Norway bombing/shooting by Niki2

In the aftermath of the twin attacks in Norway, there has been some strident criticism of the speed at which sections of the media linked the attacks to Islamic terrorism.

For example Britain's best-selling The Sun newspaper published a banner headline on Saturday describing the attack as an "Al Qaeda massacre: Norway's 9/11".

By the time the newspaper hit the streets Norwegian police had dismissed any links between the attacker and the jihadist group.

Critics say it is just one example of an entrenched anti-Muslim bias that has developed in the media since the September 11 attacks.

The Macquarie Dictionary defines a terrorist as someone who uses or favours terrorising methods of resisting a government or of governing.

So at first glance the alleged attacker in Norway, who killed at least 93 people and wounded nearly 100 more in Friday's attacks, seems to fit the bill.

His methods clearly terrorised and his message was overtly political.

But it seems the dictionary definition of a terrorist is no longer what is in common usage, at least in some sectors of the media.

"Particularly many of the tabloids and ... the tabloid news sites like to interpret mass acts of terrorism, mass violence, through the prism of Muslim terrorism," said Anthony McClellan, the principal of AMC Media.

"In other words [they assume] the only real big-style terrorists are Muslims. The brand of terrorism is totally linked in their minds to Muslims and what they do.

"The fundamental problem they had was that they got it wrong, which defeats the whole purpose of being accurate journalists and running an accurate media."

Mr McClellan, a former television current affairs reporter, says it is not only the tabloid media - the BBC and other organisations do it as well.

"I believe the Guardian probably engaged in speculation. I think it's more pronounced at the tabloid end," he said.

"But I think they're all guilty of it to that same degree because part of the problem is that those journalists or the editors putting up those headlines ... want to give a very simplistic interpretation of a complex world."

Mr McClellan is not alone in his criticism of the media's reaction.

Blogger and Brown University historian Shiva Balaghi described it as a shameful day for journalism and criticised journalists' reliance on so-called terrorism experts who she says "conduct research by Google" and "tweet a mile a minute".
Quick, simple news

Mr McClellan says the pressure to provide viewers, listeners and readers with a quick, simplistic interpretation has been intensified by the arrival of much more immediate online news and social media.

"It is a conscious effort at that end of the market to feed in what they think their readers want to believe and their prejudices," Mr McClellan said.

But there can be some unintended consequences, according to Julie Posetti, a journalism lecturer at the University of Canberra who has studied the impact of media coverage on Muslims.

"I think it was probably reasonable for people to ask questions about the likely nature of the attacks," she said.

"But asking questions and drawing conclusions and then fanning those conclusions without a skerrick of evidence was irresponsible.

"And more than irresponsible in terms of good journalism practice, it's potentially very damaging to Muslims and people of Muslim background around the world."

In the streets of Oslo on Saturday many Muslims worried the finger of blame would be pointed at them.

Some say they stayed at home, fearing they would suffer some form of reprisal.

"That doesn't surprise me," Ms Posetti said.

"Some of the research I've done has involved interviewing and surveying Muslim women in the Australian setting, particularly focusing on Muslim women.

"Those who adopt traditional Muslim dress, the hijab or the burka, for example, find themselves being ... the visual shorthand for Muslim and often are seen to represent - ridiculously - Islamic terrorism on the streets."
Oklahoma bombings

It is not the first time there has been a rush to judgment about who was behind a terrorist attack.

Waleed Aly, a lecturer in the Global Terrorism Research Centre at Monash University, draws comparisons to the reaction to the Oklahoma bombings.

"The Oklahoma City bombings in the United States in 1995 had a similar phenomenon happen where the media immediately came out and started talking about this as though it was likely to be a Middle Eastern plot," he said.

"What it does show is that the coupling of terrorism and Muslims in the public imagination and in the media discourse around terrorism is really solidly entrenched."

That is despite there being far fewer Islamic terrorist attacks each year than there are non-Islamic attacks.

"If you stop describing it as terrorism and you start describing it as being the work of a crazy madman, a lone gunman, as though we can we can kind of dismiss it or write it off as some kind of aberration, then we run into problems," Mr Aly said.

"We're unable to formulate meaningful analyses of terrorism because we just factor out all these important episodes. And really it just compromises our entire discourse and our policy response."

Ms Posetti says journalists simply have to do their job properly.

"It's about proportion and fact-checking and really the responsibility on journalists, which is where I come from, is to essentially provide context and explain and to challenge stereotypes," she said.

A new poll by Essential Media has found there has been a big slump in the public's trust of commercial media in recent months.

Mr McClellan says unless editorial standards rise substantially that trust will only erode further.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:42 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

1. Norway has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

2. The only reason this guy stopped firing was because he was out of bullets.

3. The cops took over 2 hours to arrive.

4. Over 90 dead.

If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.

Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:56 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

You can postulate all you want on the "one more gun" theory, but there's one fact you can't refute: If there had been only one LESS gun there, this couldn't have happened.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 2:23 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
1. Norway has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

2. The only reason this guy stopped firing was because he was out of bullets.

3. The cops took over 2 hours to arrive.

4. Over 90 dead.

If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.

Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Norway has a high level of gun ownership. They just have strict laws on licencing and how you keep them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

Norway has a relatively low crime rate.
This was a camp on an island with young people.
You cannot predict lone wolf violence.
Not everyone wants to be armed to the teeth to prevent the kind of thing that there is 1:1000000000000000 odds of happening.

You are a dick.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 2:52 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"You are a dick" -Magonsdaughter

Translation: "You are correct, but I can't stand it when someone pokes holes in my worldview of how things are/should be. Since I cannot argue against the basic principle of self-protection, I'll just call you a name."

FIFY

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, July 25, 2011 6:51 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Magon's

Are you old enough to remember MAD (mutually assured destruction)? Yes, that was a happy time (not) - two countries armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of a simple accident.

That is the society these people want, everyone armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of simple accident.

That they WANT this thing, thinks it's GOOD speaks volumes about the mentality behind the vision.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 6:58 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Magon's

Are you old enough to remember MAD (mutually assured destruction)? Yes, that was a happy time (not) - two countries armed to the teeth ready to annihilate or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of a simple accident.

That is the society these people want, everyone armed to the teeth ready to annihilated or be annihilated at a moment's notice, death hanging over everyone at the whim of madmen or a result of simple accident.

That they WANT this thing, thinks it's GOOD speaks volumes about the mentality behind the vision."

lol

Ok... heres the deal. You are free to go about your daily life, unarmed. Live your life, without a gun, as you see fit.

I, will go about my life, armed. Live my life as I see fit.

I won't force you to have a gun, and you cannot (even if you wanted to, and got the politicians to back you) force me not to.

To be unarmed is a choice you can make, while being armed is a choice I WILL make.

Thats about it.

See? You get to live your life, and I get to live mine, as we see fit to do so.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, July 25, 2011 7:12 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I won't bother to point out all the times you berated people for doing NOTHING just because they weren't going to go in to a situation guns blazing. Or about how guns were the solution to an illegitimate presidency. Or about how we were cowards for not joining in the armed revolt ready to happen any day now! You very much see guns as the ultimate solution to every problem on your horizon. And no, you are not nearly as live and let live 'to each his own' as you NOW want us to think you are.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 7:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Riona, everything you said. And more. I can't conceive of the grief going on in Norway today; nobody deserves that. The kids were teenagers, from what I've read.

Magons,

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But it also suggested that the movement was weak, lacked a central leader and offered relatively modest growth potential. Disorganised and chaotic.

Gee, sounds like our Tea Party.

This guy is nothing but a mentally screwed-up coward who'll go after kids. He wants attention, and unfortunately now he'll get it. The only thing I can say is that by his actions he will unite the country against all of his ilk. Not worth the price, but shows just exactly how far these right-wing extremists will go in their insanity. The pendulum will swing, it always does, it's just a shame how much damage these people do before they're stopped.

PN, all you're good for is making my scrolling finger sore. Your love of drama and horror is truly sad and I wish you could get some help. You have nothing to offer of any validity.

Wulf

Quote:
Translation: "You are correct, but I can't stand it when someone pokes holes in my worldview of how things are/should be. Since I cannot argue against the basic principle of self-protection, I'll just call you a name."

FIFY

Oh, thank you; you get the prize for the first guffaw of the morning!

Aside from that, you're unimportant enough not to need responding to.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, July 25, 2011 8:28 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You can postulate all you want on the "one more gun" theory, but there's one fact you can't refute: If there had been only one LESS gun there, this couldn't have happened.

One less gun would have made no difference, since the shooter had at least 3 guns.

