The "story of a non-story" issue by Niki2

Keep the Shiny side up

I'm not particularly shocked or outraged that Rep. Weiner was having phone hanky-panky with women who were not his wife. I'm shocked and outraged at how positively INEPT he was - both about the texting and the cover-up. I'm not sure I want someone this clueless involved in running the country.

The best comment I've heard about the whole thing was on WAMU's 'Tell Me More' in a discussion on whether Rep. Weiner should resign. One of the panelists said that she was going to use the incident to help teach her teenage son that anything you put out on the Web can end up everywhere.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, June 10, 2011 8:38 AM

I concur with Geezer.

Also, no, this is not normal. The left likes to scream "sexual harassment" at much less than sending pictures of your cock to someone. Really, what would you do if your professor sent his cute female students pictures of his cock? Would you think that was normal and appropriate behavior? Sure, he's human, but he's also in a position of authority. He's holding an office that should expect a level of behavior.

Three other things struck me about this story:

1) Wiener gave us his iron clad guarantee that his word was good, which is a different level of lie than when the president made misstatements on the campaign, and when someone pointed out that they weren't true he was like "you're right, I apologize." That's the level of exaggeration that normal humans are prone to, but most people when called do not stand firm and then wait to see if the good people will string up someone else, a solution that sociopaths seem very at ease with.

2) Wiener came across as smarmy, ridiculing and dismissing his detractors, as if he believed himself to be of a special class to whom the rules did not apply.

3) Twitter is a public forum. How absolutely stone stupid do you have to be to harass people by posting lewd messages and pictures to a public forum? I mean Bill Clinton was a creep by asking a woman to come to his room, and then whipping out his cock. He was a creep for pretending to hear about Vince Foster's death on national TV, when he'd actually heard about it an hour and a half early. He pretended to be struck by grief, collapse, and we were supposed to worry he was having a heart attack. Here's what he didn't do: He didn't invite a college student on to the show to join him so he could whip out his cock at her on national television. Why? Because he's dumb, he's but he's not Wiener dumb. Not sure anyone is.

Is this the point you really want to make here? If not, maybe you should let sleeping dogs lie.

ETA: Geez, particularly I liked how Wiener could not shut up about it when he confessed. He confessed to far more than he had been accused of. Got a little of that from old Strauss Kahn too. "No, I bang chambermaids all the time. I usually they shut up when I give them the hush money. You should have seen this hot little number down in Guatemala..."

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, June 10, 2011 8:46 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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I'm shocked and outraged at how positively INEPT he was - both about the texting and the cover-up. I'm not sure I want someone this clueless involved in running the country.

Good point, Geezer, but when I look at how inept NUMEROUS politicians are right on the House floor, I don’t see a lot of difference to be honest.

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she was going to use the incident to help teach her teenage son that anything you put out on the Web can end up everywhere.

MOST excellent point; everyone should! That actually would make a GOOD story, in my opinion, and IS popping up here and there.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Friday, June 10, 2011 9:06 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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The left likes to scream "sexual harassment" at much less than sending pictures of your cock to someone.

I disagree. I think both ides are equally prone to moral indignation, whether couched in terms of “sexual harrassment” or “bad family values” or whatever is useful at the time.

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He's holding an office that should expect a level of behavior.

Also true of miscreants on both sides; Vitter not only stayed on, he got a rousing APPLAUSE when he returned to the House! As to:

1. Right on. I agree 100% and that, to me, was the very worst thing about this whole deal.

2. Also agreed. But I don’t think he holds the title of most smarmy OR that he’s the only one to believe the laws don’t apply to him. There’s an awful lot of that in politics; politicians seem to have some weird idea that they can get away with things regular people can’t, they also seem to frequently seem to believe they ARE of a different class and the rules don’t apply to them.

3.

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How absolutely stone stupid do you have to be to harass people by posting lewd messages and pictures to a public forum?

I know, that is the one that blows my mind the MOST...and not just about Twitter. Politicians do the most assinine things and seem to think nobody will notice; I mean, how stupid do you have to be to think you can run for President with a mistress, child out of wedlock, and wife dying of cancer??? That is just totally insane to me. I think it’s more a matter of these people not being familiar with social networking; until recently, it wasn’t even part of a politician’s life, so it’s new to them and they’re showing their ignorance. I don’t think it’s much beyond someone saying they’re going to hike the Appalachian trail, or being caught coming home with a boy toy and claiming he’s there to carry your baggage, or so many of the absurd things our legislators are caught doing, it’s just that this is a new way to do it and they haven’t caught on yet. Hopefully they have by now, but I wouldn’t put money on it!

