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Thursday, June 9, 2011 10:28 AM

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http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/06/ndm1-us-military/

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By Maryn McKenna June 9, 2011
File under: Really not good news.

Deep in the back of the weekly bulletin of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there is a note that NDM-1, the “Indian supergene,” has been isolated from a patient in a U.S. military field hospital in Bagram, Afghanistan.

It’s been a few months since NDM-1 was in the news, so let’s recap. The acronym (for “New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase 1″) indicates an enzyme that allows common gut bacteria to denature almost all the drugs that can be used against them, leaving two or three that are inefficient or toxic. It was first identified in a resident of Sweden, of Indian origin, who had returned to India for a visit, was hospitalized there, went back to Sweden, and was hospitalized again.


In 2009, the United Kingdom’s public-health agency sent out an alert saying the same resistance mechanism was increasing rapidly there, going from unknown in 2007 to 18 instances in the first half of 2009, most of them in people who had gone to India for medical care or had frequent family travel back and forth. In June 2010, the CDC flagged NDM-1’s first U.S. appearance, in three patients in three different states, again with ties to South Asia. And then things started to get very interesting and worrisome, with warnings from the WHO, reports of wide distribution in the U.K. and South Asia, and several pieces of evidence suggesting that bacteria producing this enzyme were not only a health care phenomenon, but were circulating outside of hospitals and might be spread via drinking water and sewage.

For simplicity, keep these facts in mind: Bacteria bearing NDM-1 appear to circulate in South Asia in an untracked manner, appear to spread in health care settings by contaminated surfaces and the hands of health care workers, easily share their resistance DNA with other bacteria, and render common infections almost untreatable. (For more, here’s my archive of NDM-1 posts.)

Now, today’s news: The CDC reports that the field hospital in Bagram took in as a referral a burn patient from Kabul, an Afghan national who had been scorched in a natural-gas explosion. The person had already been treated in a Kabul hospital and arrived at Bagram five days after the injury. At Bagram, the patient (gender and age not specified) was admitted to the ICU and was found to have septicemia caused by a gut bacterium, Providencia stuartii, that was carrying NDM-1. This particular variety — the NDM-1s have varied slightly in their resistance patterns — was susceptible to only a single drug, aztreonam. It was completely resistant to the carbapenems, the drugs of last resort for serious hospital infections.

The patient, unsurprisingly, died. The isolate retrieved from the patient was the first sighting on record of NDM-1 in a military hospital.

I need you to think, for a minute, about what military field hospitals treat these days: severe injury from improvised explosive devices, traumatic amputations, major head wounds. Military trauma medicine is excellent — but battlefield injuries are inherently life-threatening, messy, complex to repair and slow to heal, and military trauma victims often undergo multiple transfers from field hospitals to major medical centers in Europe and the U.S. and then on to rehab hospitals.

Now toss into that mix a highly contagious, hyper-resistant hospital-associated organism.

You don’t even have to imagine what comes next, because we already know: Multidrug-resistant Acinetobacter baumanii has been spreading through the military hospital system for almost a decade, with grave consequences for injured military personnel.

Acintobacter slipped by the military medical system before they noticed, and became established in military hospitals before infection-control efforts were prepared to counter it. It’s an urgent question whether the military system, with today’s warning, will be able to gear up for NDM-1’s arrival in order to keep a second, likely worse epidemic at bay.



I'm going right past red alert and straight to brown alert.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 10:45 AM

DREAMTROVE


Bagram. Need I say more?


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 11:28 AM

BYTEMITE


Ugh, hospitals. I try to stay away from those death traps.

EDIT: thought this was the new strain of E-coli, not sure anymore.

>_> At the risk of sounding like a fringe nut (like?) someone should get on finding out if this new gene was lab produced lickety-split.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 11:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Indeed, why you think I was so hell bent on getting back to my lair that I made em cut me loose despite being barely coherent whatever ?

Handy for emergency treatment (although I prefer my local clinic for most scratch-n-dent) but not really a safe or effective recovery environment, no.