Fake Facebook page of alleged shooter was uploaded AFTER his arrest

UPDATE: THE FACEBOOK PAGE POSTED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA IN ENGLISH IS NOT THE REAL WEBPAGE OF THE SHOOTER. JEWISH FACEBOOK DELETED THE SHOOTER'S WEBPAGE IN THE NORWEGIAN LANGUAGE AFTER THE SHOOTING. THIS ENGLISH VERSION DELETING HIS LIBERAL ZIONIST ISRAEL-LOVING POLITICS WAS REPLACED BY AN ALLEGED "CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN" AND POSTED ON FACEBOOK AFTER THE SHOOTER'S ARREST. POLICE KNEW THE SHOOTER'S NAME BEFORE ARRESTING HIM, AND CALLED HIM BY NAME DURING THE ARREST WITHOUT SHOOTING HIM AT THE CRIME SCENE. POLICE GAVE THE SHOOTERS 90 MINUTES TO COMPLETE THEIR JOB, ALLOWING OTHER SHOOTERS TO ESCAPE. THE SHOOTER ADMITTED HE IS PART OF A LARGE CONSPIRACY OF CELLS, YET POLICE AND MEDIA ARE ALLEGING HE'S A LONE NUT. THE SHOOTER'S ALLEGED 1,500-PAGE MANIFESTO WAS COPIED VERBATIM FROM THE MANIFESTO OF TED "UNABOMBER" KAZINSKI WHO WAS ADMITTEDLY A CIA MIND CONTROL VICTIM DONATED AS A MEDICAL EXPERIMENT BY HIS PARENTS. WHY KILL 100 WHITE ARYAN CHILDREN WHO WILL BE LEADERS OF A WHITE NATION, WHEN YOU ARE ALLEGEDLY AGAINST DARK-HAIRED DARK-SKINNED FOREIGNERS? THE NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER IS JEWISH. THE SHOOTER TRAVELED TO ENGLAND FOR PROGRAMMING BY MI6 WHO RUNS THE IRA TERROR BOMBERS IN BRITAIN.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-e
xplosion-live-coverage.html
http://www.infowars.com/police-knew-gunmans-name-before-arrest/
http://www.infowars.com/analyzing-the-oslo-attacks-part-three-more-inf
ormation-and-even-more-unclear/

Liberal Neo-Con pro-Israel pro-gay Norwegian language Facebook page deleted after arrest, did NOT say he was a Christian conservative, DID say he admired jew Winston Churchill
http://www.infowars.com/anders-behring-breivik-manufacturing-a-patsy/

Fake English language Facebook page uploaded after his arrest with Liberal Neo-Con pro-Israel pro-gay comments replaced with "Christian conservative" comments, someone is active on Breivik’s Facebook accepting friend requests after the massacre took place
http://www.infowars.com/anders-behring-breivik-manufacturing-a-patsy/

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During his Channel 4 News broadcast on Friday evening, kosher host Jon Snow asked “why police knew the killer’s name by the time they had arrived on the island,” reported the Telegraph live blog.

“He surrendered the moment police called his name 3 minutes after they arrived. What we don’t know is how the police knew the terrorist’s name before they arrested him,” said Snow, who is recognized as one of Britain’s most trusted news anchors, and cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8659028/Oslo-e
xplosion-live-coverage.html

Oslo Bombing: Why Would “Terrorists” Attack Near-Empty Office Building on Public Holiday?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/norway-blast-near-prime-ministers-office-i
n-oslo.html

As a Freemason no other Mason is allowed to convict him. If convicted he faces a max 3 months in jail for each murder.

RFID News reported that a chain of North American indoor water park hotels are using RFID wristbands to allow guests to take photos at kiosks, which are then automatically uploaded to their kosher CIA Mossad Facebook profiles
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Facebook--Pied-Piper-of-t-by-Andrew
-Steele-110721-566.html

Captain America and the New World Order attacks NORWAY for Predictive Programming
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/24/predictive-programming-captain-ameri
ca-blockbuster-scripts-attack-on-norway-before-it-happens/

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Monday, July 25, 2011 8:49 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

In the aftermath of the twin attacks in Norway, there has been some strident criticism of the speed at which sections of the media linked the attacks to Islamic terrorism.

For example Britain's best-selling The Sun newspaper published a banner headline on Saturday describing the attack as an "Al Qaeda massacre: Norway's 9/11".

Proof that nothing the media says can be believed. This "Lone Nut Revolution" is about as grassroots as the CIA's Facebook Revolutions by Muslims in Africa and the Mid East.

Quote:
"Having been in the radio/Television/Film Industry since 1982, 5 of those years working at a small market TV station, let me tell you to only believe 10% of what you hear over the air waves. Stories about criminals are big ratings' boost and if they involve a celebrity, it's even better. if they can link a respected organization, add bonus points. I'm not saying that TV stations lie, but reporting selected facts in a very specific order leaves an audience with a 'feeling'. It's the feeling that they work for, not becasue it is the truth, but you recall WHERE you got that 'feeling' ... ratings. Ratings equal viewers and viewers equal rates for commercial sales. I have no personal information about the reporters at the View, but I do know reporters and what their job description entails. So, bottom line, don't pass judgement on ANYONE based upon a news story."
http://www.twtex.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10077.html

Al Qaeda has never attacked anything, and does not exist. It's a database of employees of CIA/MI6. Al Qaeda was founded by Polish-American jew Zbigniew Brezinski and is now run by American heavy-metal ADL jew Adam Perlman.

