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Herman Cain: I am only going to allow small bills—three pages.

POSTED BY: KWICKO
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 15:48
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Friday, June 10, 2011 7:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/herman-cain-i-will-only-sign-small
-bills


Quote:

"Don't try to pass a 2,700 page bill—even they didn't read it! You and I didn't have time to read it. We're too busy trying to live—send our kids to school. That's why I am only going to allow small bills—three pages. You'll have time to read that one over the dinner table."


- Herman Cain, June 6, 2011.

Quote:

This is a nice little applause line, but it's not going to help change the growing impression that Cain has no idea what he's talking about.

... even landmark conservative achievements that Cain undoubtedly supports, like the Bush tax cuts and the USA PATRIOT Act, would have been subjected to a big fat veto from the Godfather under his three-page limit. The same goes for Paul Ryan's budget—or any budget bill, for that matter. Cain is essentially pledging that, if elected president, he will not sign any bills of consequence. Although considering some of his other ideas, that might be the best Americans can hope for.




Cain's genius master plan to get America back on track? DO NOTHING! Sign no bills that matter!

How could that possibly fail?








"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill


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Friday, June 10, 2011 8:16 PM

STORYMARK


The more I learn about this guy, the bigger a joke he seems. No wonder Rappy idolizes him.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:
The more I learn about this guy, the bigger a joke he seems. No wonder Rappy idolizes him.




The more you attack him, the more it tells me he's the right man for the job.

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He graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics and received a Master of Science degree in computer science from Purdue University in 1971,[8] while he was also working full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy.

Cain has authored four books: Leadership is Common Sense (1997), Speak as a Leader (1999), CEO of SELF (October 2001), and They Think You're Stupid (May 2005).


After completing his master's degree from Purdue, Cain left the Department of the Navy and began working for The Coca-Cola Company as a business analyst. In 1977, he joined Pillsbury where he rose to the position of vice president by the early 1980s. He left his executive post to work for Burger King – a Pillsbury subsidiary at the time – managing 400 stores in the Philadelphia area. Under Cain's leadership, his region went from the least profitable for Burger King to the most profitable in three years.

This prompted Pillsbury to appoint him president and CEO of Godfather's Pizza, another of their then-subsidiaries. Within 14 months, Cain had returned Godfather's to profitability. In 1988, Cain and a group of investors bought Godfather's from Pillsbury. Cain continued as CEO until 1996, when he resigned to become CEO of the National Restaurant Association – a trade group and lobby organization for the restaurant industry – where he had previously been chairman concurrently with his role at Godfather's.[9]

Cain became a member of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City in 1992 and served as its chairman from January 1995 to August 1996, when he resigned to become active in national politics.[10] Cain was a 1996 recipient of the Horatio Alger Award.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Business_career




Cain has more real world accomplishments in his pinky than Obama has in his entire long , skinny body. He's the real deal, where as Obama is nothing but a child, playing the part.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 6:44 AM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,

Does Cain's campaign pay you to do this?

ETA: If we're going to be that contrarian, maybe you're rap's sockpuppet.

Oh, and Rap, Not entirely one sided...
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 6:59 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


It's a campaign promise. Sorta like Pres. Obama's promise to close Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/mar/09/president-
obamas-promise-close-guantanamo-bay-dete
/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
It's a campaign promise. Sorta like Pres. Obama's promise to close Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/mar/09/president-
obamas-promise-close-guantanamo-bay-dete
/

"Keep the Shiny side up"




SSSHHHH!!! Quiet Geeze!


They HATE it when you bring that up.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Bullshit - it NEEDS to be brought up, damn well SOMEONE needs to hold Obamas feet to the fire about not following through, and continuing the same dumbass agendas Bush formulated.

Although I ain't exactly sure that should be the folk who cheered on and enabled them under Bush, cause there's a serious credibility gap there.

-F

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Face it, you were played for the peacenik dupes y'all are.

Once Barry made it to the WH, he saw the reality of the Islamic jihadist war, decided it'd be just fine to keep those animals caged up where they were, and opened up a couple of new fronts to the war on Islam. That isn't a war on Islam, of course.

Ya gotta have 'HOPE', right ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 2:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
It's a campaign promise. Sorta like Pres. Obama's promise to close Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/mar/09/president-
obamas-promise-close-guantanamo-bay-dete
/

"Keep the Shiny side up"




So you're saying Cain's lying, right? On that, we all agree.



DT: Yes, Cain's paying me to keep bringing his lies and stupidity to the fore. He's paying me exactly as much as Palin's camp is paying you. You're a big supporter of hers, aren't you? ;)

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:04 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying Cain's lying, right? On that, we all agree.



No, Mike. I'm saying that Cain is making a Campaign Promise. You're saying (or at least inferring) that I'm saying he's lying. I never said he's lying, so that makes your statement a lie, doesn't it?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying Cain's lying, right? On that, we all agree.



No, Mike. I'm saying that Cain is making a Campaign Promise. You're saying (or at least inferring) that I'm saying he's lying. I never said he's lying, so that makes your statement a lie, doesn't it?

"Keep the Shiny side up"




Cain's "promise" is a lie to the extent that you were implying that Obama's campaign promise was a lie.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Cain's "promise" is a lie to the extent that you were implying that Obama's campaign promise was a lie.



That's your opinion. I never said anyone lied, just that they made Campaign Promises. Folk may not be able to keep Campaign Promises, just like they sometimes can't keep actual promises, but that doesn't necessarily make them liars. Obama may have truely intended to close Gitmo, but found that the realities didn't allow it. Cain may truely intend to limit bills to three pages(which I suspect was Campaign Hyperbole), but I'd suspect that the realities will catch up with him too.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 13, 2011 7:41 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I do like the idea of encouraging people to keep their bills more concise, I think that a huge bill does turn one off some. I don't think there's any way to make a rule about bill length, but I think 15 pages should be enough for anything. If it takes longer than that then maybe they're shoving too much into the bill and it shouldn't have so much included in one thing. I don't think he'd actually only read three page bills, I think he was just pointing out that its rediculous how long some of those things get. Note that I'm not a Cain supporter persay, I'm just saying that I think his idea makes sense in principle, make things readable and mannageable.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:48 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, I like "campaign hyperbole"; I'll accept that might be what it is in Cain's case, because he'd have to be reeeeely stupid to believe that. An awful lot has been said and is being said in order to get elected, going further over the line than I recall having seen before. You know, the "second amendment" bullshit and stuff like that.

As to campaign PROMISES, on the other hand, there's a big difference. In one case, the candidate KNOWS they're lying and is doing so in order to get votes, with no intention of following through (hyperbole). In the other--which I happen to believe was Obama's case with Gitmoand numerous other things--the candidate is saying something he'd really like to do, then finds out when in office that woops, it's not that easy (promise)! Obama said shortly after taking office, when asked what he'd been surprised to learn about the office, that it was "how little power the President really has". It's exactly why I didn't vote to nominate him; I thought he wasn't prepared for how hard it would be to accomplish anything and all the games he'd have to play, plus that he would be manipulated by the insiders. All three have come true, dammit.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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