Your cartoon totally fails, for me. The REASON right-wingers are called hypocrites is their CLAIM TO BETTER VALUES. Thus THEY set higher standards for themselves, nobody else does. If they didn’t go on and on about their moral superiority, it wouldn’t BE hypocrisy, they’d be sleaze bags just like Democrats who do such things are and that would be that. But when you put yourself out as such a high-and-might, moral entity, and sneer at others, then are caught doing things of a similar ilk, who could REFRAIN from pointing out the hypocrisy? How many of these sleaze bags have come down LOUDLY on scandals of those in the other party, then been caught themselves? It’s not just Republicans; when “men of God” turn out to be sleaze bags, the whole WORLD laughs at them. If you put yourself above others, you’re bound to be labeled a hypocrite when you behave the same way.

Weiner going on and on disgusted me, too...partly because it was taking up air time better used and the media ate it up; NONE of them seemed to have rejected the opportunity to “interview” him. If he’d shut up, I’d have been most grateful, whether he was guilty or NOT.

As to whether “normal” or not, it’s pretty obvious that, in the world of the internet, it’s DEFINITELY relatively normal. The article I posted shows that. So does that show, what was it called...”Predator”something...where they catch people who try to meet women they conversed with lewdly on the internet. That show could have run forever, there are so many out there, it just got repetitive and boring. This kind of activity is very common, it’s just that, as the author pointed out, when it’s someone FAMOUS, it becomes “news”.

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Friday, June 10, 2011 9:07 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Friday, June 10, 2011 1:46 PM

Niki,

You have a good point that this sort of degenerate ineptitude is common in the halls of congress, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start booting them out one at a time, esp. when they hand us their own heads on a platter.

Of course, the replacements have to be better, which is why it is incumbent on both sides to attack their own side, rather than the opposition, so they can both rid themselves of their albatrosses and weed their new crop for actual good candidates.

(I actually think Herman Cain is a good candidate, but at this very moment I could not conceivably support a former nat'l gas exec unless he was very clear on the environment. This one appears to be "drill baby drill")

But if we keep working on it, better candidates will come.

Here's an example of success: Rhode Island had a democrat for senate who was thoroughly corporate and corrupt, so the democrats voted for Chafee. Locally, they took their own party to task, and as it stayed out of power, it got weaker, and eventually caved to its progressive wing, and they got a decent candidate, Whitehouse, who then went on to win the election, and be a progressive in the Senate.

This is what we need to learn to do in NY, and they *really* need in PA (where the dems and gop are no different and are almost as corrupt as AZ.)

ETA: Here's the thing: Arguing against the right will never get you where you want to be. The right will never cave to your dislike of them, and it will not get you what you really need: Better democrats.

Let folks like Hardware fight to get better republicans. Fight to get better democrats. You and I may disagree, and we may disagree with a number of people here on the board, but how much nicer it would be to sit down with a govt. filler with these guys, normal people, with some good ideas, with whom you just happen to have some disagreements, then to sit down in a room full of oil execs and arms merchants and drug dealers and then try to get some decent policy.

It will never be an all red or all blue world. But it can be a better than Harry Reid vs. Mitch McConnell.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, June 10, 2011 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I'm not particularly shocked or outraged that Rep. Weiner was having phone hanky-panky with women who were not his wife. I'm shocked and outraged at how positively INEPT he was - both about the texting and the cover-up. I'm not sure I want someone this clueless involved in running the country.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, June 10, 2011 6:50 PM

BYTEMITE

I know Frem's posted that picture before, but the thing I like best about it is the suggestion that the viewer has been tied up damsel in distress style on some train tracks, and then the villain ASKED you to take the picture. Possibly while a train is coming from the other direction, because it adds some extra irony.

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Friday, June 10, 2011 7:04 PM

Well if you want it done right...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PragmaticVillainy

-F

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:59 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Your cartoon totally fails, for me. The REASON right-wingers are called hypocrites is their CLAIM TO BETTER VALUES. Thus THEY set higher standards for themselves, nobody else does.