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FBI will pay you $1-million to arrest American Jewish ADL AllCIAduh spokesman Adam Gadahn Perlman

"The FBI added Adam Gadahn to the Most Wanted Terrorist list and the U.S. State Department is offering a reward up to $1 million for his arrest. A 28-year-old California man has been indicted on federal charges of treason and providing material support to a terrorist group for making a series of propaganda videotapes for al Qaeda, including one in which he praised the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks. 'Adam Gadahn represents a new breed of home-grown extremist, who has chosen to betray the country of his birth,' FBI Executive Assistant Director Willie Hulon said during a press conference Wednesday in Washington, D.C."
-FBI Most Wanted
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm

American al Qaeda member Adam Gadahn Perlman acknowledges Jewish ancestry
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/13/american.qaeda.message/index
.html

"In Sept of last year, Adam Gadahn [aka Adam Perlman], the son of Jewish parents, the son of Jewish grandparents [who are on the board of directors of Jewish ADL] in Southern California, who himself converted to Islam, went on to become Osama Bin Laden's spokesman."
-Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA), Jewish chairman
Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
CSPAN, Use of the Internet by Terrorists: Using the Web as a Weapon for 9/11 Truth, November 6, 2007
http://www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

Jew Rep Jane Harman Caught on NSA Tape Agreeing to Lobby for Israel Spies = TREASON
www.republicbroadcasting.org/?p=1364
youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

"By way of deception, we shall wage war."
-Mossad motto

Barack Hussein Obama's and President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski (the jewish founder of Al Qaeda) visiting 'his boy', Osama Bin Laden, in training with the Pakistan Army, 1981. Photo originally scanned from the New York Village Voice. Photo credited to the Sygma/Corbis Agency, Paris
www.nysun.com/national/despite-criticism-obama-stands-by-adviser/62534/

Quote:
"Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing of Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists) was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, Jan, 1998

"I've learned an immense amount from Dr. Brzezinski."
-Hussein Obama, 12 Sept 2007

Quote:
"I endorsed Obama."
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, MSNBC

Quote:
"Barak Obama’s mother lived in Pakistan for five years. It is quite clear that Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, did indeed work and live in Pakistan as a consultant to the Asian Development Bank (ADB), working on a project in Gujranwalla. During this time, Barack Obama also visited his mother and stayed for a few months. Mrs. Ann Dunham was hired as a consultant by the Asian Development Bank for Pakistan Agricultural Development Bank's Gujranwalla Agricultural Development Program. This program began in 1987 and ended in 1992. Barack Obama visited Pakistan for longer than any U.S. President or presidential candidate ever has. As so many college students do, he seemed eager to see the world. He was in Karachi in 1981 as a young student, returning from a visit to his mother in Indonesia. According to a New York Times report: Mr. Obama also spoke about having traveled to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Because of that trip, which he did not mention in either of his autobiographical books, 'I knew what Sunni and Shia was before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,' he said.' According to his campaign staff, Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. In Dreams from My Father, he talks of having a Pakistani roommate when he moved to New York, a man he calls Sadik who â€œhad overstayed his tourist visa and now made a living in New York's high-turnover, illegal immigrant work force, waiting on tables.' During his years at Occidental College, Mr. Obama also befriended Wahid Hamid, a fellow student who was an immigrant from Pakistan and traveled with Mr. Obama there, the Obama campaign said. Mr. Hamid is now a vice president at Pepsico in New York, and according to public records, has donated the maximum $2,300 to the Obama campaign and is listed as a fund-raiser for it. Of course, he was only 18 when he arrived at the small liberal arts college nicknamed 'Oxy.' His freshman roommates were Imad Husain, a Pakistani, who’s now a Boston banker. As a freshman, he quickly became friends with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, two wealthy Pakistanis. In 1981, Obama transferred from Occidental to Columbia. In between, he traveled to Pakistan – a trip that enhanced his foreign policy qualifications, he maintained in a private speech at a San Francisco fundraiser last month. Obama spent 'about three weeks' in Pakistan, traveling with Hamid and staying in Karachi with Chandoo’s family, said Bill Burton, Obama’s press secretary."
-All Things Pakistan, Barack Obama’s Pakistan Connections, September 1, 2008
http://pakistaniat.com/2008/09/01/barak-obama-pakistan/

Pastor Manning: Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Worked for CIA, Al Qaeda and Taliban Dealing Heroin in Pakistan, Never Graduated from College:

Quote:
"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County Emergency 911 Dispatch, BOLO Be On the Lookout, Knoxville, Tennessee, September 11, 2001, 11am EST (Jewish Mossad agents dressed as Arabs celebrating the 9/11 attacks at Ground Zero)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm

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Monday, July 25, 2011 11:10 AM

PENGUIN

Norway shooting: Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth
Glenn Beck, the leading Right-wing American broadcaster, has prompted outrage after comparing the teenage victims of the Utoya Island massacre to the Hitler Youth.

Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.

Beck, a multimillionaire darling of the Tea Party movement, said on his nationally-syndicated radio show: "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

Torbjørn Eriksen, a former press secretary to Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister, described the comment as "a new low" for the broadcaster, who has frequently been forced to apologise for offensive remarks.

"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," he told The Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington-based campaign group, said the remark by Beck, a free agent after being forced out of the Fox News channel earlier this year, was "absolutely disgusting".