ESPECIALLY when they tell you to get some sleep and then keep waking you up every forty-five-fuckin-minutes to check your vitals...
(which is worse than being headbumped by attention seeking cats every hour or so, cause I am used to that!)

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 12:30 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yikes, scary stuff. I've got a really good immune system, but still scary since so many people don't and you just never know ...

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 1:09 PM

DREAMTROVE


And the winner is...
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:

>_> At the risk of sounding like a fringe nut (like?) someone should get on finding out if this new gene was lab produced lickety-split.



Ya think?

It's Bagram. It's the Auschwitz of the 21st century. When people say to me...

"okay, so they have torture chambers and gas chambers and afghan children in cages being experimented on, and sure it looks just like Auschwitz from the air, and tens of thousands or more afghans have disappeared... but if you could see it up close, which you can, because no unauthorized people or cameras are allowed within five miles of the camp... You'd see that there's no comparison because there aren't 1.2 million bodies buried there."

.. I say "...yet."

I think we have ourselves a modern day Mengele


ETA: Frem, I'm surprised you missed this detail, you must need to rest up

(ya, i know, ya didnt really read the article, more sort of skimmed?) hey feel better dude
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 1:17 PM

BYTEMITE


I couldn't figure out what you meant by Bagram, wikipedia has an article on some sort of ancient archeological dig site. All I knew was it had something to do with Afghanistan.

Thanks for the info.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 2:37 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I couldn't figure out what you meant by Bagram, wikipedia has an article on some sort of ancient archeological dig site. All I knew was it had something to do with Afghanistan.

Thanks for the info.



Allow me to pre-emptively add that I'm sure a lot of US service men and women fly into Bagram Airbase with no idea what is going on in the camp. OTOH, the mayor of Auschwitz had no idea what was going on in the camp.

Back in the early days of the war, before they zoned it off and covered everything with screens (exactly what the germans did, that's why they look alike from the air) there were some folks who got in and took pictures. Afghan children being experimented on, kept in animal cages, 30 to a cage. I remember the pictures, it's the sort of image that burns in your brain like the cats and dogs in the chinese market or the machine guns set up outsidde the stained glass windows at a rwandan church.

I recall they even got to interview a few before the brass realized what was happening, and someone at intel called in the dogs. I remember too the little page 38 story about local ban on cameras specific to bagram. Funny that, said the media, but not noteworthy, surely.




That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


These germs are made in the laboratory of evolution. Only 4 years after penicillin was rolled out, researchers were finding penicillin resistant germs. And they WARNED the world over a half a century ago about the problem of resistance associated with antibiotic use.

Now there is the hospital version of MRSA (methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus), community acquired MRSA (which has a different mix of resistance patterns), MRSE (methicillin resistant staphylococcus epidermidis, normally a beneficial germ living on skin but become toxic and difficult to treat), there is deadly E Coli O157H7 which first came to light with the Jack in the Box outbreak, TWO different kinds of carbapenem resistance mechanisms and NDM-1 is one of them, there is a new strain of pathogenic E coli in Europe ...

This is an avalanche that's been rolling down the mountain for a long, looooong time.

But like a lot of other things that people do that we really shouldn't, we do what's convenient, easy, PROFITABLE ... and cross our fingers and hope the bill will never come due.

Reality bites, doesn't it?

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 6:11 PM

BYTEMITE


There's natural ways resistance mechanisms arise, but I don't rule out labs in this case, either. There's been custom viruses, some outbreaks of lyme have been centered around military bases... There's good reason to not trust the American military and their biowarfare research.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 6:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
There's natural ways resistance mechanisms arise, but I don't rule out labs in this case, either. There's been custom viruses, some outbreaks of lyme have been centered around military bases... There's good reason to not trust the American military and their biowarfare research.



I'm generally not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but that last sentence of yours stands out.

There IS damn good reason to not trust the Army with their biowarfare research: The fact that they HAVE biowarfare research is al the reason you need in order to not trust them.


I know, I know - I can hear it coming already: "It could never happen here!"

And what happened at Fukushima couldn't happen there, either.

It never can, until it does; then we get to hear people falling all over themselves to assure us that "no one could have foreseen this..."