At least in the current Congress, the Republican leadership is taking a harder stance. One of the panelists on the "Diane Rhem Show" (I believe) noted that when the Lee scandal surfaced, Speaker Boehmer immediately told him to resign, and he did. This could just be lessons learned from previous scandals when the Party tried to either cover up or rehabilitate the malefactor, and ended up losing votes. The Democratic leadership, on the other hand, has left both Weiner and Charlie Rangel in office after their transgressions.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 2:01 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:

That about makes my point. Scandals abound when it comes to people in the news, then the media makes a big deal out of it and covers it for days (weeks?) in great detail, with their audience drooling at each new development, it becoming the major topic at the water cooler, and pundits debating it like it was a serious piece of news. THAT’s what makes the media, and all who pay attention to such things, the real “wieners”, in my opinion.

Kinda like when Sarah Palin accurately describes a bit of history, though not to the tune we're accustomed to hearing, the media jumps all over that 'non story' , and makes it out to be something completely different?

And that's not even a scandal, say , like saying there are 57 states, might be.

Yeah, real funny what the media decides is "news" and what isn't, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 2:39 AM

We should elect a different media by exercising our "what we choose to read" right.

Too many people I know get their news frfommm CNN for no other reason then they have a mental connection of "news" to CNN. it's like I'll "google" the topic, and then get a book off "amazon" and then maybe i'll "ebay" this old junk. Product name recognition can be a powerful thing.

I guess the short of this is: Don't blame the bear for being a bear.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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At least in the current Congress, the Republican leadership is taking a harder stance.

Errr... (blush)... well, you could have chosen better wording. But I take your point.

Still, I have to ask.... higher standards on what??. The world is collapsing ecologically. In 10-15 years, this obsession will be seen as straddling the border between trivial and evil. More on the evil side. We should be planning 200 years into the future, not focused on somebody's weener... Republican OR Democrat.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:45 AM

BNW

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kinda like when Sarah Palin accurately describes a bit of history, though not to the tune we're accustomed to hearing, the media jumps all over that 'non story' , and makes it out to be something completely different?

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:32 AM

HKCAVALIER

The OP's argument reminds me of the way the Church deals with pedophile priests: all sex is sinful and therefore an affront to God Almighty, so there really isn't a whole lot of difference between a fellow having "lustful" thoughts as he strolls down the street and a priest raping 35 children.

Sorry, but there is a difference. And a lot of the people whose sex scandals we aren't hearing about, simply don't have anything going on that would scandalize much of anyone.

It galls me when Weiner and the like talk about an "error in judgement." Posting your junk on the internet is not an error in judgement, it's an error in intention! You start wanting to post your junk on the internet SEEK FUCKING HELP. "Gee, I'd like to have sex with that person" is a categorically different thought from "Gee, I'd like to rape that person."

This crazy acting out we're seeing again and again is not about sex. Anthony Weiner does not necessarily have a stronger sex drive than anyone else. Just look at the examples sited as, I dunno, justification? for Weiner's behavior:

• Straight men enjoy a wider variety of erotica than imagined, including sites devoted to elderly women and transsexuals...and therefore I'm gonna post pictures of my penis to strange women online? No.

• Straight men prefer heavy women to thin ones...and therefore I'm gonna post pictures of my penis to strange women online? No.

• Straight men have a fascination with other men's penises...and therefore I'm gonna post pictures of my penis to strange women online? No.

• Men fantasize about group sex far more than women and picture more men than women in the action...and therefore I'm gonna post pictures of my penis to strange women online? No.

And, yes, the incompetence is very significant. One of the things men who act out like Weiner want IS TO GET CAUGHT! Is there anyone here not clear on that fact? It's self-sabotage, self-hatred that leads men to act out this way.

How's about this: wielding the kind of power we give to our nationally elected representatives is unhealthy for humans. It damages them and sometimes...they just break; start doing crazy shit like uploading pictures of their erect penises to total strangers.

Seriously, even Alexander the Great didn't have the kind of personal power our senators have to affect the lives of millions. What if the human animal is just not prepared to have that much power?

Oopsie!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:06 AM

Well that's what happens when you give The One Ring to Boromir at the council, innit ?

Power is a prison, and only the wise can see the bars.

