM
OLDENGLANDDRY
Sunday, June 5, 2011 12:57 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Sunday, June 5, 2011 2:50 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Both ladies ought to stay away from using American history as part of their politics. They just don't have even the bare basics down yet. Pretty embarraskin' I'd have to say.
Sunday, June 5, 2011 3:13 PM
Monday, June 6, 2011 1:14 PM
Monday, June 6, 2011 1:24 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, June 6, 2011 1:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: She's right, of course.
Monday, June 6, 2011 4:12 PM
Quote: ...he who warned, uh, the...the British that they weren’t gonna be takin' away our arms...uh, by ringin' those bells and um...makin' sure as he's ridin' his horse through town..to send those warning shots and bells..that, uh, we were gonna be secure and..and we were gonna be free..and we were gonna be armed.
Quote: But remember that the British had already been there — many soldiers — for seven years in that area. And part of Paul Revere’s ride… And it wasn’t just one ride. He was a courier. He was a messenger. Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there that, “Hey. You’re not going to succeed. You’re not going to take American arms. You are not gonna beat our own well-armed, uh, persons, uh, individual private militia that we have. He did warn the British.
Monday, June 6, 2011 4:18 PM
Monday, June 6, 2011 4:20 PM
Quote:This is a hell of a get by Charles Johnson. Starting on Sunday, as Sarah Palin kept explaining that her version of the Paul Revere "Midnight Ride" was historically accurate, Palin fans emerged on Wikipedia to "fix" the Revere biography. Palin's taking heat for saying Revere "warned the British"? No problem: Just add the line in italics.Quote:Revere did not shout the phrase later attributed to him ("The British are coming!"), largely because the mission depended on secrecy and the countryside was filled with British army patrols; also, most colonial residents at the time considered themselves British as they were all legally British subjects. That revision is deleted with the explanation "content not backed by a reliable sources (it was sarah palin interview videos)." The people who keep cleaning this up are getting sort of bored now. - I would strongly suggest locking this page until the Palin controversy blows over and her supporters lose interest in trying to rewrite the page to conform with her erroneous version of Revere's ride. - Wiki rules apply to Palin fans the same as anyone else; they are free to add material to the page as long as it is reliably sourced. IIRC, it does look like Palin's supporters have a published source that partially agrees with her version of events, although the concept of relating Revere's ride to gun control or 2nd Amendment rights is nonsense. However in her defense, I think Palin herself was using that as a metaphor - not a literal interpretation of this event. In any case, Palin doesn't claim to be a professional historian so her words don't belong on this page. - If you mention Sarah Palin you're doing it wrong. This article is about Paul Revere, a historical figure who died nearly two centuries before Sarah Palin came to prominence. She has absolutely nothing to do with the article. I would expect to see contemporary sources and theories proposed by modern historians, but Sarah Palin is neither here nor there. - Sarah Palin is intent on destroying wikipedia, isn't she? First we had huge wars over the blood libel article, now this. But Obama's supporters do not support claim that there are 57 states! Amazing! The original video, from Channel 7, really makes it look like Palin got a historical question she wasn't expecting, and then flubbed it. The way she grits her teeth on the phrase "riding HIS HORSE THROUGH TOWN!" is agonizing, for all involved. And look, if someone asked me, on the spot, to explain exactly what happened during Paul Revere's ride, I'd struggle a bit to access my elementary school memory banks. The twist, with Palin, is that she has a bona fide army of supporters who will sic themselves on anyone and anything that threatens to damage her image.
Quote:Revere did not shout the phrase later attributed to him ("The British are coming!"), largely because the mission depended on secrecy and the countryside was filled with British army patrols; also, most colonial residents at the time considered themselves British as they were all legally British subjects.
Monday, June 6, 2011 4:21 PM
Monday, June 6, 2011 4:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yeah, Mike, I'm beginning to think it's a matter of not only believing what those he looks to say, but not being able to think for himself at ALL, which is so pitiful to contemplate, I'm going to stop contemplating it.
