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Fathers who use murder as revenge

POSTED BY: MAGONSDAUGHTER
UPDATED: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:07
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Friday, June 17, 2011 6:35 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I thought I'd post this as a counter to Hardware's story on the man who self immolated, because I think there are correlations.

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Since Arthur Freeman was found guilty of murdering his four-year-old daughter, Darcey, much of the media focus has been on the distress of fathers going through separation and custody disputes. There has been a call for more support for fathers.

However, we must ask ourselves whether we are losing sight of the victims and, more importantly, whether this is the best approach to preventing these deaths from occurring in the future.

While the community understandably struggles to comprehend a parent killing a child, our research shows that these are not inexplicable tragedies. There is a particular type of filicide (the killing of children by parents) that occurs in the context of the separation of the parents.

In these ''spousal revenge'' cases - as recognised by the Freeman jury - fathers kill their children to punish their ex-partners. There is usually no prior violence against the children. In fact, they appear to love their children. The act of killing is directed towards harming the child's mother. The motive is revenge.

In the case of Freeman and Robert Farquharson (found guilty of three counts of murder of his sons Bailey, Tyler and Jai, aged two to 10, who drowned in a dam near Winchelsea), both fathers indicated that they wished to punish their ex-partner. Shortly before killing Darcey, Freeman told his ex-wife to say goodbye to her children and that she would never see them again - clearly to make her suffer. Farquharson told a friend that he would make his ex-wife suffer by taking what mattered to her most - her children.

Contrary to some claims, these cases are not about fathers losing access to their children. The reality is that in both cases, the fathers had access to their children and, in both cases, killed them during it.

There is no logic to the thinking that if a person is distressed about not spending enough time with their kids they would decide to kill them.

If, however, they are consumed with anger and hatred towards their ex-partner and wish to hurt them, then it is, tragically, a very effective means to do so.

The killing of the children in such cases should be recognised as a form of violence against the mother. We need to explore the relationship between the parents in order to understand the killing of children. In particular, the father's attitudes and behaviour towards the mother before, and after, separation must be examined. VicHealth has clearly identified the underlying causes of violence against women as including belief in rigid gender roles and a masculine sense of entitlement.

What we really need to challenge is the sense of entitlement that some men have over their families, an entitlement that leads them to believe that their partner has no right to leave them and no right to form a new relationship, and that punishing her is justified because of the suffering they themselves experience.

The current focus of commentary suggests that men are victims of the family law system. The mothers seem to be implicitly blamed for the distress their partners experienced when they left them.

Let's be clear: the first and foremost victims here are the children whose lives are taken. The mothers, whose children have died in perhaps the worst way imaginable, are also the victims, as are remaining siblings and other family members. Darcey Freeman's mother, Peta Barnes, had expressed concerns about the safety of her children before Darcey's death. She also expressed concerns about Arthur Freeman's ''anger management issues'' and mood swings. It is important that such concerns are heard and responded to appropriately by a broad range of professionals coming into contact with separating parents, as well as by family and friends.

The family law process must make children's safety its absolute priority. Importantly, the federal government has a family law bill before Parliament that prioritises the safety of children in family law matters.

The Domestic Violence Resource Centre Victoria acknowledges that separation and family breakdown can be incredibly difficult for parents. Parents should be assisted to deal with separation and encouraged to take responsibility for their behaviour. As a community, we need to focus on building positive and respectful relationships.

We support the call for greater services and support. We ask that these services be equipped to identify and respond to risks to the safety and wellbeing of children and their parents. We need to ensure there is accurate and reliable screening and risk assessment for all forms of family violence. These cases demonstrate that the risk of harm to children is closely linked to risks of harm to the mother.

Cases such as Freeman's have a profound impact on the community and we are right to search for answers. Unfortunately, there has been very little research on parents who kill their children in the past decade in Australia. If we are to find ways to prevent these deaths, we need a far better understanding of why and how they occur.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/mens-murderous-re
venge-20110330-1cg80.html#ixzz1PbCXEfAR





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Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:21 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Plenty of em - mind you, this is still a mental health issue right up till a crime is committed, and to some degree even then cause if such a thing makes sense to a person they got something very wrong upstairs, yanno ?

Also, part of what fuels this is once again the concept of children-as-property instead of regarding them as people, even many parents still have this attitude, and it's made all the worse by our legal system and how screwed up it is.

I've been putting thought into this, but it's been a busy weekend, of sorts.

-F

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Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:16 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I posted this here really in as an argument against the current trend in blaming the 'system' when someone does something henious, like murder their children.

Its a hard one, though, isn't it, to work out mental health issues around sentencing. In both the bases mentioned above, and another one involving a mother, the aim was to punish the ex spouse by killing the children. And I think you are right, Frem, the point is that children are seen as chattels in these cases.