-F

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:07 AM

HK

I think he was seeking "fucking" help. True, it's not something other people do. I've flirted with lots of people online. I have never sent them a picture of my dong. I think that's about as appropriate as walking up to a woman on the street and whipping out your dong. It's pretty weird behavior.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:29 AM

HKCAVALIER

It's not just weird, Dream, it's broken. Maladaptive. Besides, there are plenty of entirely discrete and consensual contexts for men to whip out their dongs to strangers if they simply, earnestly wish to do so without violating anyone's privacy, least ways his own. Good golly, just google any of that and you'll be directed to any number of "groups in your area" etc. The kind of acting out Weiner is doing is intentionally invasive, fundamentally aggressive and dishonest. It is the product of a pathologically divided self for which there are a variety of treatments.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:04 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Our media has been the Roman circus for decades. Do you really think the Fukushima story is over?

The 'news' media's job is to attract viewers to the commercials and ads.

The 'reporters' job is find find enough stuff to put in front of the editor as cheaply as possible, which usually means just repeating announcements and official statements.

The 'editors' job is not to find and relate the truly important items, but to ferret out the tasty tidbits to attract the fickle audience. Cue the heartwarming / heartbreaking/ bizarre // dog/ child/ sex mix-n'-match story.

BTW, 'fair and balanced' is a joke, and not just b/c of the painfully obvious right-wing agenda. It's ALSO because of the economics that drive the entire industry. 'Fair and balanced' is just another branding scheme so people can choose their preferred entertainment.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:06 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

And, yes, the incompetence is very significant. One of the things men who act out like Weiner want IS TO GET CAUGHT! Is there anyone here not clear on that fact? It's self-sabotage, self-hatred that leads men to act out this way.

OR ...

It could simply be that some folks, lawmakers as they are, see themselves as better than, above the rest of us mere common citizens, the rabble.

Some are more equal than others...

They're not worried of getting caught if there isn't anyone to to watch the watchers.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:28 AM

HKCAVALIER

I disagree AURaptor,

The truth of a person is who they are when all the secrets are out. This man, Anthony Weiner, does not feel better than everyone else now that his secret is out. Back when he was acting out, acting AS IF he were better than others, he was compensating for his catastrophically low self-worth.

Y'see, they WANT you to think they're big and tough and don't care about the weak because that is the narrative in which they are most powerful and intensely masculine. The narratives in their heads, however, that fuel their acting out, even their choice of profession sometimes, tell them that they are weak and ugly and must take what they want because no one--no woman, in Weiner's case--would willingly give them what they desire.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 11:51 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Billary "travels everywhere" with Weiner's anorexic Arab wife Huma Abedin

Jew Weiner's weiner is a huge (actually tiny) issue, since his Arab ho wife is bangin one of the most ruthless mass murderers in human history. How many psychopaths can say they personally ordered world armies to massacre 80 women and children in a Christian church in Texas? And don't forget the 500,000 babies genocided in Iraq during her First Ladyshit. Then there's the CIA massacres today in the Middle East while Secretary of State in charge of diplomacy by bombing the shit out of millions of innocent civilians and letting Israel do the same.

Maybe Arab Semite Huma is playing her Joker Card to destroy the Clintons for Muslim Hussein Obama?

Weinergate's lesbian wife is Hillary's 'little friend'
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=48720

Cops visit home of 17 yr old who tweeted w/ Congressman Weiner
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=48749

Mr Weiner, this is what happens when a heterosexual marries a lesbian, your chest hair falls out and Hillary's photo pops up

Jew Billary wants to be dictator of the Jew World Bank For Enslaving All The Gullible Goyim.

This leak is retaliation from Obama for...

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Weiner takes his weiner and goes home from the House
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/jun/11/democratic-leaders-say-rep-we
iner-must-resign/

Is nancy Pelosi playing hide the Weiner?

It just got too hard for Weiner.

"Professional treatment for Weiner", must be going to see a PROstitute!

Obama 1
Clinton 0

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 6:47 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
It's not just weird, Dream, it's broken.

I haven't seen the actual member.

I'm tempted to agree with Rap on this one. He's sick, sure, but he also thinks the rules don't apply to him.

John,

Is Hillary's being gay relevant or newsworthy? I sort of got this point in 1992 when she showed no interest in Bill's extramarital affairs. She wasn't interested in the fact that he was cheating on her: She didn't want him to come home, or to leave, and she didn't want in on it, she just had no interest. I thought "Oh, it's a cover marriage, she's gay, and this is about political power." At some point they spawned Chelsea.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:36 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Your cartoon totally fails, for me. The REASON right-wingers are called hypocrites is their CLAIM TO BETTER VALUES. Thus THEY set higher standards for themselves, nobody else does.