Monday, June 6, 2011 5:41 PM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Monday, June 6, 2011 5:56 PM
Monday, June 6, 2011 6:42 PM
Tuesday, June 7, 2011 12:55 AM
Tuesday, June 7, 2011 12:41 PM
Tuesday, June 7, 2011 12:57 PM
Tuesday, June 7, 2011 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Boy, are YOU lost. Can't keep your threads straight, eh boy?
Tuesday, June 7, 2011 1:31 PM
Quote:Sarah Palin said that Paul Revere warned the British during his midnight ride in 1775. Historians beg to differ. "He didn't warn the British," said James Giblin, author of "The Many Rides of Paul Revere." "That's her most obvious blooper." ... So according to multiple accounts, it would be inaccurate to say that Revere warned the British and rang bells on his way to Lexington. Still, questions remain, like the logic circulated on Twitter -- by everyone from Palin advocates to Steve Martin (jokingly) -- that the "he was warning the British" explanation makes sense "because all the citizens WERE British. There was no America yet." What about that? "Well that's sort of bogus to me," McConville said. "That's not how someone should read or discuss the situation." Giblin offered a simpler answer. "Oh," he said, "that's just a fudge."
Quote:NEW YORK, June 6 (UPI) -- American historians say they dispute Sarah Palin's Paul Revere ride interpretation, agreeing the patriot was not warning the British.
Quote:With bells ringing and guns blazing, Sarah Palin galloped all over the story of Paul Revere's midnight ride last week. But she's not the first person to flub the factual details of this stirring moment in American history. In comments last week, Palin told supporters in Massachusetts that Revere's ride, replete with warning shots and bells, was partly to let British soldiers know that a locked and loaded American revolution was on the way. Historians say her argument is not well-armed: Secrecy and stealth were crucial to Revere's ride, in order to warn revolutionary leaders Samuel Adams and John Hancock that the Redcoats were coming to arrest them.
Tuesday, June 7, 2011 8:54 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:46 AM
Wednesday, June 8, 2011 6:57 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Wednesday, June 8, 2011 7:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Ok. Sarah Palin was not wrong in the "spirit" of Paul Reveres ride. She could have phrased it better, tho. "He was warning of the British advance. And in doing so, made it clear-as-a-bell, that we were armed and ready to fight." Might have been a better statement.
Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:22 AM
Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:36 AM
STORYMARK
Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:39 AM
Friday, June 10, 2011 6:54 AM
Quote:But it is also dangerous when people "cherry pick" pieces of the story to suit their purposes, when the foot is cut to fit the shoe. A sanitized but incomplete, or worse, wildly inaccurate, version of history can be cited to support just about any political stand. Like scripture, the words and deeds of the Founders, mixed with bits and pieces of American mythology, are trumpeted to support positions on every issue from individual rights, states' rights, gun rights or gun control, to taxes, immigration, public prayer and, most dangerously, taking the nation to war. When American history is gutted, innocently, ignorantly or deliberately, the outcome can be deadly. If we are told that there is no separation of church and state in the First Amendment, that the Founders worked tirelessly to end slavery or that the Revolution was all about taxes on tea, we are hearing half-truths or outright fabrications. Our extraordinary history deserves better. The truth shall set you free.
Friday, June 10, 2011 7:07 AM
Friday, June 10, 2011 5:44 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, June 10, 2011 5:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Well, a quick search brought only that Obama said our "national motto" was "e pluribus unum" when it's actually OFFICIALLY "in God we trust". A big deal was made of it, including a letter from Congress to Obama chiding him. Also that he left "the Creator" out of quoting the Declaration. That last one counts as "omission for political reasons", I grant you.
Quote: But that's the only two I came across, and those aren't fabrication of history, just a mistake and a misquote--and how many of us knew what our "official", "legal" national motto was?
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