Beck's controversial statements and conspiracy-filled rants have made him one of the most divisive figures in US politics and media in recent years.

Last year he said he regretted calling Barack Obama a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture". He later apologised for mocking Mr Obama's young daughter Malia.
In February he apologised to Reform Judaism, a group that campaigns for the modernisation of the Jewish faith, after comparing them to "radicalised Islam".

But he refused to apologise in May after mock-vomiting on his live TV show following a cancer-awareness advert starring a nude Meghan McCain, the daughter of Senator John McCain.
Beck said that Miss McMcCain, whose father survived cancer before running for the US presidency, should "wear a burka" because she was apparently unattractive.

Despite Beck expressing surprise that political movements would hold camps for children, followers of his 9/12 Project – which aims to "recapture the spirit of the day after America was attacked" – have this summer been doing just that.

Organisers of the "vacation liberty schools" in several states told the Daily Telegraph how they taught children as young as eight a Tea Party-endorsed curriculum spanning religion, economics and political principles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway
-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Monday, July 25, 2011 11:40 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14285020

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

STILL waiting for SOMEONE to explain to me how "gun-control" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of good people) SAVES lives.

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, July 25, 2011 11:41 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Monday, July 25, 2011 12:08 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Haven't we had this chumming before with Loughner? You know, the attempt to shift focus and blame from a rightwing white male nutcase 'patriot' with a gun to ANYwhere else?

AURAPTOR
Govt building bombed ? Why, it must have been some angry white christian. Again. We know how they do, after all.

AURAPTOR
"Global Jihad" group says it's behind Oslo blast
Huh.

AURAPTOR
If it turns out to really be as reported, then that's 1 for the Christians, to how many hundreds, thousands, for the Muslims ? All it means is that there are others willing to stoop to such barbaric levels, and now the Islamic Jihadists have company.

AURAPTOR
Beslan

AURAPTOR
The report came out, not by me, that a muslim group had claimed responsibility.
Why would they do such a thing, if they weren't the ones behind it ?

WULFENSTAR
If even ONE other person there had a weapon, things might have been different.
Can't wait to see how this gets spun into needing MORE gun control.

Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth

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Monday, July 25, 2011 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
STILL waiting for SOMEONE to explain to me how "gun-control" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of good people) SAVES lives.

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

As I pointed out to you earlier, Norway has high gun ownership. If you knew anything worth knowing you might actually one day understand that issues that are important in the US are not always important in other parts of the world. The gun ownership issue is a non event in most western countries. They want to own guns, they don't want to own guns. They seem to manage to legislate or not around this issue without the endless hyperbole and chest thumping that is typical in the US.

Not the issue.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
STILL waiting for SOMEONE to explain to me how "gun-control" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of good people) SAVES lives.

lol

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Odd that you characterize this guy as "good people", Wulfie.

Tells us a lot about where your head's at.

The idea of "gun control" is to keep guns out of the hands of BAD people. You know - people like you, Laughner, and Breivik here.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 12:55 PM

America loves a winner!

Loughner ? He has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in Oslo. Why even bring his name into this ? He was anything BUT a right winger. He was a LEFT WINGER, and more than anything, a nut case.

Tim McVeigh ? Raised Catholic, but was all but agnostic , by the time he pulled off the OK City attack. Even said so himself, so spare us all your tedious, pointless attempts to suggest otherwise.

Not sure what your point is in posting a summery of my comments. You don't dare try to come to any coherent conclusion, because you're not smart enough to do so. I'd revisit and explain every one of those comments( I still stand by each and every one ), but my efforts would be wasted on you.

I gots better stuff to do.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:06 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yep, Rap is STILL incoherent. And rather than try and explain himself (which is apparently too difficult a task for him) he walks away - again. Poor Rap. Life must be very unhappy for him since he can never seem to grasp his own posts.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:06 PM

Actually, Loughner's a registered Republican.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:07 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yep, Rap is STILL incoherent. And rather than try and explain himself (which is apparently too difficult a task for him) he walks away - again. Poor Rap. Life must be very unhappy for him since he can't even grasp his own posts.

His standard response will be "You're not worth my response".

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:11 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Waco Libtards: "This is not a NATO Mossad assault with full-auto machine guns, bombs and flamethrowers"

It's wrong if you kill 100 kids, but it's ok if the govt does it...or kill millions.