At least in the current Congress, the Republican leadership is taking a harder stance. One of the panelists on the "Diane Rhem Show" (I believe) noted that when the Lee scandal surfaced, Speaker Boehmer immediately told him to resign, and he did. This could just be lessons learned from previous scandals when the Party tried to either cover up or rehabilitate the malefactor, and ended up losing votes. The Democratic leadership, on the other hand, has left both Weiner and Charlie Rangel in office after their transgressions.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Was David Vitter told to resign after it came out that he was soliciting prostitutes (an ACTUAL crime, mind you, according to the law)? Was Larry Craig told to resign after his arrest and guilty plea? Was Mark Sandford told to resign when it was revealed that "hiking the Appalachian Trail" really meant "using taxpayer funds to take a fuck-it junket to Argentina"? Was John Ensign told to resign when his C-Street buddies learned of his affair and worked together to break the law and try to buy his way out of the mess?

So when EXACTLY did this "harder stance" start coming into play for the Republicans? The day after Weiner's press conference?

For the record, the answer to all of the above questions about Republicans being "told to resign" in the wake of their transgressions is "NO." None of them were "told to resign"; hell, none of them were even ASKED to resign.

Vitter was re-elected. And he was given a standing ovation when he returned to the Senate after news of his scandal broke. He's still there four years later. Oddly, he hasn't resigned (but he HAS had his diaper changed a few times).

Larry Craig served out his Senate term, too.

Mark Sandford just left office in January 2011. Obviously this new "harder stance" is something that must have come into play in the last 5 months, then...

John Ensign finally *DID* resign on May 3 of this year, little more than a month ago, despite his scandal breaking in 2008. And he only resigned when it became increasingly clear that he was in all likelihood going to be thrown out of the Senate for his various and plentiful ethics violations. He may well still face criminal charges.

So this whole "harder stance" thing is something the GOP came up with just in the last month, it seems.

Was there a press release or anything?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:14 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So when EXACTLY did this "harder stance" start coming into play for the Republicans?

Mike, it'd help if you actually read my post before replying. It starts off "At least in the current Congress...".

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:48 AM

Nice try, Geezer, but your spin isn't working.

Is David Vitter a member of the "current" Congress?

Yes or no, please.

Was John Ensign a member of the "current" Congress?

Again, a simple yes or no will suffice.

Also, you point out Charlie Rangel as an example of Democrats leaving offenders in office. Were his transgressions part of the "current" Congress?

Your hypocrisy is showing. Might want to see to that.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:51 AM

America loves a winner!

HK, I just see it some what differently than you.

Not that I'm dismissing it all, as I see there's certainly merit to what you're saying.

I'll never forget the smirk and arrogance that Charles Rangel had, when asked about his ethics issues. Rangel basically laughed, and told the reporter, why would he be worried about anything happening to him, when HE was the chairman of the committee which was investigating him! He basically was stating that, 'I run that committee, and if you think anything will come of this, you're delusional. ' Same sort of arrogance and elitist attitude displayed by Weiner.

It goes back to the line from the movie, Matilda... " I'm smart; you're dumb. I'm big; you're little. I'm right, you're wrong."

That's how the politicians like Weiner and Rangel think.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:06 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Is Hillary's being gay relevant or newsworthy? I sort of got this point in 1992 when she showed no interest in Bill's extramarital affairs. She wasn't interested in the fact that he was cheating on her: She didn't want him to come home, or to leave, and she didn't want in on it, she just had no interest. I thought "Oh, it's a cover marriage, she's gay, and this is about political power." At some point they spawned Chelsea.

Both Billarys are gay, according to eyewitness participant Cathy O'Brien. Monica sucked dick, no vagina involved, might as well have been a man.

Homosexuality is extremely relevant because all psychopaths are homosexuals, by definition (many will have sex with rotted corpses dug from the grave, like Republican rising star Ted Bundy). If homosexuality is the epitomy of mental health, why do homosexuals like Billary, Obama and Bush love to genocide millions of innocent people, and carry out false flag terror massacres in USA?

Homosexuals are usually pedophiles, in order to brainwash, recruit and manufacture more homosexuals.

Homosexuality is still a felony in the military.

Homosexuals cannot be Christians, which is one reason why jews hate Christians. The jewish Babylonian Talmud is a Satanic bible for psychopaths that legalizes homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality, theft, fraud, murder and genocide. Satan is their god. Rabbis are required to be homosexual pedophiles and suck the penis of little jew babies during circumcision, to make them grow up to be homosexual pedophiles.