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 7:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"There's been custom viruses ..."

Such as? (And please don't say HIV.)

"... some outbreaks of lyme have been centered around military bases ..." for the natural reason that many of those bases are in tick-infested countryside. And then you take a lot of humans and run them through that countryside.

I don't 'trust' the military. But the emergence and spread of the NDM-1 factor (for example) has been tracked for quite a while, along with the spread of carbapenem-resistant klebsiella pneumoniae (the other type of carbapenem-resistance).

Just because this is the first you've read about it doesn't mean it hasn't been evolving over time. The NDM-1 factor was found in Sweden in a patient from India. Since then more Indian patients have been seen in western countries with the same factor. At this point many bacteria with this factor have become endemic in the drinking water supply in certain parts of India.

"Scientists have discovered a dangerous pathogen lurking in the drinking water in Delhi. It's not a superbug per se, but a supergene — a genetic mutation that can be acquired by a variety of bacteria to make them impervious to powerful antibiotics of last resort.
The gene mutation, New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase 1 (or NDM-1), was identified in 11 distinct bacterial species, including those that cause cholera and dysentery, researchers from the University of Cardiff reported Thursday in the journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases. "This is an urgent matter of public health," said the study's principle investigator, Dr. Timothy Walsh, who was the first to identify the NDM-1 mutation in 2008."

You know, when we do stupid stuff like overuse antibiotics and it comes back and bites us in the butt, instead of looking for the sneaky mean people out there who did this to us, we should be looking at the stupid, lazy and greedy people in the mirror who did this to us.

You can't fix a problem unless you know what it is. In this case, it's us, choosing dangerous shortcuts for short-term personal gain - as usual, if I may add.

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Thursday, June 9, 2011 8:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


DT a chara,

If what you say is truethen that's really horrible and scary.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:01 PM

DREAMTROVE


It's not black magic. Restriction enzymes are available at any university or hospital. It involves taking a known gene from one bacteria or other vector and transfer it to another bacteria or other vector. Anyone could do it. They'd just have to be a total lunatic with no concept of humanity.

Of course, if you pack 30 children into an animal cage to expeiment on them, you'd probably fit the bill. Nowhere has a higher density of such people than Bagram, and I mean nowhere on Earth. i might pick North Korea as my second choice.

At any rate, this is more likely than that the gene just jumped species without the sort of helping hand Byte is suggesting in a move which is incredibly unethical, but not technically difficult. I could do it, and I suspect so could SignyM, but neither of us would, just illustrating how very possible this is for someone with no compuctions about experimenting on children.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Anyone could do it. ... this is more likely than that the gene just jumped species ..."

Except ... bacteria of radically different species routinely trade genes as a normal, everyday occurrence. This also routinely happens with viruses as well.

BTW, what the presence of that gene in 11 different species in Delhi drinking water tells me is that it's been around in the environment for years.

"Nowhere has a higher density of such people than Bagram ..."

Here's the problem with your theory - The Bagram patient is someone who comes very late in the timeline. It didn't start there with him. The gene itself was discovered by researchers in India even before the index patient. The index case was from India a few years ago. Since then it has entered the US - yes, even before the Bagram patient contracted the gene-carrying bacteria.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 6:39 PM

DREAMTROVE


Actually, Kiki, Your argument was what I based my above thesis on. Obviously you can't splice an unknown gene.

Oh and for the record, you should read up on AIDS. Then perhaps you would eventually become less glib.

BTW, Conjugation is a random process. It would take forever to spread. Once the gene has been isolated, reproducing it however you wanted could be a matter of hours.

Have you ever done any genetic engineering?


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


DT

You know very little, I fear.

Some bacteria like Acinetobacter, Pseudomonas and Klebsiella naturally contain resistance genes. They have these probably because they live freely in the environment, in contact with the molds and other microorganisms that produce antibiotics to better compete with them. (It's exactly the same way the mold Penicillium notatum for example produces penicillin.)

The fear of microbiologists everywhere is the transfer of resistance genes carried by non-pathogens to pathogenic bacteria - bacteria that find animals (and humans) suitable as food and that have toxic factors that cause disease. This is a reasonable fear, because this mechanism has been documented to have occurred many, many times already.