Waco Rules of Engagement: Shoot everyone trying to escape the flames
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6765137779810391299

Mossad, CIA and NATO Attack Democracy in Oslo, Norway
http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/mossad-cia-and-nato-a
ttack-democracy-in.html

Israeli Connection To Oslo Attacks
http://rense.com/general94/poss.htm

GILAD ATZMON: MASSACRE IN NORWAY-- MORE ABOUT THE JEWISH RIGHT WING CONNECTION
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-massacre-in-norway-more-a
bout-the-jewish-right.html

"Lone Nut" shot 183 sheeple in Norway (ignore the eyewitnesses hearing 2 shooters on opposites sides of the island)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9761756

Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik called Gordon Brown and Prince Charles 'traitors'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658431/Norway
-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-called-Gordon-Brown-and-Prince-Charles-traitors.html

1,500 page book allegedly by Norwegian shooter was written in perfect ENGLISH after being recruited by 90 "terror cells" in ENGLAND where MI5/6 runs all IRA bombings in UK and runs Euro bombings for Operation Gladio
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658431/Norway
-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-called-Gordon-Brown-and-Prince-Charles-traitors.html

Hunt for Britons linked to Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658664/Hunt-f
or-Britons-linked-to-Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik.html

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:14 PM

MINCINGBEAST

So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:41 PM

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Pretty much. They've both done more than their fair share of violence and murder, and are both pretty much useless to any thinking person.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:43 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:

So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Hard to agree when the alleged shooter was a liberal gay jew-lover of israel wanting to kill Arab foreigners, so instead he killed only white Norwegian citizens, and allegedly wrote his words in English because he hated Norwegian language...

A little electroshock from MI6 works wonders...

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:45 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Pretty much. They've both done more than their fair share of violence and murder, and are both pretty much useless to any thinking person.

Yes, and in Lefty world, 1 = 10,000.

Exactly the same, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:46 PM

MINCINGBEAST

PN, no need to use "gay" and "jew" in the same sentence. They're synonyms. Trust me, I'm a jew, and I long for the dong, hunger for the schlong, and suffer from jism-enthusiasm and ass madness.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
So, can we all agree that now since a blonde, right-wing Christian asshole has killed some innocents, that Islam=Christianity?

Pretty much. They've both done more than their fair share of violence and murder, and are both pretty much useless to any thinking person.

Yes, and in Lefty world, 1 = 10,000.

Exactly the same, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

As I pointed out before, Hitler killed tens of millions in the name of Christianity. I've yet to see any Muslim leader manage so high a body count.

They're not "exactly the same"; if anything, Christianity has by far the larger body count.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, July 25, 2011 2:21 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Indeed, Mikey - but here's the thing those dipshits can't seem to address.

The bastard picked a remote location and took out the officer(s) protecting it first, while deliberately targeting kids - not really something additional firearms were gonna help given that he WAS dressed like a cop and exploited that as well.

What I find ironic is that certain folk around here have the bloody nerve to act all appalled and revolted when the exact same rhetoric this shitheel believed in comes out of their mouths on a regular basis, up to and including hinting at stuff like this, but never quite having the guts to say it.

THIS is the natural conclusion of the RESULTS of that rhetoric, those beliefs - are you LISTENING, you perfidous, enabling fucks?

Lemme guess, offering lip service with one hand, while patting yourselves on the back with the other ?

And folks wonder why I have such a hate-on for the rightwingnuts, *sigh* - yeah verily, I DO consider it a mental illness, cause left unchecked, here's where it goes.
How is that not insanity, again ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, July 25, 2011 4:52 PM

Well, Frem, bear in mind that our very own Wulfie here has, on numerous occasions, stated that once he and his buddies got their way, they were going to "make us pay", and that all those others would get only what he gave them. And remember as well that he has claimed that he wanted to gather up all the "liberals" along with all the "illegals" and have them all killed or deported.

So far from condemning this right-wing Christo-fascist wing-nut, Wulfie-boy here wants to grow up to be JUST LIKE HIM.

Of course, he also threatened to fill me full of forty-caliber holes for disagreeing with him.

How very libertarian of him, eh?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, July 25, 2011 8:07 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Frem, you're always talking about how you want everything to be destroyed, how is it any different when Wulf says it? Note that I understand that you want different things, but you're both very vitriolic and it can come across similarly to someone scanning the thread, some mean words here, an insult there, you know. Just sayin.

Wulf: I see what you're _trying to say about if someone else had a gun there they could have shot the badguy. But as others have said people are allowed to own firearms in Norway so the point doesn't really head in the direction you're thinking of. But I know what you meant.

Magon's, yeah, the media is notorious for assumptions and thus they get the people all worked up and thinking that way too. They put together the limited facts that they had and tried to make them explain the situation, but it didn't work right because they assumed and didn't have all the facts yet.

PN has a point about Waco, sure I don't mind the cult leader guy dying, but killing all those kids and then justifying it by saying that since the government did it then its okay and expecting people to go along with it quietly is horrid. I think he's trying to say he wonders why people get upset about this random shooter lunatic stuff but when the government does it people just go along with it and don't make a fuss. Good point PN.