Homosexuality is a disease vector. Sucking shit off a dick or dildo is not conducive towards good health.

HIV is a Pentagon Congressional eugenics bioweapon WMD first advertised for "promiscuous homosexuals" to volunteer for "experimental vaccinations", because homosexual men would spread the disease faster than anyone else.

Homosexuality is a mental illness and/or physical disability that can be cured, but saying it is "normal" denies sick people a cure.

The Pentagon has a Gay Bomb that can turn any soldier into a raging homosexual raping his fellow soldiers to death. BPA plastic and soybean foods are the equivalent of a Gay Bomb WMD dropped every day on the gullible goyim in USA.

Chelsea was probably an artificial insemination by Satanic Nazi Dr Michael Aquino at a DARPA MKULTRA laboratory under Disney World.

The Dying Art of Femininity
http://www.henrymakow.com/001189.html

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:33 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is David Vitter a member of the "current" Congress?

His transgresions did not occur or come to light during the current congressional session. Neither did Ensign's.

Rangel's transgressions, like Lee's and Weiner's, did come to light in the current session.

BTW. Mike, are you (1)an asshole or (2)a flaming asshole?

Answer 1 or 2 please.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:38 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I'll never forget the smirk and arrogance that Charles Rangel had, when asked about his ethics issues. Rangel basically laughed ..."

Folks, remember Raps' epic FAIL describing a picture WE ALL COULD LOOK AT ... This one?

Here is Rap's first FAIL ...

Quote:
Obama sitting in the corner, shoulders slouched, like a scolded child ? Seriously.. why isn't he in the big boy chair ?

his second FAIL

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he looks sullen and dejected... not attentive or engaged, even a little.

and his doubling down on both FAILS.

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Obama's shoulders are slouched, he's sullen, and in the corner

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=48454

So when he says Rangel smirked, was arrogant and 'basically' laughed (which I think means NOT REALLY but I want to claim he did) does anyone here trust he got it right?

I still find it astounding how Rap can literally not see what's in front of his face, and instead see what's not there. If I were him, I would be worried about my own sanity, at least a little.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:50 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is David Vitter a member of the "current" Congress?

His transgresions did not occur or come to light during the current congressional session. Neither did Ensign's.

Rangel's transgressions, like Lee's and Weiner's, did come to light in the current session.

BTW. Mike, are you (1)an asshole or (2)a flaming asshole?

Answer 1 or 2 please.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

ETA: I see I neglected to answer Geezer's question. Generally, (1) an asshole. But I've told you this before, no doubt.

From the Wiki:

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Beginning in 2008, Rangel faced a series of allegations of ethics violations and failures to comply with tax laws. The House Ethics Committee focused on whether Rangel improperly rented multiple rent-stabilized New York apartments, improperly used his office in raising money for the Rangel Center at the City College of New York, and failed to disclose rental income from his villa in the Dominican Republic. In March 2010, Rangel stepped aside as Ways and Means Chair. In November 2010, the Ethics Committee found Rangel guilty of 11 counts of violating House ethics rules, and on December 2, the full House approved a sanction of censure against Rangel.

Hardly the "current" session. That began January 3, 2011. So all of Rangel's transgressions "came to light" during the previous sessions, just like you excused Vitter and Ensign for.

So which kind of asshole are you, Geezer? Were you (1) a lying asshole when you made those ridiculous claims, or were you (2) just an asshole making a "campaign promise"?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I'll never forget the smirk and arrogance that Charles Rangel had, when asked about his ethics issues. Rangel basically laughed ..."

Folks, remember Raps' epic FAIL describing a picture WE ALL COULD LOOK AT ... This one?

Here is Rap's first FAIL ...
Quote:
Obama sitting in the corner, shoulders slouched, like a scolded child ? Seriously.. why isn't he in the big boy chair ?
his second FAIL
Quote:
he looks sullen and dejected... not attentive or engaged, even a little.
and his doubling down on both FAILS.
Quote:
Obama's shoulders are slouched, he's sullen, and in the corner

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=48454

So when he says Rangel smirked, was arrogant and 'basically' laughed (which I think means NOT REALLY but I want to claim he did) does anyone here trust he got it right?

I still find it astounding how Rap can literally not see what's in front of his face, and instead see what's not there. If I were him, I would be worried about my own sanity, at least a little.