The three ways known to date that genetic material is transfered in the normal environment are ...

http://www.slic2.wsu.edu:82/hurlbert/micro101/pages/Chap9.html

"... The three forms of bacterial DNA exchange are (1) transformation, (2) conjugation and (3) transduction.

TRANSFORMATION
Since its initial discovery transformation has been shown to occur throughout the bacterial world ... (Transformation is the process where free-floating nuclear DNA or discrete DNA units called plasmids from ANY source are taken up by bacteria.) Transformation (moves) DNA between bacteria, plants and animals.

CONJUGATION
... CONJUGATION (is) the ability of bacterial cells to transfer DNA between cells that are in physical contact ... Since its discovery, conjugational exchange of DNA has been shown to be more common and promiscuous than first thought possible. ... Data has accumulated which shows that conjugation between bacteria crosses prokaryotic species lines and even occurs between bacteria and some eukaryotic cells.

TRANSDUCTION
The third way of transporting DNA between organisms involves the mediation of viruses."

This is widespread, normal bacterial DNA trafficking. In fact, the technology you cite is ***BASED*** ON the enzymes and processes discovered as already naturally occurring. It wasn't 'invented' by scientists. Such technology would not exist without the EXISTING mechanisms that have been making it naturally happen for billions of years.


IN ADDITION - in places where antibiotics are available OTC, like India, people pop them randomly, creating a stew of resistant bacteria that they then shit out into the environment, thus contaminating the drinking water.

And then there's the west's use of hundreds of tons of antibiotics every year to grown their meat and poultry products.



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Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:00 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
DT

You know very little, I fear.



Great opener.

Your overall manner of discourse does seem to start each post with the attitude of "Hey, moron, I know you're woefully ignorant, you probably won't understand what I'm going to say..."

Little tip: If you always talk and never listen, you never learn a damn thing.

So, yes, I know all that, 'cause, as I said, I studied the subject for two years. We also clipped genes with and put them into bacteria with gene splicing and plasmids. We didn't get to work with retroviruses, but we studied them at length.

Now, of course, anyone can just look that stuff up. Point being: it's doesn't take a genius to do this.


But seriously, don't you think that a torture-central experimentation zone concentration camp is an odd place for a deadly transference of a known deadly gene to take place without raising one ounce of suspicion?

It's really much easier to do this intentionally than unintentionally. Of course, someone was a real doctor who discovered it.

Could, of course, just be another overblown media panic story.

My money is on medical experimentation. The whole situation is just too damn familiar.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:31 PM

BYTEMITE


You don't believe there are custom viruses?

H1N1 has four different virus genetic sequences combined in the same package. Reassortment could explain it, but so could gene splicing. You can track the initial outbreak to a vaccine shipment, and from there back to the lab that shipped it, so a lab origin is strongly suggested. That one was probably just the accidental result of multiple-strain-in-one vaccine research, but malicious intention is also a possibility.

Virus are also commonly used as vectors in genetic engineering. You can hardly argue those AREN'T custom viruses.

I don't TAKE antibiotics, so take your mirror elsewhere. I didn't even take painkillers when I herniated a disk in my spine.

And even if you want to blame overuse of antibiotics on this, which is a problem I admit, the articles you just cited said that the gene arose in populations of bacteria in contaminated water supply in India. Mutations happen randomly, and spread randomly, and the only effect that antibiotics have in the equation is that they kill off less dangerous or competing pathogens. Suffice to say, antibiotics are not a cause of superbugs, rather they just exacerbate the situation.

I grant you the gene swapping of bacteria, you really don't need to educate either of us about it, as we're already aware of this. I was discussing possibilities with DT, but all I said was that this needs to be investigated, and all DT has said is that it's concerning that Bagram has come up in this, even if the gene did originate elsewhere.

You can say one theory is more likely than the other, but that is not the same as correct or incorrect with 100% certainty. We simply don't have enough information yet on this new gene, its sequence, its origins, and its current geographical occurrence to rule out biowarfare.

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