As for political camps for kids, I think they exist here too, I'm sure there's something like Future Progressives of America camp or something, though I've never seen anything about such a thing, but there probably is something like that, so it isn't fair to immediately jump to "Hitler Youth" and say that out loud on the air. I definitely would never send my kids to a camp that pertains to a political party, I'd find it a lil' creepy, but I'd never say that out loud on the air in front of everyone, especially after a tragedy like this. They were kids no matter what the camp was it was full of kids. If he has a problem then he should have killed all the grownups meeting for pre camp briefings, if he was hell bent on killing, something that is silly anyways in this situation.

I hope the Norwegians climb out of the pansy patch on this one and either lock him up forever or go ahead and institute a death penalty option if he's convicted, because this is horrible and can't be allowed to happen again, if he just gets 20 years then when he gets out he'll do it again.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:30 AM

SKYDIVELIFE

Kwicko wrote: "The idea of "gun control" is to keep guns out of the hands of BAD people. You know - people like you, Laughner, and Breivik here."

I have to disagree on this point.

I'm not a fan of gun control. Yes, I think weapons should be kept out of the hands of "bad" people. Yet, who determines who is "bad"?

Is a felon who has served their time, considered "bad"? I thought the whole point of jail, was to "pay your debt" to society. Afterwards, you are supposed to be "square with the house".

Determining who is "bad" is a very slippery slope. You don't like someone; their views, philosophies, race, sexual orientation, religion... and suddenly they are the "bad" guys.

Not to mention that anyone who wants a gun, will be able to get one... somehow or the other.

I'm also really concerned with this new push towards mental/emotional profiling in gun-control as well. You may feel depressed for a bit, go in for some counseling, and get better. Because of this you are banned from owning a machine to protect your life? Does that make sense?

Maybe you are a nervous wreck because you got car jacked? You go in for help. But by doing so, you are banned from owning a machine that might make you feel/be safer.

To quote Mal (with a little bit o change) "Waiting for someone to save you, is a long wait for a train that don't come."

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:52 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Gawd, how awful! Why Norway, we wondered??

Events like this always make me check the 24 hour PirateNews tracking device we implanted in his anus during his last abduction.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Writing with sore scrolling finger (sigh...), I think it's hysterical that Beck (who wanted to be back in the spotlight, so came up with the most inflammatory think he could think of) compared it to Hitlr Youth when

Quote:
Despite Beck expressing surprise that political movements would hold camps for children, followers of his 9/12 Project – which aims to "recapture the spirit of the day after America was attacked" – have this summer been doing just that.

Organisers of the "vacation liberty schools" in several states told the Daily Telegraph how they taught children as young as eight a Tea Party-endorsed curriculum spanning religion, economics and political principles.

I'm quite happy to let our ignoramuses represent right-wing extremists, as it helps to remind me what their ilk IS so I don't take them seriously, and I'm not about to bite on Wulf's bloodthirsty desire to make everything about guns, or Raptor's desperate attempts to find ways to blame Muslims and liberals. Let 'em rant I say; it's amusing, if nothing else, and a constant reminder of the mentality.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:43 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Riona, the point is I want them to destroy EACH OTHER, instead of us - if you could lock up all these extremist, intolerant, hating cretins in a cage and let them fight it out till only one remains, I'd friggin riverdance to the bodies hitting the floor, you bet - and then shoot the lucky "winner" in the head!

To me this ain't about who he did it to or why, as it seems to be to some, who may not admit it, but it shows, that their primary *issue* with it wasn't WHAT he did, but who and how...

No, to me, this is shit you should NEVER do, to ANYONE, and I realize it may come across as somewhat hypocritical, but remember I am speaking of folk who have already MADE the decision to engage in conduct like this, if they can only get away with it, if they can only justify it, or if they can get some kind of political "Authorization" - cause really, what's the difference between this guy, and one of our troops to signed up to "kill those damn sand n***er raghead muslim fucks!" shooting up falluah ?

Really, what, official sanction ?
Fuckin meaningless - cause war is nothing more than the systematic, organized murder of folks who mostly don't even have a dog in the fight beyond defending their own turf and lives.

To point a weapon with intent at someone you do not know, have never met, has never yet done any harm to you, and fire it - there's NO excuse for that act in my book whatsoever, and those that do so, or desire to do so if they can only get some from of sanction for their murderous impulse...
Yeah, I DO think the only cure for such Jackals is a rope, they deserve no better.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:56 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

As I pointed out before, Hitler killed tens of millions in the name of Christianity.

No, he didn't. But you'll try to use that fairy tale to off set the reality of the global jihadists of our time.

My only question is - why ?

I think it must be some glitch in the Liberal mind, which absolutely insists that all things be equal. If Muslims are bad, its' because Christians were bad, or ARE equally bad, despite the lack of evidence.

It's like Obama blowing up the US deficit, then whining about how the GOP won't 'compromise' in fixing the mess HE himself caused.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:01 PM

You have a funny sense of reality, Rappy. I already posted Hitler's own quotes about his religion and what he felt his mission on Earth was. This was settled long ago, despite your inability to face the truth.