Yup, and he COULDN'T see the ACTUAL smirk on Dubya's face when he said things like "Bring it on!" (which al-Qaeda immediately did, causing numerous deaths to U.S. personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq) and when he claimed that he just didn't think about Bin Laden that much, and didn't worry about him.

I imagine he was probably smirking when he disbanded the Bin Laden unit at the CIA in 2006, too. And of course Rappy "basically laughed" at the idea that Obama should get ANY of the credit for having Bin Laden tracked down...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:36 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER

Kwicko you are a credit to your party

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:26 AM

You know, there's only so much amusement can be derived from one of these...

But of course, Mikey is who he is...

And I wouldn't have it any other way.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Kwicko you are a credit to your party

Couldn't tell if that was sarcasm.

Frem, which one is Mike in that pic?

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Kwicko you are a credit to your party

As Geezer is a credit to yours.

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Monday, June 13, 2011 1:38 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So all of Rangel's transgressions "came to light" during the previous sessions, just like you excused Vitter and Ensign for.

Show me where I excused Vitter or Ensign's actions, or retract your lie.

ETA: Ooh. Censured one whole month before the current session. Nitpick mutch?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 13, 2011 2:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So all of Rangel's transgressions "came to light" during the previous sessions, just like you excused Vitter and Ensign for.

Show me where I excused Vitter or Ensign's actions, or retract your lie.

You "excused" them from being considered improper by dint of their having taken place during the previous session(s) of Congress.

I pointed out that Rangel's transgressions meet your same criteria for exclusion EXACTLY. To leave Vitter and Ensign out of consideration for what you consider offensive mideeds, while including Rangel, *IS* "excusing" them.

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ETA: Ooh. Censured one whole month before the current session. Nitpick mutch?

Sorry you find facts to be "nitpicking". As I said earlier, your hypocrisy is showing, "mutch".

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Monday, June 13, 2011 3:23 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You "excused" them from being considered improper by dint of their having taken place during the previous session(s) of Congress.

Get your facts straight, Mike. I noted that the Republican Congressional leadership excused (oops. "excused") them in previous sessions. Unless you're under the mistaken impression that I was part of the Republican Congressional leadership at that time, your "logic" doesn't hang together.

You're asserting an action on my part (That I "excused" Vitter or Ensign's actions) that has no basis in fact or evidence to support it. By the standards that you consistantly apply to other people's similar statements, you are lying.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 13, 2011 9:19 AM

And by the standards that you consistently hold others to, you're engaging in nothing more than pure sophistry.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, June 13, 2011 11:52 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

So when he says Rangel smirked, was arrogant and 'basically' laughed (which I think means NOT REALLY but I want to claim he did) does anyone here trust he got it right?

I still find it astounding how Rap can literally not see what's in front of his face, and instead see what's not there. If I were him, I would be worried about my own sanity, at least a little.

You remind me of that wheel of cheese... " not ready "

I could say the sun rises in the East, and all you could say is " FAIL !" .

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, June 13, 2011 12:39 PM

America loves a winner!

Oh, and 1kiki - here's your sign.

" What I did or did not [do] is being investigated by a committee by me. ”

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, June 13, 2011 12:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Wow - just wow. Rap's idea of a comeback is - am not, so are you! No facts, no discussion, no nada, just that.

Does anyone besides me find this infantile?

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Monday, June 13, 2011 12:48 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wow - just wow. Rap's idea of a comeback is - am not, so are you! No facts, no discussion, no nada, just that.

Does anyone besides me find this infantile?

You're not that bright, are you?

I recall a statement by Rangel, you refute it, out of hand, and then I show you exactly what he said, on video.

Way to go, cheese wheel.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, June 13, 2011 1:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

If anyone cares, Rap back-edits his posts to prove he was right. Yep, he's that kinda' guy.

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Monday, June 13, 2011 1:10 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
If anyone cares, Rap back-edits his posts to prove he was right. Yep, he's that kinda' guy.

why don't ya just stop, while you're already so far behind ?

It wasn't a ' back edit ', you mouth breather. I replied to my own post. And I was right, all along, I just wanted to shove it in your face. Maybe you'll learn from your mistakes.

Though I kinda doubt it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:49 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And by the standards that you consistently hold others to, you're engaging in nothing more than pure sophistry.

Well, who more than you should know about engaging in sophistry?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:31 PM