I work in this industry which is why I feel passionate about it. I have lots of parents coming to see me, saying they want 50% of their child. I feel like saying to them, 'well you think about which half you want, while I fetch the hacksaw'

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Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA



*snort*
Yeah, sometimes you have to laugh, just so you don't cry - gallows humor is about all we have, down in the rabbithole, sometimes.

And of course, I felt the need to respond in efforts to provoke discussion, although in all honesty it's unlikely cause as with so many things which expose the deep, profound ugliness that humans can be capable of in their extremes, no one WANTS to talk about it, and I'll tell you why.

They see the whole of the story, how it developed, how it came to that, and they think... "Fuck, there but for the grace of fortune, goeth I - that coulda been, could some day... be me!"
And they DO NOT WANT TO FACE THAT.
Nobody really likes to have their inner demons dredged up and the necessity of them confronting them, so they ignore and deny, pretend it all has nothing to do with them, focus on the external and never spare a thought to internal threats.

And that'll bite you on the ass, you let it - look at how Boromir, so terribly focused on more conventional threats that he couldn't take that stupid bit of pretty even the least bit seriously, wound up totally fucked over by it.

Anyhow, that's why when you bring up a topic like this, the only response is tumbleweeds and crickets, usually.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:26 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


That's really rutted up, right up there with setting yourself on fire, except its worse in this case because he hurt someone else, someone who had absolutely nothing to do with his hatred for his ex wife. I hope that he gets a really harsh sentence because this is beyond normal mental illness, this is really dangerous to society, antisocial personality disorder style and this guy needs to be away from people because he obviously has no qualms about killing for trivial reasons that are only related to the crime in the most conveluted of ways.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, there's my friend Paul, who allegedly shares joint custody of his young son with his ex-wife - an ex-wife who is now deeply into a methamphetamine addiction and general white-trash lifestyle. Paul has ACTUAL custody more than 95% of the time; his boy has never even spent a weekend with his mother since they split.

Still, Paul is required by the court to pay child support to his ex, in spite of him having what amounts to sole custody. And you know what? He doesn't care. He gladly pays it. Okay, maybe not "gladly", but he's okay with paying the money, because no matter what the paperwork SAYS, he gets his son the vast majority of the time, and has chances to teach him right from wrong, and gets to be the biggest part of his son's life. As he says, you can't put any price on that.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:39 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I'm glad your friend is raising his son, it sounds like he is a great dad and wants what is best for his child. There are a lot of great dads out there who raise their children and don't get enough agknowledgement, most men aren't evil creatures.

I do wish that there was a quick and easy way to change things though so the ex wife isn't getting all that money, because we all know what she's spending it on and it isn't her son.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm glad your friend is raising his son, it sounds like he is a great dad and wants what is best for his child. There are a lot of great dads out there who raise their children and don't get enough agknowledgement, most men aren't evil creatures.

I do wish that there was a quick and easy way to change things though so the ex wife isn't getting all that money, because we all know what she's spending it on and it isn't her son.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya




While he doesn't mind paying (well, doesn't mind THAT much - he views it as "buying time with his boy"), he's very methodical about documenting all this stuff - names, dates, times, places, keeping receipts, showing where it was HIM who was there at all times, not her, and he's definitely working towards taking all this stuff back into court for consideration, in an effort to get sole custody. And if it goes his way, the judge *MIGHT* even order his ex to start paying child support to HIM! It's rare, but it does happen; sometimes one party can even win an order of restitution against the other - it usually doesn't get them any money (because the other parent is a deadbeat already), but it puts a lien against any future windfall they might get.




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:34 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, there's my friend Paul, who allegedly shares joint custody of his young son with his ex-wife - an ex-wife who is now deeply into a methamphetamine addiction and general white-trash lifestyle. Paul has ACTUAL custody more than 95% of the time; his boy has never even spent a weekend with his mother since they split.

Still, Paul is required by the court to pay child support to his ex, in spite of him having what amounts to sole custody. And you know what? He doesn't care. He gladly pays it. Okay, maybe not "gladly", but he's okay with paying the money, because no matter what the paperwork SAYS, he gets his son the vast majority of the time, and has chances to teach him right from wrong, and gets to be the biggest part of his son's life. As he says, you can't put any price on that.




He could probably get that reviewed as well. Here if you change the amount of time you spend, it affects your CS. End up with people quibbling over a night which isn't pleasant as well. Basically if people could treat each other with respect even if they don't like each other, for the sake of the kids, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

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Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:07 AM

RIONAEIRE

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I wish your friend the very best Quicko and based on the info you've imparted I feel that mom should indeed be paying child support. It sounds like your friend knows what he's doing.

Like it or not, if two people have had a child together they will be bound to each other in a certain way for the rest of their lives. My parents don't like that idea, but I like to remind them. :) So because of that bind parents, especially when the child is young, need to learn how to be civil for the good of the child, its just common sense and apropriate adult behavior, to do otherwise is immature. The exception of course is if one parent is absent from the child's life, not involved at all. But usually it is best for both of them to have a part in the child's raising, barring certain circumstances of course.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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