And you can't face the truth about your own party's role in creating the debt crisis, either. Obama didn't go out and put the nation 14 trillion in debt all on his own. In fact, well under 20% of that debt has anything to do with Obama.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:49 PM

America loves a winner!

Sorry, I don't recognize tax cuts as a 'cost'. That money doesn't belong to the govt, and so it's not theirs to count as belonging to them, before it gets 'contributed'.

No idea where that graph you posted comes from, but it's laughably inaccurate.

And yes, Hitler's motivation was settled long ago, and Christianity had next to nothing to do with his wanting to conquer the world. But nice try.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:14 AM

BYTEMITE

You know, bizarre satanic mason atheist stuff aside, some of the information PN put up about the drills before this attack is rather compelling.

I think, even though the suspect is in custody, we may never know what really happened here. Much like a number of other still mysterious attacks.

I've been avoiding this thread because for a while there the world was just getting too dark for me. Extremists of any sort targeting kids. I could speculate on the psychology, family, and history/profile of a person who might do something like this, but I'll leave it there and just say that Frem's point about how we treat kids is right, and this is just a symptom of how sick society in general has become.

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry, I don't recognize tax cuts as a 'cost'. That money doesn't belong to the govt, and so it's not theirs to count as belonging to them, before it gets 'contributed'.

It was listed as projected revenue before Bush decided to give those tax breaks to the rich. If you're going to cut future revenue and not cut corresponding spending, you are indeed incurring a "cost".

You saying that it wasn't a "cost" because it wasn't theirs to count is like me saying that any projected deficits aren't real, because the government hasn't spent that money yet, so there's no deficit.

It's voodoo economics, just like everything else you believe in.

Quote:

No idea where that graph you posted comes from, but it's laughably inaccurate.

Government Accounting Office.

Quote:

And yes, Hitler's motivation was settled long ago, and Christianity had next to nothing to do with his wanting to conquer the world. But nice try.

As I showed before, Hitler's motivations were laid out very clearly in his own writings and speeches, and were 100% tied to his Christianity. I'm not asking you to take MY word for it; I'm asking you to take HIS word.

Hey, if Bin Laden said he was doing all his bullshit for Islam, you'd believe him, right?

Odd that you refuse to believe your beloved Christo-fascists when they plainly state why they're doing what they're doing.

This idiot right-winger in Norway plainly stated that he was murdering unarmed children in furtherence of his Christian beliefs. You can choose not to believe him if you like, but it seems more than just a little hypocritical of you to take one guy's explanation at face value, and not another's.

But we're all used to your hypocrisy anyway, so just stick with that.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA

HELL YES.
Stoltenberg just showed that he prolly has more sense in his pinky than all of OUR so-called leaders collected.

Quote:
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg vowed Wednesday that the twin terror attacks that have stunned his country will not intimidate Norway and that his countrymen will fight back with "more democracy."

Norwegians will defend themselves by showing they are not afraid of violence and by participating more broadly in politics, he told reporters.

"It's absolutely possible to have an open, democratic, inclusive society, and at the same time have security measures and not be naive," he said.

Stoltenberg underlined his commitment to openness, defending freedom of thought even if includes extremist views such as those held by the 32-year-old Norwegian who confessed to Friday's bomb blast at government headquarters and to the shooting massacre at a Labor Party youth camp hours later. At least 76 people were killed.

"We have to be very clear to distinguish between extreme views, opinions — that's completely legal, legitimate to have. What is not legitimate is to try to implement those extreme views by using violence," he said.

"I think what we have seen is that there is going to be one Norway before and one Norway after July 22," he said. "But I hope and also believe that the Norway we will see after will be more open, a more tolerant society than what we had before."

THAT *is* the correct response, don't burn down the castle to protect it, don't discard the principles you're defending - stick to your guns and stand UP for them, all the way, as a spit in the eye to would be tyrants large and small.

Again, Kindness and Mercy as WEAPONS, to fight hate, intolerance, and violence.

My greatest fear was that this would push Norway into the same kind of idiotic security-theatre state we've become, and now that is much alleviated - but of course, they're as a rule a saner society, for many reasons, not the least of which is they're far more in line with what I wrote about regarding the treatment of people AS human beings.
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083_2137380,00.html

Again, it's very simple - DO NOT COMPLY, don't give the bastards what they want, don't become like them, don't give in to fear.

The quote is clipped from here.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110727/NATION/107270390/1020/Norway-P
M--Attacks-response-to-be-%E2%80%98more-democracy%E2%80%99

I was gonna add a link to a well written editoral regarding just how fast the backpedal of american rightwingnuts was, all the while cowardly evading their own culpability - but you know what ?
In respect to Stoltenberg, and taking from his example, eff em, why spend the effort when it's put to better use helping others.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:03 PM

Awesome.

I heard someone ask, "If that had happened here, do you think they'd be profiling blonde white men at the airports?"

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